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Shiny: Well Over Thirty
19:43 / 10.03.07
Now, I actually like the occasional bit of Johns, on his better days, but Week 44 certainly didn't seem to be one of those days. It might not have read too badly if one was reading it in the middle of a stack of half a dozen weeks, but taken alone I was more than a little underwhelmed by the issue. Dull, dull, dull, dull, dull fightyness and very little else. Also I thought it was kind of dissapointing for the entire issue to take place in the first ten minutes of said week. That said I probably wouldn't have minded if those ten minutes had been all about Buddy Baker and the yellow aliens. And i'm seriously starting to wonder when the fuck we're going to hear anything more about Booster, Skeets and Rip Hunter - it must have been about two months, and misty as my memories of their last appearances is getting I'm sure we left them on a cliffhanger.
 
 
Tom Coates
11:18 / 11.03.07
I have to say it genuinely always delights me when Booster's involved in stuff. I've said so before, but he's a long-term favourite of mine. I'm totally fascinated by the large over-arching plot, but there is also a part of me that's suspicious. I mean, we've had a few decent twists and turns so far, although some fell flat (Lex gives powers, takes them away, gets them, loses them - did anyone understand why he took em away, what was the point if he was just going to lose em, etc). I just have this kind of fear like with 42 and Civil War that it'll end up not being a mystery at all, just something really dumb.

In the back-pages of DC comics there's that editorial about fifty two with loads of pictures of superheroes running towards the camera. Looking at it, I wondered whethere there were 52 of them. Counted them loosely and it was roughly in the right ball-park but I may have missed one or two. Is 52 just a particular group of highly influential superheroes? Or the ones that were changed or created over the year substantially?
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
14:32 / 11.03.07
I can't spot any pattern between them. Most of them have been major players over the past year, but one or two really haven't been, and haven't changed at all. I think it's just a nearly comprehensive selection of those characters who have books, or at least prominent roles in team books at the moment. Except maybe Monarch/Captain Atom - has he reappeared in Freedom Fighters, since the weirdness at the end of Battle for Bludhaven? I also notice Buddy and Booster aren't present - while most of the thus far surviving 52 stars are. This makes me sad.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:21 / 11.03.07
I think there are 52 universes in the multiverse these days. Something that Rip Hunter said a couple weeks back (when he and Booster hightailed it out of there) started me on that track... and there's that....



SPOILER SPACE





SPOILER SPACE




SPOILERZZZZZZZ







That SPOILER hint that was decoded that says that the multiverse still exists.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
15:27 / 11.03.07
I did notice that the Red Hood was present amongst the heroes, so perhaps he's going to have a presto-chango instant good guy conversion. Or keep killing people as DC's version of Punisher, since comics really need more Dark Justice and Moral Ambiguity. Hey, he could even team up with the OMAC that's in the picture, bring along Batgirl and Zombie Spoiler and become the All-Star-Lethal-Justice-Batman-Guilt-Trip-Squad.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
16:34 / 11.03.07
Captain Atom was found by Ion in the Wildstorm's Bleed over in Ion. And apparently the Bleed borders the DCU as well. There's also a 52 mention in the most recent issue of Freedom Fighters when Sam claims that the Mathamagicians of the Anti Life (who built Gonzo the Robot Bastard) are "afraid of the 52".

Incidentaly the writers of Freedom Fighters revealed that the new team was one of Morrison's ideas, as was Gonzo the Robot Bastard. Also, in tangental DCU updating, the end of Freedom Fighters sees Father Time return to being the Father Time from Seven Soldiers.

Some people are afraid of the 52, some (the Dominators in LOSH) are seeking revenge for them... but wtf are they? After milking the reveal for this long, I certainly hope this isn't anticlimactic.
 
 
PitrPatr
17:12 / 11.03.07
Yeah when I picked up the new LOSH and saw the big first page splash of "Remember the fifffdee-tu", it did bug me a little bit, just in that if there was this big momentous thing in the 21st century, why is it spontaneously relevant in the 31st? That's why I've always liked LOSH, since barring time travel it's pretty much in its own little continuity bubble.

On the other hand, if the 52 is part of this big reality-timeline restructuring, then I guess the new paradigm would've affected all time periods simultaneously, so it makes sense that we haven't heard about the 52 in Legion stories before.

This better have one hell of a payoff.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
17:44 / 11.03.07
I assumed the OMAC was the OMAC from Bruce Jones OMAC series that I'm not reading, who might be a good guy for all I know. But Black Adam appears as well of the Red Hood , and he's at least as psychopathic as Jason Todd, if marginally less boring, so I guess the picture isn't all good guys per se. Is Captain Atom acting more like Captain Atom or more like Monarch over in Ion, coz he could be a third pretty morally screwed up character if he's in Monarch mode.

Also IMS, is Freedom Fighters as much more interesting than Batle for Bludhaven as you're first paragraph makes it sound? There was just enough meat in BFB to make me want to like it, but I just couldn't, mainly due to dullness, so I didn't pick Freedom Fighters up.

