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7 Soldiers: The Bulleteer

 
  

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Mario
13:41 / 26.12.05
Not that I'm aware of, but it wouldn't suprise me.
 
 
LDones
22:05 / 26.12.05
I seem to recall there was an issue of World's Finest where the Vigilante teamed up with Superman to fight a werewolf... There was also a Justice League of America issue where he went up against a racist organization who was hassling a black cowboy, so there's your racism theme precedent as well.

My guess is that Morrison grabbed hold of whatever stood out in his memory of the character from comics he read when he was younger and ran with it, as he tends to.
 
 
Mario
10:45 / 27.12.05
I think he did _slightly_ more research than that, given the usage of the names "Big Caesar" and "Black Baron", both fairly obscure Vig villains.
 
 
LDones
20:23 / 27.12.05
Oh, I didn't intend to exclude proper research, but he does tend to hold obscure memories of his own to the same level of significance as what's learned through hard-won research. I don't think it's to the detriment of his narratives. Morrison's gentle sentimentality is one of his stronger points.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
16:12 / 28.12.05
while still not as strong as the previous 4 Soldiers' minis, these are quite fun. it seems GM is using Bulleteer, Frank and Mr. M [heheh] to investigate further the Sheeda mistery - undoubtly in am more expository fashion - before the showdown in SS#1. and part of our theories about the fairies origin are confirmed here, if Helligan is correct.

according to Barbelith's wiki entry on BULLETEER #2, the Boy Blue who joined Vigilante and his Six Soldiers at Miracle Mesa was Ramon's nephew and a traitor to the team. He used his horn to summon Neh-Buh-Loh and the Sheeda.

was Blue Boy's real name mentioned in #0? gotta reread that.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:28 / 28.12.05
Nah, they don't mention Blue's name -- the Whip says he sounds like a 15-year-old Mexican kid, and later there's an argument over whether he's old enough for wine.

This is all very tragic, because I loved his look in #0. The Rebis-ness, and the ghost suit that made him "hard as diamond and light as air."

So, the question is -- how did Ramon end up with the horn in the first place? I'm assuming because it was used to summon the Sheeda, it wasn't one of the Seven Treasures. Possibly he got it from Zor at some point in the past.

Huh. You know what Bulleteer #2 means? It means that Neh-buh-loh's already had his butt kicked. By Stargirl, in Stars & STRIPE, ah, #7 I think? If you don't assume as I tend to that this is all another hypertimeline or somesuch.
 
 
Aertho
16:36 / 28.12.05
Papers, tell us a little about Stargirl vs. Nebula Man.

And can anyone know/build some myth connecting the Wild Hunt, Heimdall's horn, and Seven Treasures?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:05 / 28.12.05
Stargirl vs. Nebula Man. Huh. Let's just see if I can dig out those comics, or if that issue was in the batch already packed up for when I move next month.

Got it. Okay: It was actually #8, not #7, of Stars and STRIPE, and this was when Courtney Whitmore went by "Star-Spangled Kid," rather than Stargirl. Basically, the Nebula Man uses the remains of Wing's body to return, and everybody starts to freak out as a result, Pat Dugan consults with the Golden Age Robotman to rebuild the Nebula Rod used to stop the NM the first two times, and works hard to keep Courtney out of it as usual.

Only the Nebula Man is attracted to the cosmic emanations of Courtney's cosmic converter belt, tracks her and attacks her in the middle of gym class. She ends up defeating him by overloading him - throwing the converter belt through him. The Nebula Man collapses into himself, possibly shifting in time again, and then everybody in the superhero community shows up to "help" - one second to late.

It was a fun story and undercut the knee-jerk superhero "Crisis" melodramas. I'm not sure how exactly it would fit in with the current rendition of Neh-boh-loh, but I'd suggest that perhaps after the events of SEVEN SOLDIERS he ends up going back in time looking for Seven Soldiers, much weaker for being defeated, et cetera. Depending; it's very unclear whether the Nebula Man that Ramon met was from before or after this version of the Huntsman - past or future, which get all screwy with sideways time-travel.

#9 had a retelling of the original battle with the Nebula Man, and a really swell cover depiction of the original Soldiers, which number Seven with the inclusion of Stuff the Chinatown Kid and Wing (notably absent is the Spider, one of the villains of the piece).
 
 
Ganesh
20:23 / 28.12.05
So, the question is -- how did Ramon end up with the horn in the first place?

He's 15. Everyone (and everything) gives him the horn.
 
 
LDones
20:39 / 28.12.05
Ramon was Iron Hand, formerly known as the original Black Hand, not the young Boy Blue with the Mexican speech patterns.

The coloring is a bit of an issue, as I'm fairly certain Iron Hand is Mexican, hence the racism angle and same features for his nameless and very dead nephew - but he's colored blond with caucasian skintones.
 
 
Mario
20:46 / 28.12.05
Not blond, I thought. But white-haired because he was around 60.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
21:07 / 28.12.05
it may have been bad coloring [and the younger Ramon surely looks a bit Errol Flynn-y] but it's OK, as not all Mexican - and not all other South Americans - have dark skin anyway.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:38 / 28.12.05
Btw - Ramon Solomano, the Iron Hand. Solo+Mano. Siiigh. One Hand!

