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Marvel's 'Civil War'.

 
  

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FinderWolf
13:32 / 31.01.06
Also, at the end of the first New Avengers arc, where the NA uncovered corruption within SHIELD and resolved to get to the bottom of it (so they actually had something to avenge), at the end of an Illumanti meeting, Tony Stark was asked by the group if there was any big news he should tell the group about, and Tony lied and said "Nope." So there's one time he kept a big secret from the group.

It is bizarre how this really mirrors (or seems to at this point, from what Marvel's said about it) Identity Crisis...a big dark secret someone kept in a super-hero group is going to come back to haunt them! Then again, the same idea was used in 'Gwen Stacy had sex with Norman Osborn' and 'X-Men: Deadly Genesis.' And the latter two plots didn't have 'thus causing the heroes to argue and fight!' that IC and Civil War will have.
 
 
Slim
13:40 / 31.01.06
I think this storyline has potential. I like the idea of heroes being at odds with each other. Spidey and the FF being at each other's throats and the X-Men and Avengers at odds? Sounds cool to me. It'll probably get fucked up but hey, it's got a shot.

I'm also curious as to how Captain America will be portrayed. Will he lead the charge for civil rights or be a douchebag?
 
 
doyoufeelloved
14:14 / 31.01.06
I'm deeply amused that Marvel have so little shame as to poach the cover artist from a very similar DC story. I mean, come on, there aren't enough talented artists out there to give the book a unique identity? You *had* to have the one who did IDENTITY CRISIS? I smell bandwagon all over this one. On a purely fanboy level I guess it'll be vaguely fun to watch the Marvel characters go through these motions, but overall, it just sounds hilariously similar to the direction of the DCU.

Of course, if we get a Marvel Earth-2 out of the whole thing, then that'd be hilarious.
 
 
Aertho
14:40 / 31.01.06
Isn't that exactly what House of M did? It used Scarlet Wanda's crazy shenanigans to get there, but it took the "status quo" back to "when times were simpler".
 
 
Jack Denfeld
16:41 / 31.01.06
Captain America's not a douschebag in 616.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:20 / 31.01.06
Yeah, but his behaviour in 617 was terrible, surely?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
19:16 / 31.01.06
I smell bandwagon all over this one.

So who gets bent over by Paste-Pot Pete in the chilling cliffhanger?
 
 
diz
00:49 / 01.02.06
In the Avengers issue they question Iron Man about his new Avengers, with Namor being a huge dick about it (Namor's always coolest when he's being a dick though), and they also mention to Iron Man that they had previously discussed putting a superhero team out in Chicago or L.A., like they were Superhero team managers or something.

I remember reading that, now that you mention it. It pissed me off to no end.

I mean, Chicago or L.A.? Especially Chicago. It's such a dumb Bendis thing to do: make a big show about how you have a broader perspective and how you know there's a whole world outside of New York, but of course continuing to completely ignore the world outside of the US. I mean, why Chicago and not, say, Rio, or Johannesburg, or Singapore, or something?

Stupid, stupid.
 
 
Aertho
01:01 / 01.02.06
Was anything mentioned about X-Corp International? Or was it only "Miller Lite" superteams?
 
 
FinderWolf
12:51 / 01.02.06
Nope, they haven't mentioned X-Corp. as of yet. No one really has in a while, I don't think...maybe one brief mention in the new Peter David X-Factor book (as in "Siryn used to work with X-Corp")...?
 
 
Mario
14:56 / 01.02.06
I think we can safely say, given that there's barely enough mutants left to fill an office, that X-Corp is no more.
 
 
rabideyemovement
16:26 / 01.02.06
X-Corp closed its doors in the first post-House M Decimation story, I can't remember what book that was. I thnik it may have been a one-shot.
 
