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All-Star Superman

 
  

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Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:46 / 18.09.08
My Take.

Really happy with how that came out.
 
 
SiliconDream
19:48 / 18.09.08
It's interesting you should mention DC One Million. Because while all that talk about turning into gold could be metaphorical, there's also this guy

And we've seen golden Nu-Supes in All-Star as well.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:45 / 18.09.08
Yes, it's pretty clear that A.S.S. is the back story to DC One Million future segment. Chronovore, Superman Squard, Golden Superman, etc. Makes me cry it's such a beautiful Superman epic.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:04 / 18.09.08
Have any of those artists for the All-Star Superman special been announced? Although it won't really be all-star without Quitely.

I love the panel of Lex X-raying the scene to find hiding Clark behind the safe, with infrared cops firing bullets that bounce without us even seeing them-- totally inconsequential from Lex's perspective. It interests me that we don't get the Silver Age-ish "from Clark's perspective" using his powers but when Lex acquires them we get all of that. Lex Luthor as audience stand-in? Really?
 
 
This Sunday
21:50 / 18.09.08
Lex Luthor as audience stand-in? Really?

I should be writing this.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:57 / 18.09.08
(I spoke too soon -- we see super-vision from Clark's PO in #5, but that seems to be the exception)

I should be writing this.

We have been.

You know, speaking of the Golden Superman Prime: love that Morrison has used The Superboy Problem and somehow used it in such a way that there's still dramatic tension (as people said upthread, we see Prime emerge from the lightning door, knew who he was, and still worried about Clark's fate). Imagine if he'd taken over Superman following the Crisis, rather than Byrne (well, the Morrison of today going back in time to replace the Byrne of yesteryear).
 
 
FinderWolf
18:39 / 19.09.08
No artists from that special have been announced yet, if indeed it's still happening (which I hope it is). I only say 'if' because we heard about it months ago in a sentence or two from Didio and haven't heard any mention since, I believe...

This was great. I do admit that I was a little sad at the end that it will take til DC One Million for Supes to return (in this cosmology) and be reunited with Lois.

That panel of Superman in the heart (literally and metaphorically of the Sun), Super-Blacksmith, Super-Scientist, Always Finding A Way, is just... wow. Truly titanic.

I love that apparently, no one had ever reversed the "S" shield symbol into a "2" before. Brilliant.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:12 / 19.09.08
So, what do we think P.R.O.J.E.C.T. 2 is, exactly? A purposefully open-ended ending to convey that somehow Quintum will create the Superman Dynasty? Is it a meta-teaser for a second GM/FQ project? More A.S.S. stories? Am I completely missing something else obvious?
 
 
The Natural Way
21:04 / 19.09.08
It's obviously what you describe. How could it be anything else. This whole book's about Superman's legacy being passed to humanity. That's the point. The '2' reminded me of a movie poster - we're looking at the sequel.
 
 
The Natural Way
21:23 / 19.09.08
Out of interest, can anyone tell me the name - or find a link to - the image the Superman in the Sun page is referencing?
 
 
Mug Chum
21:36 / 19.09.08
Someone (don't remember where) made reference to this mural of Diego Rivera in Detroit (this is the bottom central detail of the mural):



Which I find highly unlikely to be the case. Even if Morrison spoke about Superman as blue-collar, I just don't see him having Rivera as a reference for Superman (or any work, really) or much love for workers' causes to be made into some statement in his works lately.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:39 / 19.09.08
Maybe, though Superman was initially quite left-wing and worker's cause-oriented at the beginning (which later led to a very odd Action Comics story with a dotscreened unionist Superman duplicate showing up...)
 
 
The Natural Way
21:57 / 19.09.08
I can't see that image, but searching google using diego rivera, mural and detroit as terms brings up an image I'm sure isn't the reference. I KNOW what he's referencing, but it's a bit blurry in my mind's eye and I have no idea who drew it.
 
 
simulated stereo
00:02 / 20.09.08
That same question has been bothering me for the past day or so.
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
02:18 / 20.09.08
You know how, in DC: 1.000.000, Superman has been living in the sun for the last fifteen thousand years, to return as Golden Superman? Maybe what we are seeing here is the All-Star continuity version of the start of that exile. Also, whatever "2" might be, probably will be the result of Superman and SuperLois' DNA samples that he gave to Quintum.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:31 / 20.09.08
Mate, not to be rude, but those are hardly revelations. Read the thread you're posting to.
 
 
Automatic
11:36 / 20.09.08


It's not this statue from uh... Batman Returns is it?
 
 
The Natural Way
12:12 / 20.09.08
Mmmm....mmMMMaybeee...
 
 
Triplets
16:09 / 20.09.08
I think, at the end, Quintum is going to be doing something with Superman's DNA.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
04:36 / 21.09.08
Well that statue is referencing something else... I'm in the same boat with this image. It's been tickling the back of my brain since I saw it and went "oh yeah! cool!... umm...."