All this and a werewolf named Lupelino. They're really laying on the thick-ass name symbolism...
 
 
LDones
22:51 / 28.12.05
More kistchy-punny comics-fun than symbolism, I'd think.

Now that I think about it, I don't think the original Black/Iron Hand had been named before Bulleteer, and I start to wonder again how Morrison's whole Black Hand/Black Death plot ideas had to be reconfigured for this.
 
 
Mario
10:41 / 29.12.05
I doubt it, since the Iron Hand was involved in the original Seven Soldiers encounter with the Nebula Man.

(There was a traitor that time, too. The Spider.)
 
 
The Falcon
12:19 / 29.12.05
Yeah, that all seems pretty simple to me; George wanted to use Black Hand for JLA, but then Johns prolly had dibs for him in Green Lantern, so he made Black Death up, and it's not really much to do with Iron Hand.

Good ish, I thought, but not nearly as complete as the first ish, and not really about Alix at all. Surprisingly few of the 7S comics have fallen into this trap, but Zatanna #3 might be 'nother example.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:25 / 07.01.06
My favorite things about this issue were how she apologizes and clearly feels uncomfortable about breaking the guy's "iron hand" fingers, and how the lupine groom seemed to sport a unibrow. Also like how each artist seems to draw their own take on Neb-Uh-Loh/Nebula Man. I wonder how Nebula Man looked when he appeared in old 50s/60s/70s (don't know when his story appeared) Justice League comics...?
 
 
Mario
23:54 / 07.01.06
As you may know, a unibrow is considered a sign of lycanthropy in some countries.

And this is a pic of the Nebula Man done for the History of the DC Universe, 20 years ago. It should be similar to the original:

 
 
FinderWolf
22:14 / 08.01.06
Cool.
 
 
Aertho
23:41 / 24.01.06
My local says 3 is out tomorrow. Benjamin? Can you confirm?
 
 
Mario
11:17 / 25.01.06
Not according to Diamond. It's on the list for next week.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:56 / 25.01.06
I wonder if it's just coincidence that we have two major old comic book villains with their old names now being phonetically spelled out in their new incarnations:

Neb-Uh-Loh/Nebula Man at DC by Morrison, and
Gah-Lak-Tus/Galactus at Marvel by Ellis.

Probably just coincidence. But each has three syllables, too...
 
 
Triplets
14:24 / 25.01.06
And Captain Mar-Vell who has only just been invented. This very minute. Thank you Finder for pointing out this plagiarism.

Or should I call you Captain OB-VI-US? That's three syllables too!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:31 / 25.01.06
Triplets- Meh. Was that necessary?

Finder- They're both cosmic-type entities and it seems to be a gimmick to make them sound more alien, probably derived from Mar-Vell. Especially in Galactus's case, because of how goofy he sounds. Being more phonetic suggests that the names are merely local approximations that human (and in Neb-Uh-Loh's case, gorilla) brains can comprehend.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:10 / 25.01.06
Whoa, I never said it was revolutionary or that it was astonishing or anything like that. I just thought it was interesting that there were two similar spins on old character's names, 1 from each company at roughly the same time over the past year in comics, that's all.
 
 
Aertho
15:39 / 25.01.06
Eh. I just see it as clever writers finding a way around the anthropomorphic problem.
 
 
Triplets
16:58 / 25.01.06
Finder, I apologise for being a big bitch. Sorry.
 
 
Billuccho!
20:38 / 25.01.06
Apparently Yanick Paquette's signed an exclusive for Marvel. Let's hope he's got all of Bulleteer in the can so that we don't suffer from another sudden artistic switch.
 
 
Aertho
20:44 / 25.01.06
What is with these guys? Don't they know DC's where its at?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:44 / 25.01.06
Wow. Sook finished up Zatanna and is now on occasional pages of X-Factor.

Ferry got a whole issue of Mister Miracle done and now just finished up the Ultimate X-Men/Fantastic Four thing, which was more cute than anything.

Paquette's signed onto Marvel as well?

Geez.

Any bets on when Cameron's Marvel book is going to pop up?
 
 
FinderWolf
15:06 / 26.01.06
>> Sook finished up Zatanna and is now on occasional pages of X-Factor.

Yeah, hopefully that random 'Sook only draws half of X-Factor #2' thing won't be repeated.
 
 
Optimistic
20:09 / 26.01.06
Don't forget Frazer Irving drawing that Iron Man book.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:18 / 26.01.06
Right, right!

So that leaves. Um.

JHW3. Simone Bianchi. Cameron. Doug Mahnke? Any plans for those guys to start up as Marvel artists?

Half the original artists on this series have ended up playing for the other team.
 
 
LDones
21:53 / 26.01.06
Proper preview of Bulleteer #3, now up at popcultureshock.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:44 / 26.01.06
Huh. Stella Stellamaris was the Atlantean actress on the billboard in Shining Knight #2, for the "Cup of Blood" advert. Nice in-road there. And Spyder! Back again. Hopefully with some insight into his mind and madness.

Paquette's art in the preview looks a bit crisper than it has been.
 
  

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