 
Quimper
18:35 / 01.02.06
X-Corp Paris (the first one we were introduced to in NXM) blowed up real good in the Day After one-shot. Courtesy of human terrorists, a van and a lot of boomstuff.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
23:34 / 01.02.06
In reference to The Day After, I feel I must correct your errant spelling. It's one-shit.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:58 / 09.02.06
Looking at the Mike Turner cover, I notice that one side seems to have more powerful, more prominent heroes than the other. Iron Man and the FF on one side...with Yellowjacket (the inclusion of Yellowjacket does spark my interest, have to admit). The other side has Wolverine, Namor, She-Hulk, Daredevil, Spidey, and maybe someone else...Cap is torn in the middle. So will it be the liberals vs. the democrats - those who feel heroes should give up their rights/IDs for the sake of the new registration act (read: for the sake of 'national security') and those who feel that's a load of baloney?
 
 
FinderWolf
15:32 / 09.02.06
Newsarama also makes a big deal of 'whose blood is that on Cap's shield?' It could be metaphorical or it could mean A MAJOR MARVEL DEATH WHICH WILL NOT BE NEARLY AS DRAMATIC OR IMPORTANT A CHARACTER AS YOU MIGHT LIKE!!!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:25 / 09.02.06
Is it just me or does it seem like Marvel is just not good at playing this game.
 
 
Quimper
16:39 / 09.02.06
I totally agree. DC has always been about gods. These new-fangled "all things come to a head" story-type fits there better. The energy of Olympus crackling into one galaxy-shaking explosive event.

Marvel's brand strength lies in the Everyman. So a Civil War in the MU doesn't really compare to a Civil War in the DCU. It just doesn't pack as much punch.

Marvel should stick to street level stories. If they want their own Infinite Crisis, it should be a murder mystery or a cloak-and-dagger game of intrigue. A realistic story that you could tell with humans just as easily as superheroes. Maybe Civil War is just that. But I doubt it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:37 / 09.02.06
Is it just me or does it seem like Marvel is just not good at playing this game.

Yes, they should have had Cap shedding a single tear to show his DIGNITY.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
01:26 / 10.02.06
I actually didn't mean "Why can't this be like Identity Crisis which I was so happy with" but rather that the 616 universe wasn't really built to sustain this kind of narrative.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:29 / 10.02.06
Ah, apologies, I must have had you confused with someone who's obsessed with how much better DC is than Marvel currently and how Joe Quesada ran over your cat.

Having said that, I agree. I miss those brief glory days when everyone seemed to have decided that these kind of crossovers - sorry, "events" - were a terrible idea. The acceptance of the format whereby you have one central miniseries and a bunch of tie-ins - that may or may not a) rely on you having read the main miniseries, or b) contradict it - is a depressing move on the part of both DC and Marvel.
 
 
_Boboss
09:58 / 10.02.06
i'm not sure - i get the feeling there's a deal of market-sense influencing these decisions. the comic buyer, distinct from and probably older than your new onscreen reader, needs to be maximised as a potential source of outlay, needs to be convinced that he wants to dispose of his (or hir!!) extra 1.80, to get that nightwing tie-in cos you really really want to see chemo flatten bloodsville or whatever it's called. i think it seems sensible that the companies are centralising these crossovers into overarching stories and, imo, doing an OK job of keeping the books solid as readables in their own right.

given the issues surrounding fanboy apprehension of continuity and the like, i think i might well have chosen to have a book or series or series of books that lay-out in certain terms what the central narrative to the huge and complex superhero universes currently is. no complaints about who should be where dong what when ('why isn't spidey wearing his new costume when he guest stars in black panther this month?') because everyone knows - they just have to look at i.e. buy or download the central book to see what's on everyone's minds.

writers may be a bit narked by this, it might stop them from taking books off into their own directions ('but why not let each book have its own miniverse?' is an alternative solution to the messiness and tedious arguments that the set-up of a superhero universe will inevitably deliver), but it might also force writers to raise their game, write stories more aware of their own ramifications - not go off on one, basically.
 