With regards to the Legion the Fiffdee-Tu business is one of the few things that makes me reasonably confident the pay-off for 52 is actually going to be worthwhile. Waid's a pretty solid writer most of the time and he probably isn't going to go screwing things up in his pet title just to promote 52, so if he threw it in it's got to be good reason for it.
 
 
murphy
12:12 / 12.03.07
I haven't yet read the issue where the Crocodile eats somebody, so maybe that will sully what has otherwise been an enjoyable bit of work by Mr. Johns.

Well, I've read it now, and yes, it ruined the whole thing for me.

My disappointment started in the issue prior to Famine chowing on poor little Osiris, when Mr. Johns had the whole Black Marvel Family and Marvel Family fist fighting like trailer trash rabble. Why, oh why, would a family that had shared nothing but love suddenly find it okay to start punching each other? Wouldn't a teary argument have been more fitting such a family? Prior to Osiris flying through the Suicide Squad, we'd never seen him as much as curse at another person, now, all of a sudden, he's punching his loved ones. Why? Oh, yeah: lazy, hacky writing.

And then Isis dies.

And suddenly, we're back to where we were with Black Adam being a big, psychotic bully, instead of the loving man he'd evolved into. A man successfully staving off his murderous nature in favor of love and loyalty and peace makes for a much better story.

Fucking Geoff Johns. He was able to pull off a trick that is beyond many comic writers: he got me to care about characters I hadn't ever bothered with. And then he does this. This isn't realism; this isn't grim and gritty writing. This is just crap.
 
 
Tom Coates
12:19 / 12.03.07
Can someone explain to me why Captain Marvel in the backpage special in question looks all white with long white hair and not all big and cheesy?
 
 
The Falcon
12:50 / 12.03.07
Apparently he's taken the role of the wizard at the rock of Eternity in Judd Winick's Trials of Shazam! So I read, the other week.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:56 / 12.03.07
Way-ull... as I understand it, after the Spectre killed Shazam and shattered the Rock of Eternity, the Shadowpact reassembled the Rock, and Captain Marvel became the new Shazam. Which involves having long white hair and a white suit. If only I'd known it was that easy...
 
 
The Falcon
12:57 / 12.03.07
Is the wizard actually called Shazam(!)? Huh.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:19 / 12.03.07
I believe so, yes. You say the name of the person who gave you the powers to activate them, no?
 
 
Mario
14:30 / 12.03.07
It's a little complicated, depending on where in continuity you are sitting:

Golden Age: Wizard is named Shazam, magic word is Shazam, hero is Captain Marvel.

Power of Shazam era: Wizard is Jebediah of Canaan, formerly The Champion (with the magic word Vlarem), Shazam is both a title and a magic word.

Post-Infinite: Wizard is Billy Batson, aka "Marvel", hero and magic word is Shazam.

And, just for completeness sake, S:MOE: Wizard is "the wizard", magic word is Shazam.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:33 / 12.03.07
Falke - Yeah, the wizard is Shazam. 's why it's odd that he hasn't been specifically named in Monster Society of Evil and the magic word was merely referred to as a magic word. He made a deal with various gods to take on their powers as reflected by his name.

I gather they're moving Captain Marvel Junior into a position of being called Shazam, actually, once the Trials are done. From what I've heard. I'm not sure if Billy will still be around or have a new name or what.
 
 
Sniv
15:16 / 12.03.07
Really really excellent interview with Greg Rucka re:52 over at CBR at the moment. A helluva lot of insight into the creation process and Behind the Music dramas with editorial at DC. And, one of the best quotes about Geoffy Johnny: I think sometimes that runs the risk of doing cool for the sake of cool, which might not be a criticism. There was an email exchange at one point, where he said it was okay to do the cool thing because it is cool. I wish I had the presence of mind to respond, because I realized that my reaction should have been, "But if you do that, you have 'Phantom Menace.'" Nice one, Rucksy.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
20:38 / 16.03.07
Spoilers





So, I know Superman isn't around, but would the entirety of the DCU let Black Adam spend 36 hours killing everything from flora to fauna, and government to citizen, in a entire country without lifting a finger?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:51 / 16.03.07
They were looking the other way.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:32 / 16.03.07
I know Superman isn't around, but would the entirety of the DCU let Black Adam spend 36 hours killing everything from flora to fauna, and government to citizen, in a entire country without lifting a finger?

It does seem like a bit of an oversight, but given the dramatic impact of the scenes in question, I suppose the DC universe could have been forgiven for thinking that Black Adam was basically just letting off steam there, in a slightly dirty scrap.

I wonder which of the four writers involved might have done the honours?
 
 
The Falcon
01:56 / 17.03.07
I, too, can only wonder.

Anyway, it might have been the chap who's written that dreadful Steel/Infinity Inc. storyline, but finally something (potentially) good may occur on that front with a Peter 'where have you been, d00d? comics is bleeding' Milligan series.
 
