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Celebrity Big Brother 2006

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:27 / 25.01.06
Have to say, tonight's show does seem geared towards showing all his bad bits.

That said, it would be hard for them to skew it the other way... and I reckon a large proportion of the votes against him tonight will be down to the fight- and no amount of editing could have made him look good in THAT.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
19:32 / 25.01.06
Have to say, tonight's show does seem geared towards showing all his bad bits.

True, and throughout the series I can't remember seeing any of his good bits. Has there been any?
 
 
Ganesh
19:36 / 25.01.06
Well perceived alpha status, I don't think it's actually possible to gain any control or power when you're being ordered around by a group of producers. The only power you have is over yourself and either going along with the games or having a bad time and not leaving (as invariably happens with the majority of 'alphas') basically equates with having no power at all. The only people who have truly been alpha have been those who chose to quit- Sandy, Germaine and the lawyer-in-training whose name I can't quite catch hold of.

Obviously one's control over one's surroundings is - in any situation - going to be limited by other power structures. I'm not sure that opting out of those power structures necessarily bestows 'alpha' status, though. Not in the sense I'm using the term, anyway. Self-possessed or self-rationalising enough to turn their back on the game, yes; 'alpha', no.
 
 
Ganesh
19:37 / 25.01.06
Politician smile ahoy!

Suck up the hostility, Georgie Boy...
 
 
Fist Fun
19:38 / 25.01.06
As George steps out to a baying crowd someone can clearly be heard shouting "wanker". Amusing.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:45 / 25.01.06
pw- yeah, I'm wracking my brains for something to back that up...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:47 / 25.01.06
Be nastier to him for christ's sake!
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
19:51 / 25.01.06
It's a fucking tragedy that he's probably done a lot of damagae to the Respect Party and its cause. Aleister Campbell couldn't have planned it better.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:52 / 25.01.06
To be honest, even though I hate the cunt, I'm finding this a little hard to watch.

I'm such a wuss.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
19:55 / 25.01.06
But you're an alpha wuss, Stoatie.
 
 
Ganesh
19:56 / 25.01.06
To be honest, even though I hate the cunt, I'm finding this a little hard to watch.

Oh, come on. His iron-clad resistance to self-doubt will be fuelled by booing.

His tendency to 'stick up' for the poor, defenceless seven-foot multimillionaire is touching.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:57 / 25.01.06
I'm finding it hard because Davina's being far too nice to him.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:59 / 25.01.06
Bear in mind I found it hard to watch the look on Ceaucescu's face when he came out on the balcony to the boos of his righteously pissed-off subjects, even though I was glad they killed him.

Watching people in distress just doesn't float my boat, no matter who they are.

I'm GLAD he got shit... I just didn't really enjoy watching it.

Wuss, see?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:00 / 25.01.06
I don't think the definition of alpha does fit anyone in this particular series of CBB. No one has really ultimately deferred to anyone.
 
 
Ganesh
20:03 / 25.01.06
I'm finding it hard because Davina's being far too nice to him.

The post-eviction interview is never what one wants it to be, though, is it? Particularly with the cuntier evictees, who are usually cunts because they've successfully eliminated any tendency toward self-reflection. Even if Davina had eschewed questioning and simply beat Georgie around the creamily bewhiskered fizzog with a baseball bat (with a bi-i-ig nail in it), it would've been too nice.
 
 
Ganesh
20:08 / 25.01.06
I don't think the definition of alpha does fit anyone in this particular series of CBB. No one has really ultimately deferred to anyone.

I don't agree. The 'arrange yourselves in order of fame' thing was one exercise in deference. The selecting of Georgie as 'most intelligent' was arguably another. The fact that there's been more than token involvement of over-40s in this year's CBB allowed an age hierarchy to develop.

The fact that no hierarchy of deference has been observed all the time by everyone doesn't mean that no one has deferred to anyone. It's just been more complex than having a single, consistent 'alpha' who's deferred to by everybody.
 
 
Smoothly
20:15 / 25.01.06
What about that then, Figroll? You psychic or what?

I thought Davina was pretty solid, relatively speaking. She deflated the 'reaching a larger audience' justification ('But what if all the people you reach hate you?'), but it was the montage of press cuts that really seemed to frighten him. I know he tends to look rheumy eyed anyway, but he looked on the verge of tears.

It was all far more satisfying than I anticipated.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:16 / 25.01.06
Can I please retract my comments about Ceaucescu?

McCririck's just drawn the comparison on CBBBM. It's now tainted, and covered with poo.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:38 / 25.01.06
The 'arrange yourselves in order of fame' thing was one exercise in deference.

But no one deferred to anyone. There was an argument and then someone simply stood on the number one spot. The concession required for deference wasn't present.

The selecting of Georgie as 'most intelligent' was arguably another.

Arguably so but very limited. I think you have to dominate to gain the position of alpha and he didn't quite happen.

The fact that there's been more than token involvement of over-40s in this year's CBB allowed an age hierarchy to develop.

