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Marvel's 'Civil War'.

 
  

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Regrettable Juvenilia
07:28 / 01.03.06
Calm yourself.

Jack, has it been confirmed that that's the way the split is going, with Tony on the "unmask and register" side and Captain America on the "don't" side?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
07:32 / 01.03.06
Well, it hasn't been confirmed, but Cap's my favorite character. Plus little things like the Spidey costume which should last about one crossover being on Tony's side.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
07:36 / 01.03.06
Speaking of that cover, I have no clue who's standing on Cap's side. The one dude kinda looks like Gorgon.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:13 / 01.03.06
It's three of the Young Avengers.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
08:37 / 01.03.06
I've always been a big Marvel fan, but I didn't even know those guys were in continuity. I thought they were like that the Spider-Girl series a few years back, and were in the future. To the Wiki!
 
 
Professor Silly
05:40 / 03.03.06
(the new spider-man costume is mostly a thin super-kevlar material, so you can still see muscle forms)

sounds to me like Tony's going to have Peter do what comes natural to a spider: catching bugs. I think Spider-Man will be used to hunt and capture renegade heroes.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
13:02 / 04.03.06
The YA are very much in continuity. And so far they seem to each have really tight ties to various corners of the Marvel Universe. However, the schtick so far is that they tend to have misleading ties to the Marvel Universe.

They were gathered together by "Iron Lad" (who was actually a younger Knag, playing superhero after Kan gtied to accelerate his transformation into Kang) who dug up the Vision's inert body and recovered the Vison's records of super-powered youth that had some connection to the Avengers. And then Hijynx ensue.

In regards to the misdirection? There's a character who when introduced was called "Hulkling" and was portrayed as some sort of mini Hulk... however, while super-strong, he's actually a shape-shifter and appears, in fact, to be some sort of Kree-Skrull crossbreed. His boyfriend was introduced as the "Asgardian" but his powers are actually Dr. Strange Style magic and not Asgard-based. (And to further complicate matters, the magician "Wiccan" -formerly Asgardian- just met the team's new member who is the same age as him, looks almost exaclty like him, has white hair and super-speed powers. Man it would be awesome if they were Wanda and Pietro's love children :P)

And to make this on topic. The Avengers have tried to shut them down several times, up to an including outing them to their parents/guardians and thay've thumbed their nose at the Avengers each time... and now the re-activated Vision has joined. And during Civil War the book is going on hiatus and a new book "Runaways/Young Avengers" will be running.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
13:07 / 04.03.06
Thanks for the young Avengers info. Why did I not think them in continuity? Is it that interaction with the rest of the Marvel Universe only happened in the Young Avengers books? Or did I miss them guest appearing in other Marvel books?
 
 
Triplets
18:12 / 04.03.06
However, the schtick so far is that they tend to have misleading ties to the Marvel Universe.

I know it's mad!comics! but isn't that just, frankly, contrived writing?

THINGS ARE NOT WHAT YOU THOUGHT THEY WERE ELEVEN EXCLAMATION POINT
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:09 / 04.03.06
The Avengers have tried to shut them down several times, up to an including outing them to their parents/guardians and thay've thumbed their nose at the Avengers each time... and now the re-activated Vision has joined.

Isn't that a bit Young Justice/Red Tornado?
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
22:42 / 04.03.06
My thought at first, however while the Vision has his memories, his neural network is now modeled on Iron Lad's (aka 16 yr-old Kang) instead of Simon Williams/wonder Man or the other two or three people he's had as a mental template. In other words, he's a 16-yr old, mentally.
 
 
John Octave
18:36 / 09.03.06
Marvel lays it on pretty thick with their Civil War "trailer"

"An age comes to an end"? Oh noes!

The trade dress is awfully "Let's take this very seriously, guys," isn't it?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
18:58 / 09.03.06
Hey, what's the Watcher doing in that preview? Weird. Here's the
Illuminati preview.
I guess Tony tries to organize all the heroes after the Kree Skrull war from years back.
 
 
Mario
20:44 / 09.03.06
Am I the only one who got a SERIOUS Kingdom Come vibe from the trailer?
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
21:32 / 09.03.06
An Age Will Come To An End...
Until Joe Quesada Decides It Was Better The Way It Was.
 
 
Aertho
00:04 / 10.03.06
Am I the only one who got a SERIOUS Kingdom Come vibe from the trailer?

So you think it'll end with Cap knocking up Thor?
 
 
Mario
00:09 / 10.03.06
Possibly. He IS due back during this...
 
 
Jack Denfeld
19:33 / 23.03.06
Here's a review of the first two scripts. Kinda spoilery, but I think we figured most of the stuff out anyway.
CivilWar
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
22:53 / 23.03.06
..Until Joe Quesada Decides It Was Better The Way It Was.

Well, don't know about Joe, but J. Michael Straczynski* obviously thinks the new Spiderman outfit was Better The Way It Was- the v.20 upgrade can now change into the old Spiderman outfit (with nanomaterials and suchforth) so Spidey can have all the awesome Irontech powers and still look the same (or even the hella awesome black spidey outift). Oh, and it's under Peter's clothes so all he has to do is think about it and he changes into Spiderman. And those metal arms? They're called 'Waldoes'. Dunno why, but if my role-model Tony Stark says it, it's gospel.

*I only had to look the spelling up nine times! Yay me!
 
 
matthew.
02:42 / 24.03.06
the v.20 upgrade can now change into the old Spiderman outfit (with nanomaterials and suchforth) so Spidey can have all the awesome Irontech powers and still look the same (or even the hella awesome black spidey outift). Oh, and it's under Peter's clothes so all he has to do is think about it and he changes into Spiderman.