 
Mario
12:48 / 17.03.07
I haven't read the issue, but I was under the impression from reviews and the like that DEATH had killed all those people, and Adam is being blamed for it.
 
 
Sniv
12:59 / 17.03.07
Nonono, plenty of squelchy headpunching to be found within #45, Adam goes nutso and kills half a country. The only way I can see it going down is that a) most of the power-players (and those capable of flying across the world in an hour or two) are either busy or out of the picture, so there isn't the A-List that would be needed to put together a coalition capable of stopping Adam, b) The news coming from the area has downplayed the extent of the destruction, either to quell a world-panic or becuase there are no journalists on the ground (or they've all been killed too). Also, if the infrastructure was taken down, most people wouldn't be able to go online and blog about the catastrophe, as would happen now, or c) the politics have tied up the major powers such as the JSA, who are largely involved in Checkmate and would understand the politics of the situation.

Of course, this is mostly just rationalising a bit of sloppy timing, but I think it's not inconceivable that it could happen. Look how long it took the real US to get to New Orleans the other year, and that was in their own country. Sometimes monolithic entities like governments and politically active superteams take a while to respond when something catches them by surprise on such a scale.

Although none of this explains where the Red Marvel family is, I'm sure they could respond easily enough.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
15:54 / 17.03.07
My that really was quite bad wasn't it? It's a shame I really was quite enjoying 52, up until it turned into Black Adam Weekly, and judging from the next issue teaser that transformation shows no signs of reversing itself. And the thing is the idea that an absurdly powerful character could suffer a severe psychotic episode and spend three days murdering an entire nation without intervention really might work in a normal book, based around a limited cast of characters, but in this book that's meant to be about the whole DCU it really doesn't make a jot of sense. Why in the actual issue alone we saw Captain Marvel and Alan Scott - both of whom are certainly powerful enough to stand up to Adam, and could have intervened before the slaughter spread from Bialyas governement to the citizens. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

Still fantastic news about the Peter Milligan penned Infinity Inc series - I wonder if they delayed Kid Amazo's appearance in JLA:Classified so it would be fresh in reader's minds when Milligan's Infinity Inc comes out.
 
 
Tom Coates
19:53 / 17.03.07
But isn't this the law thing that they set up earlier? That superheroes no longer would be tolerated going into other countries even to help unless specifically requested?

Still, this stuff always drives me a bit nuts, since while I'm quite happy to accept that perhaps we don't hear about Bialyan superheroes (or people with super powers at least), I'm less keen on the idea that there aren't any because that stuff only really happens in the US and a few other places when people from the US go and visit.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
20:06 / 17.03.07
Well Bialya did at one point have the Global Guardians and I think a few other supers. However succesive Bialyan governements have had a tendency to be supervillains or associates of such, and have exhibited a preference towards putting any supers they can get there hands on under mind control, causing them to tend to get as far away from the country as possible once said mind control is broken.

With regards to Adam's 'freedom of power treaty' or whatever it was called surely even if Bialya where signatories to it it ceases to meanigfully apply to a situation in which Adam himself is comitting genocide upon the people of Bialya? I mean it's already a pretty bloody nasty international incident isn't it?
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
14:48 / 29.03.07
The hand of Grant Morrison is heavy on this ish.

We've got setup for his Batman arc with Tim and a monk playing Dane and El-Fayed. We've got Buddy stepping outside of continuity in order to take a shortcut home... lots of Morrisonisims in this one.
 
 
couch
07:02 / 30.03.07
Is my memory playing tricks, or did El-Fayed ask Dane the same koan about the goose and the bottle?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
08:45 / 30.03.07
It's not, he did. The answer was a bit different though (can somebody help me out with what it was?), which I guess highlights the difference between Dane and Tim. Why you would need to know the difference between a scouse messiah and Batman's number-one super-fan is beyond me, but it's there none the less.
 
 
Mario
09:52 / 30.03.07
"There's no goose, Jack. No bottle. Only words.

"Look! The goose is free!!"
 
 
FinderWolf
13:33 / 30.03.07
definitely a 75% Morrison issue.

Don't do it, Ellen!! Your man is alive and still loves you!!! NOOOOOO!!!!!!!
 
 
Mario
13:35 / 30.03.07
It's been suggested that, since Buddy seems to be taking the Ulysses role in this arc, she's Penelope. So odds are she's stringing Mystery Guy along.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:49 / 30.03.07
Two very enjoyable issues in a row. Bonus! I liked the art this issue - very rare to see an actual style shining through.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:17 / 30.03.07
ah, good call, Mario...that does indeed make perfect sense.
 
 
Mario
15:34 / 30.03.07
I hope so... superhero marriages are falling apart right and left.

There's some support for the thesis, if you compare the space arc with the Odyssey. The hard part is deciding whether Buddy or Adam is Odysseus.
 
  

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