I haven't really seen it in that way. A division between age groups certainly but there was only a hierachical fight between the older members of the group. The younger members all seemed to take an active decision to step away from the tension. They formed into cliques certainly but having watched the live footage I'm not certain that any hierachy formed at all.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:44 / 25.01.06
E4 live feed (and, apparently, the online one) just cut due to "unforeseen circumstances"- eviction happening now, I reckon.
 
 
Ganesh
20:55 / 25.01.06
But no one deferred to anyone. There was an argument and then someone simply stood on the number one spot. The concession required for deference wasn't present.

I don't agree. Among the UK housemates, there was a deferring to the older members (Barrymore, Galloway, Burns). There was also an argument over whether 'UK famous' ought to defer to 'US famous'.

That exercise was an explicit illustration of one particular hierarchy of deference within the House, related to fame. Following the task, there was much discussion, particularly around the subject of Barrymore and Galloway - both of whom were then seen (among UK housemates, anyway) as being 'most famous').

Interestingly, the fame hierarchy mapped pretty closely onto the age hierarchy (the two Americans excepted). At that point, the younger, 'less famous' House members voluntarily arranged themselves at the foot of the scale, deferring to the others. As I say, I think these two coincident hierarchies did 'set' a pecking order of sorts, albeit a shifting one.

Arguably so but very limited. I think you have to dominate to gain the position of alpha and he didn't quite happen.

You can dominate indirectly, as well as overtly. From the moment he entered the House, Galloway positioned himself in a (if not the) dominant role, by taking the lead in tasks. I think his selection - twice - as most intelligent, articulate housemate reflected this.

I haven't really seen it in that way. A division between age groups certainly but there was only a hierachical fight between the older members of the group. The younger members all seemed to take an active decision to step away from the tension.

Sure. And, in stepping away from the tension, they've effectively deferred to the older members, allowing them to take a lead.

They formed into cliques certainly but having watched the live footage I'm not certain that any hierachy formed at all.

I think a number of hierarchies formed, but the nature of the personalities involved means they've been unstable and often conflicting. I suspect the inclusion of powerful males who, by dint of their sexuality, don't fit easily into traditional alpha male roles has contributed to this instability.
 
 
Ganesh
21:08 / 25.01.06
Dennis out!
 
 
Ganesh
21:09 / 25.01.06
In your own time, Dennis...
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
21:09 / 25.01.06
He's taking his time though.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:11 / 25.01.06
You would, though, wouldn't you?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
21:15 / 25.01.06
You would, though, wouldn't you?

Yeah. As a ditherer, I'd have probably taken a lot longer. Also, I've got to admit, that was a pretty cool exit.
 
 
Ganesh
21:19 / 25.01.06
Preston "wants to be Robin Williams", apparently. Must admit I didn't spot that particular influence...
 
 
Ganesh
21:25 / 25.01.06
"Some people think [George] is a bigamist..."

?

What word is Dennis trying to say? Does he mean 'bigot'?
 
 
Olulabelle
21:40 / 25.01.06
Hmmm...Well I finally join this thread. Better late than never.

The whole 'making allowances for Dennis' thing from George, both in the house (during Traceygate) and in his eviction interview was pretty unpleasant.

Perhaps Dennis meant bollocking bastard.

Can Tracey please not win?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:41 / 25.01.06
You know that whole thing I was saying about Dennis being alright for a while?

I was clearly deluded.

The man's a prize wanker. I've just voted for Traci to win, on the grounds that Chantelle's probably got enough votes already. Pete's a cunt, Maggot's too much like me, Michael traumatised the 80s with his TV shows, Preston's... actually, Preston would be my third choice. There's something about him I find intensely annoying, but his heart seems to be in the right place.

It's gonna be Michael or Chantelle, though, isn't it, no matter what we do. And fair play to Michael- if he manages not to fuck up yet again, his finest hour in that fight will have been a thing worth winning for.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:43 / 25.01.06
Oh Lula, what's wrong with Traci? Traci's ace!
 
 
Ganesh
21:53 / 25.01.06
Oh Lula, what's wrong with Traci?

Her giggle.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:04 / 25.01.06
You, sir, have no soul.

Crossposted from the DS fora (curse you, Ganesh- and bear in mind there'd usually be a lot more swearing)- my opinion on Dennis:

I disliked him to start with, for his ceaseless priapism. Then I began to warm to him. The whole "getting cigs for everyone else from Jim'll" almost made me love him, a bit.

Then in the fight he became a nob.

I hoped that was just built-up tension coming out in a soon-to-be-regretted outburst.

Then I saw his interview after eviction.

What an utter penis.

That is all.
 
 
Ganesh
22:25 / 25.01.06
It wasn't the greatest of interviews, was it? I mean, I didn't expect Dennis to take off cap and/or glasses, but he was even stonier than I thought he'd be. The whole 'Madonna was the same as every other woman I've slept with' schtick and the denial that he'd been in any way attracted to anyone in the House ever no way nuh-uh was just annoying, really.

Waste of money, Endemol.
 
 
pornotaxi
08:23 / 26.01.06
In a break from the usual eviction debrief protocol - neither Goerge nor Dennis were asked who they wanted to win. Seems likely that both would have endorsed Pete. Do the public really need such endless massaging in order to sell the Kandyfloss dream?
 
  

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