I feel like it's an image of a Greek god pulling a lever to raise the sun? I might be completely imagining that, but that's the foggy memory I have.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:14 / 22.09.08
I've been looking up images of Hephaestus and Apollo, the first because of the idea of the sun as a forge, the latter because he is the sun god, no luck there. Anyone got any Blake to hand (I'm thinking of that Blakeian figure Dane sees in London/the Invisible College in Invisibles s.1, I'm wondering if it's something similar)?
 
 
■
08:36 / 22.09.08
I was thinking Blake, but suddenly also got a flash that it might be referencing Metropolis. Which would be kind of appropriate in some ways but less so in many more (making the labour kind of futile). It's very Soviet Socialist realism, though, as well. We will nail this eventually.
 
 
Mario
15:02 / 22.09.08
I've found several similar pictures relating to things like unions and Labor Day. But no sign of the originating art piece.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:04 / 22.09.08
Which would be kind of appropriate in some ways but less so in many more (making the labour kind of futile).

Ah, but Superman changes things that don't work into things that work -- myth-patterns or film references both.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:09 / 22.09.08
well, are we being too quick to say that there is a definite classical inspiration for the illustration in question? Jaime, any thoughts here now that your 12 labors are over?

Tony
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:56 / 22.09.08
Great, thanks Superman. Now I keep hearing the Mary Tyler Moore theme song with Superman imposed over top. He can turn the world on with his smile...
 
 
The Natural Way
20:02 / 22.09.08
There very definitely is an image from which the Superman pic is sourced, whether it's classical or not I have no idea.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:21 / 22.09.08
I like that in a way, Lex achieves his dream from the first issue -- he won't be getting any older, either.

And, well, Superman manages to turn a murder attempt into a tool for saving the day. Lex can't win, he can't ever win.
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
01:19 / 23.09.08
Mate, not to be rude, but those are hardly revelations. Read the thread you're posting to.

Ha, yes, I guess they aren't; sorry.

I just wanted to fit the Golden Superman from #6 in A*S continuity; and distinguish him from the Golden Superman of the regular DCU continuity.

And to say that, to actually make a "Superman 2", you also need DNA from Lois; using only Superman's DNA you just get deffective bizarros; as established by the many times that he's been cloned.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:42 / 23.09.08
...which they've got, dude. Midst of Number Ten (O Heavenly Book Containing the Cosmos), Big Daddy Clark gives Leo Quintum (HA! Stick that in your Prometheus-pipe and burn it!) fire/knowledge like golden apples from the sun -- his genetic code, sure, written in a book. But also samples of himself and Lois-as-Superwoman. So 2uperman (and we thought Zibarro's Z-shield was the awesomest unexpected-but-obvious thing!) will indeed have Lois-and-Clark genes.

Clark saves Leo from Prometheus's fate in #1, and flat out hands over knowledge like a flame in #10.

Also, #4 is the Madness of Hercules, but unlike Hercules, Superman's thought ahead and prepared for a Superman gone Bad -- he ensures that Jimmy can be elevated to demigod status long enough to be a hero and stop him from killing off his family (Metropolis).

I love this comic.
 
 
huckleberry glove soup
04:25 / 23.09.08
"Superman's thought ahead and prepared for a Superman gone Bad -- he ensures that Jimmy can be elevated to demigod status long enough to be a hero and stop him from killing off his family (Metropolis)."

I'm reading this in HC so I'm only on 6, but I didn't get that bit from the issue. I read it as Jimmy saves the day. What, sir, did I miss?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:47 / 23.09.08
I'm reading this in HC so I'm only on 6, but I didn't get that bit from the issue. I read it as Jimmy saves the day. What, sir, did I miss?

Jimmy saves the day, yes, but as a direct result of Superman's actions -- shortly after the Black K infection, Agatha says, "Superman himself helped us create three Anti-Superman weapons." She goes on to explain that the first was kryptonite-powered (and no longer useful with super-charged Superman), and the second was a Phantom Zone cannon.

Third option? "It's Doomsday, right?" Superman helps P.R.O.J.E.C.T. develop the technology that Jimmy saves the day with, simply because he and they foresaw even the slim possibility of an evil Superman.

Superman also influences this particular situation in a second way, providing Jimmy with his motivation: "He's saved my life a zillion times." He's provided the means and also the spirit to give Jimmy the courage and will to submit himself to the Doomsday solution.

One of the threads throughout this series is that Superman hopes to see humanity elevated into superhumanity -- and he does what he can, both inspiring and also ensuring it can happen in a more practical sense. While this situation is a pretty bad one, a very negative deep-dark-night situation, he's still providing the power and bravery to carry Jimmy up to that new status, even if only briefly.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:07 / 23.09.08
If we're going to continue to torture this Herakles stuff - Olsen is Theseus, obvs. Superman saves him from the underworld at the start of the issue (DO YOU SEE?), he talks Superman out of his madness at the end. They are BFFs.
 
 
Triplets
12:05 / 23.09.08
Boyfriends Forever. Yes.
 
 
Mug Chum
12:34 / 23.09.08
You forgot the best F.

Am I wrong in being already anxious for the 12 issues hardcover? Filled with glistening little extras like luscious script excerpts, bits of commentaries and annotations from the three creators etc? Make it happen, Superman!
 
  

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