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Smoothly
19:50 / 31.08.06
I'm probably going to have a bit more time for this now, so I'll clear up the remaining apps on the database that need a checker.

A couple of questions though:
1) Is there a problem with me sending the current passed apps to Tom?
2) Are we going back to a double-check?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:30 / 31.08.06
We don't have time to double check. Go ahead and send the passed apps.
 
 
Smoothly
22:14 / 31.08.06
Passed apps sent and marked 'sent'.
 
 
petunia
13:30 / 10.09.06
Um. My friend applied around July. He applied with his work email, but pointed out that he would soon be moving jobs so would prefer to use his hotmail account. I PMd one of the checkers about this - to say I could vouch for him etc.

But he still hasn't heard back from anybody. Perhaps an email ended up getting sent to his old work?

And he really, really wants to play!
 
 
Smoothly
16:19 / 10.09.06
PM me his details and I'll see where he's at.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:54 / 17.09.06
Erm guys, how does data protection etc. work with the applications information?
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
06:47 / 18.09.06
Complicated at best really.

Information on individuals needs to be kept private saving those authorised to deal with the data provided. Should any one person request data maintained on them, on file or in any other form, barbelith is required to make that data available to them in a suitable manner. Whether the law requires this to include all of their posts and any non-administrative reference to them on the boards isn't precisely clear to me although I would imagine not as they are publically accessible and originally presented in the way. It will, however, almost definitely refer to all archived threads in which they posted and/or were referenced by another suit and all PMs in which they have been discussed by moderators.

I'll do some more digging to try and clarify.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
08:14 / 18.09.06
Sorry, that was a bit expansive.

Anything in the yahoo group would be considered an annexe to the board. In theory the applications department should have a clearly stated practice on information retention.
 
 
Ticker
13:12 / 18.09.06
Do we have a fast track for recruits we know or many of have meet IRL?
Does having current members for refs offset the free email account issue?
 
 
Tom Coates
22:10 / 18.09.06
The question is whether or not the user is board-trusted I think. That is occasionally we get an old user resurface out of nowhere advocating a strangely familiar refrain. I'd very much rather not have those people suggest users to join the site. If the board member concerned is trusted enough by everyone else on the board though, then sure they should be able to recomment new users. I'd rather they went through the e-mail process though and didn't use free stuff. There are too many loopholes otherwise. In a nutshell - normally new users should go through the whole process, and normally they should have non-free e-mail addresses. However, if a board member of standing (been a member for more than six months, maybe? or has posted fifty times or more and with some regularity) is prepared to vouch for a new user who only has a free e-mail address then maybe that's okay too.
 
 
Seth
00:55 / 19.09.06
If that's the case, Tom, then who should we contact with names?
 
 
HCE
04:47 / 22.09.06
Updates? Who's running things at the moment? I'm trying to recruit somebody bright and sincere from elsewhere. Not somebody I agree with on everything but somebody who fights honorably when it is necessary to fight.
 
 
Bed Head
07:00 / 22.09.06
Good question - who is running things? As in, if fridgemagnet isn’t around any more, then who should I contact if I want to help with the checking and stuff?
 
 
Olulabelle
07:26 / 22.09.06
I think Nadezhda is the font of all knowledge at the moment.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:59 / 22.09.06
Vincennes, I think. On personal recommendations - I suggest we set up a parallel stream, there - people who have been here a while and have recommendations could either PM Tom directly or PM someone with a bit more time on-board than Tom with the request, which might make more sense as, beyond basic numbers of posts, there are people with a clearer day-to-day idea of who is contributing what to Barbelith.

Second question, then, being what qualifies you to be entitled to a bye into the second round.
 
 
HCE
22:26 / 22.09.06
Note to self: start contributing.
 
 
Seth
12:33 / 23.09.06
Would anyone object if the thread title was changed to B'applications? I think it would be better for all concerned.
 
 
Bed Head
15:19 / 23.09.06
Righto, so either Vincennes, or Nadezhda. Does anyone *other* than fridgemagnet currently have the ability to let people to join the Yahoo group, ie who should any prospective checkers send a pm to? And if you don’t currently need more checkers, could someone just put me on the reserve list, for the next time you do? I’m keen to help, if I can, but if no help is needed, than that’s okay too.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
18:00 / 24.09.06
If you PM me I can sort it out. Sorry I've been doing literally nothing on this front of late - should be better in future, if some more people want to help with checking (think we have about 4 active just now) I will try to get everything going again.
 
 
HCE
23:49 / 09.10.06
How's it all going? Any help needed?
 