 
Michelle Gale
10:57 / 10.02.06
Having said that, I agree. I miss those brief glory days when everyone seemed to have decided that these kind of crossovers - sorry, "events" - were a terrible idea. The acceptance of the format whereby you have one central miniseries and a bunch of tie-ins - that may or may not a) rely on you having read the main miniseries, or b) contradict it - is a depressing move on the part of both DC and Marvel.

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I honestly dont get it, these big massive events (with oh so lasting repercussions), are just really boring and cynical. It could be argued that they were responsible for readers losing interest in Marvel around the mid-ninties (I know little of DC) and subsequently their bankruptsy. The naughties distancing from this cynical production line mentality and having faith in creators to do their thing, seemed to have done the trick and make Marvel sell comics again.

Now Marvel is making money and the marketing department seems to be pretty much in control of things, which means we get "the Other": spider totem wtf? oh its mystical an deep yeah? its just the mid 90's De Matisse spider-man:

"Am i the man or am I...THE SPIDER!!!".

"Iron Spider" or whatever, (more merchandising opportunities!1!!1), didnt they do the exact same thing in Web of spider man 100?, again in the platinum age of comics that was the mid 90's.

These Yearly "events" are thoughrally pointless, House of M served no purpose other than to make the Marvel universe a deal less interesting. And cival war is just meh.

Dont get me I like seeing spiderman punched in the face by the Hulk as much as the next guy but: Why cant they just concentrate on releasing good comics written by the best possible people rather than micromanageing their "properties" which look after themselves if their releaseing good quality stuff anyway.

Maybe comics now arnt a thing in and of themselves, but are just a means to providing stable intellectual properties (with a ready made fanbase) to other media, where the real money is.

:::::End Rant:::::::::
 
 
_Boboss
11:10 / 10.02.06
'Maybe comics now arnt a thing in and of themselves, but are just a means to providing stable intellectual properties (with a ready made fanbase) to other media, where the real money is.'

this has been the case for some time now.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:01 / 20.02.06
From NYT:

Embedded reporters on the front lines of war. The search for weapons of mass destruction. An attack on civil liberties. Sounds like a job for ... Spider-Man?

America's current real-world political issues will wind themselves into the lives of the heroes of Marvel Comics in "Civil War," a seven-issue limited monthly series set to begin in May. In the series, the beliefs of many well-known Marvel characters, including Captain America, the Fantastic Four, Iron Man and Spider-Man, will be challenged.

Marvel will also publish a related series, beginning in June, that is to appear biweekly. Plans for that series, "Civil War: Front Line," are to be announced by the company on Saturday at the first New York Comic-Con, a consumer and business trade show.

Joe Quesada, editor in chief of the Marvel Comics division of Marvel Entertainment, said the idea for "Civil War" came out of one of the company's creative summits, which are used to assess the state of the heroes. "Stagnation means death," said Mr. Quesada, adding that Stan Lee, the creator of many of Marvel's characters, often advised piling problems onto heroes to keep them fresh.

"Civil War" provides problems in spades. The story opens with a reckless fight between a novice group of heroes (filming a reality television show) and a cadre of villains. The battle becomes quite literally explosive, killing some of the superheroes and many innocent bystanders. That crystallizes a government movement to register all super-powered beings as living weapons of mass destruction. The subsequent Registration Act will divide the heroes into two camps, one led by Captain America, the other by Iron Man. Along the way, Marvel will unveil its version of Guantánamo Bay, enemy combatants, embedded reporters and more. The question at the heart of the series is a fundamental one: "Would you give up your civil liberties to feel safer in the world?"

Comic books have a long history of reacting to or depicting the news. In 1940's comics, Hitler and Nazi soldiers often battled Marvel's Captain America and DC's Superman and the Justice Society. More recently, superheroes have wrestled with poverty in Africa and reacted to losses on Sept. 11. A forthcoming graphic novel will pit Batman against an Al Qaeda threat.