*sniff* What's that? Is that - do I smell? - Yes it is. Yes, it's lazy writing, ladies and gentlemen, lazy writing.

Why not have a time travel button on the suit, too? Or, a "Access Uncle Ben For Advice" button? This new suit has a very definite odour of deus ex machina, if you ask me. It'll be the solution to every problem:
"Why, I'll just re-wire the suit to leap off my skin and beat the bad guys while I go and lift rubble off children!"
 
 
matthew.
02:45 / 24.03.06
On a more serious note, I am taking a bit of a geek-boy pride in seeing Reed Richards take a more aggressive role in the universe, as opposed to just being the guy they always ask science questions of. Seeing Reed in a powerful role reminds me of issue 4 of Fantastic Four: 1234, in which Reed simply grew more brain matter (a trick lifted from Moore's run on Swamp Thing, if I remember correctly) and controled reality.
 
 
smurph
03:34 / 24.03.06
And those metal arms? They're called 'Waldoes'. Dunno why, but if my role-model Tony Stark says it, it's gospel.

I believe Waldoes is a common nickname for remote controlled mechanical arms. The name originated in Robert Heinlein's 1940 science fiction story Waldo.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:03 / 24.03.06
Don't worry, the mechanical Spider-suit will be gone in 4 months when Peter takes a stance against Tony in the CW and pisses Tony off. Tony will whine, take his toys/suit and go home.
 
 
Robert B
14:25 / 24.03.06
I must be a fanboy b/c I only read the new Amazing Spider-Man for the new suit. I expected to hate it but was pleasently surprised. It actually looked pretty cool. Still a little unsure about the whole Civil War and Illuminati stuff. Seems a little contrived if you ask me (it's a crossover so I didn't expect it not to be but this seems absurdly contrived). After this one I am officially boycotting crossovers from both companies unless it's a joint project by Marvel and DC called Infinite War or Civil Crisis.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:19 / 24.03.06
Infinite Identities Secret Civil War of House of Crises, guest-starring the Beyonder!
 
 
Robert B
18:54 / 24.03.06
Infinite Identities Secret Civil War of House of Crises, guest-starring the Beyonder!

The Beyonder finds out that he has wiped his own mind to make him forget the horror that was Secret Wars 2. He gets mad and punches a wall only to find that it changes reality and he is stuck in a world where the Beyonder Registration Act has come into effect and now everyone is a Beyonder. Which side will you choose? Which Earth will you inhabit? Who will the Beyonder marry? Will he punch a wall and wind up in the world of Archie and Jughead? Which of the 500 covers of Issue 1 will you purchase? Find out that a Beyonder can truly cry this summer from DC/Marvel.

Or something along those lines...
 
 
FinderWolf
19:59 / 24.03.06
love the crying bit...
 
 
Jack Denfeld
03:26 / 25.03.06
C'mon y'all, it's gonna be good! Millar's gonna knock this baby outta the park!
 
 
doctorbeck
13:41 / 27.03.06
Or, a "Access Uncle Ben For Advice" button

uuugh, i just read an otherwise fairly good JSA trade where kid-hourman has this, it's go to be the most godawful superpower ever, plus, you know there is only an hour of real time he can have with his soon to be dead dad so he has to use it carefully, and he can sometimes see exactly an hour into the future and has superstrength that lasts for an hour a day and, forget it, it's the hour with his soon to be dead dad that makes me want to kick someones head in
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:54 / 27.03.06
I just wonder, in what's presumably going to be the final showdown between Captain America and Iron Man in this, who's going to be doing the giving, and who the recieving?

Given the technology involved, I guess I'm hoping that Mark Millar will (no pun intended) be rooting for Rogers.
 
 
matsya
03:13 / 28.03.06
Does anyone smell Watchmen?
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
14:30 / 28.03.06
I thought that was Twilight of the Super Heroes in the air, actually. Not that that's necessarily bad.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
21:56 / 29.03.06
I gotta tell y'all. Killuminati was pretty damn great this week. Bendis and Maleev answering some of the MU's tough questions. I think in the same way 8C takes advantage of the DCU's unique strength, if this is any indication, Civil War can do the same for the MU. Tony Stark ("A fitting week for his return to prominence," says FishScale) basically predicts exactly how and why Civil War is going to play out and why the SRA is the right thing to do. Reed is down. Doc Strange isn't. And Namor is a whole nother thing.

Reed: Well, I have to go home and fight with my wife about this for the rest of my life.

That classic Bendis snap.
 
 
Doc Checkmate
22:22 / 29.03.06
Be great if, after the dust cleared, Spider-Man was into science again. It smacks of wasted potential for the kid who invented his web-fluid and web shooters in his mid-teens to be snapping news photos and teaching high school science (not that teaching and photojournalism aren't admirable professions). I can't help seeing adult Spidey as a kind of sad, has-been figure-- the promising kid who could have gone on to do incredible things, but didn't (superheroics aside). Man up, Peter. You've got a new scientist sugardaddy to buy you microscopes and slide rules.
 
 
FinderWolf
23:24 / 29.03.06
I like the idea of the Illumanti, but Bendis, as much as I like him, often falls into the trap of writing every character with patented Bendis-y dialogue (i.e. Namor saying "I'm fine with it." That's very much not Namor's speech pattern). I have to agree on some level with the people who say he doesn't really nail the voices of the Avengers. But, I still read New Avengers and I overall enjoy the book... I like the ideas of NA and there are some great or just plain fun moments.

The bit I liked most was the various arguments over the whole 'hey, let's throw the Hulk out in a planet out in space' discussion -- even I felt Bendis doesn't really get the voices of the characters very well sometimes, the pros and cons of the issue were interesting.
 
  

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