 
■
14:58 / 11.10.06
Erm, it isn't, basically for various reasons. Sorry to anyone who is caught in application limbo.
 
 
HCE
17:38 / 11.10.06
Should I tell my candidate to give up, or ask him to keep waiting? Any estimates on when people might get processed again?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:47 / 22.10.06
There are 249 applicants in the gmail account!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:58 / 22.10.06
You know what. It's pretty obvious that we don't have the time for this. Can we shut it down now?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:09 / 22.10.06
Or find another way to do it. I'm ready to go through that list, weed out the ones who are IMHO trolls or lunatics and send the rest over to Tom. It would be inefficient and undemocratic, but it could work. Alternatively, two people could go through the gmail applications, make their own lists of who should go through and forward them to Tom. Anyone on both the lists gets in. Or three people, with a best of three, or similar. I think the problem is the yahoo group and database's complexity rather than anything else.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:42 / 22.10.06
In fact - proposal. I suggest that I and whoever else of the application managers volunteers here - i.e. is still interested in doing the apps process - in, say, the next 24 hours (and who I can vouch for - sorry, I know that's also undemocratic, but... well, but. I can't do very much about it. Tom is more likely to trust me than anyone else on this one, I think) goes through the applications and makes a list, in rich text, of the names and email addresses they think should go through without complication, and the ones they think definitely _shouldn't_. Those lists are submitted to a willing third party (I'm prepared to do it). Any name that is on the lists of ... um... a simple majority of those checkers? - and is not on anyone's to be exluded list gets put in a master list and sent to Tom. We can then work out who's left and what to do with them.

How does that sound?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:44 / 22.10.06
Oh, and I've found Fred's candidate, I think. Fred, can you PM me with the name of the candidate, to confirm? Once done, we can send that directly to Tom - recommendations by members in good standing have traditionally led to an autopass.
 
 
Olulabelle
16:25 / 22.10.06
I think the problem is the yahoo group and database's complexity rather than anything else.

Yes I agree entirely. It's not neccesary to have that level of complication.

If you want we could divvy up the 249 in the gmail account - say I took email numbers one to thirty, someone else took thirty to sixty etc. and do what you are are suggesting Haus, make a list of people who look ok and send them over to you to check - but isn't that what you and I were doing before anyway?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:28 / 22.10.06
Pretty much, yeah - I think the yahoogroup, ultimately, made thngs more complicated in the pursuit of consensus. I'm not sure about the divvying up - I'd rather have more than one person voting on each. At this stage we pretty much know what to look for, right? Academic or work addresses, or verifiable recommendations from members in good standing. I'm thinking of a blitz - sacrificing total security for speed in the first instance...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:23 / 22.10.06
How often are you going to do this?

This is unworkable. Tom fucking let us ban people or close the board to new users permanently and let it die.

Why am I even bothering to say this?
 
 
Char Aina
17:38 / 22.10.06
i dont know.
why are you swearing at tom?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:52 / 22.10.06
Well, I suppose we'll do it as and when possible. I'm seeing this as a way to clear the backlog, in order to stop people from being kept waiting who applied a while ago.

The way this one works, whoever wants to be a part of this process signifies their willingness in the next week, let's say, during which time they also have to create a list of who they think should be given an ID, and who they think shouln't be given an ID. By the end of the week, the lists are sent in - I'd suggest to me, by Private Message. I comb the lists and see which names have been approved by a simple majority of those involved, and have not been specifically vetoed by anyone. Those who satisfy both of those conditions go to Tom to get userIDs. The others we put back in the pond and think about further, using a process yet to be determined.

So, if nobody else submits a list, it would come down to me going through, putting a list together and sending it to Tom. I'm happy to do that, but others who might want there to be more views in the mix - so anyone with access to the yahoo group can run down the last 259 applicants.

This is a lot of work, yes, but for want of a better way of doing it it seems to be a way forward, at least until and while the discussion about the power to ban can be had.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:54 / 22.10.06
I'm swearing at Tom because he's in charge.

We're always clearing a backlog. It's stupid. Guess what: I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:56 / 22.10.06
Also it probably will come down to you because only about two other people give a shit and they only managed to pass two applications in 10 days.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:01 / 22.10.06
Fine. I'll do it, then. I don't have a huge problem with that. In the meantime, maybe it would be worth you starting a new Policy thread, outlining why you feel moderators should be able to ban, connecting that to the problems of the applications queue and PMIng Tom to direct his attention to it. In the meantime, I and anyone from the group who wishes to can have a crack at this backlog; we can parallel-process to address the issue in different ways.
 
  

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