As deeply entangled in current United States politics as the new Marvel series seem, "Civil War" and the accompanying "Front Line" series won't be written by Americans. Mark Millar, a popular comics writer who is Scottish and lives in Glasgow is writing "Civil War"; Paul Jenkins, a British writer who lives in Atlanta and had a lengthy run on "Spider-Man," is writing "Front Line."

In a telephone interview, Mr. Millar said the nature of the story — a crossover event with plot strands weaving through multiple Marvel titles — meant a lot of coordination with other writers to make sure events and characters lined up properly.

Mr. Millar said the story would cause a "seismic shift" in the Marvel heroes: "Before the civil war, the Marvel universe was a certain way. After the civil war, the heroes are employed by the government." But don't think that gives away the ending. "Some people refuse to do it," he said, "and those guys are performing an illegal act by doing so."

Mr. Jenkins's "Civil War: Front Line" will explore the ramifications of the events in the main series and more. "I have absolute carte blanche to take on the political landscape as it exists in America and all around the world," he said in a telephone interview.

Mr. Jenkins will be telling some of his stories through the viewpoint of two embedded reporters. One works for a left-leaning newspaper, The Alternative. The other works for The Daily Bugle, whose fictional publisher, J. Jonah Jameson, Mr. Jenkins likened to Rupert Murdoch. Jameson has an agenda and pushes his embedded reporter to meet it.

Mr. Jenkins will be doing some embedding of his own, using, in part, actual war letters and diaries, including "The Diary of Anne Frank" to tell the parallel story of a frightened young mutant girl in Manhattan, and the World War I poem, "Futility," by Wilfred Owen, to chronicle the last moments of a hero's life.

Are these stories getting too heavy for comics readers looking to shut out real-world tensions?

Not really, say the Marvel writers. "Civil War," Mr. Millar said, will work on two levels: "At the core, it's one half of the Marvel heroes vs. the other half." But, he added: "The political allegory is only for those that are politically aware. Kids are going to read it and just see a big superhero fight."


Sounds interesting.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:26 / 20.02.06
It's a fantastic opportunity, which I feel confident that Mark Millar will handle much in the manner of a stevedore performing brain surgery.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:29 / 20.02.06
Pretty much what I was thinking, only much less eloquently.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:09 / 20.02.06
Newsarama's coverage of this is particularly great, because after:

Along the way, Marvel will unveil its version of Guantánamo Bay, enemy combatants, embedded reporters and more.

And...

Mr. Jenkins will be doing some embedding of his own, using, in part, actual war letters and diaries, including "The Diary of Anne Frank" to tell the parallel story of a frightened young mutant girl in Manhattan, and the World War I poem, "Futility," by Wilfred Owen, to chronicle the last moments of a hero's life.

They say:

But, Millar said, the miniseries won’t be that heavy-handed when it comes to real-world connections...

Oh it will so deft, so light and delicate and deft!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:13 / 20.02.06


Did anyone order some... PO-FACE?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:19 / 20.02.06
Oh man this really is going to be quite something. Too bad he wasn't doing THIS Fumetti Style.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:19 / 20.02.06
"Still mourn the random deaths of innocents."

Since when? And why are you wearing Michael Caine's glasses in the second panel?
 
 
FinderWolf
16:26 / 20.02.06
>> (filming a reality television show)

even more ugh.

Jenkins' work has been very mediocre and boring for a looooong time.
 
 
Spaniel
16:31 / 20.02.06
That shit goes beyond po-faced and fully into the realms of the utterly ridculous and absurd.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
16:38 / 20.02.06
hang on...isn't that page from Amazing Spider-Man #36, the Straczynski 9/11 issue?
 
 
FinderWolf
17:10 / 20.02.06
yeah, you didn't think that was from Civil War, did you?
 
  

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