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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
02:20 / 04.05.07
Now I keep hearing "I once knew a girl named Big Barda" in my head, over and over again. Damnable Bernstein. Sung by Kalibak, his head anguish. The love lost. The Female Fury (chorus girl) that got away.

Back O/T, has Renee-as-Question been referenced OYL at all? Or is she operating purely in the shadows by this point?
 
 
FinderWolf
03:03 / 04.05.07
Wow, Papers and Mario are really outdoing themselves here.

Angela Lansbury as Granny Goodness? Or should it be Streisand?

>> Omega!
I just launched the beams named Omega.
And suddenly I'll see,
That you have ceased to be,
To me!

>> Omega!
Send it out, and there's no defending.
Watch them curve, as your life is ending.
Omega. I'll always be using Omega!

Um, this is brilliant. I will be singing this for the next several days...and laughing out loud, very hard. Mumbling this to myself in the streets and subways, as onlookers wonder why I'm talking/singing to myself. Damn you Mario!!!!!!

And nope, I don't think we've seen any trance of Montoya-Question. I guess since her big reveal as the official successor came very late in 52, they didn't want to spoil the surprise by having her appear as the new Question in current DC books before the 52 reveal. (and Keith Giffen recently said in an interview that he suggested to the 52 writers early on that her superhero name be "The Answer" and everyone laughed at him. 100% truth. But he figured he'd at least get the idea/suggestion out there.)
 
 
Tom Coates
07:08 / 04.05.07
Was The Solution too Holocausty?
 
 
Mario
09:49 / 04.05.07
You are welcome.

And there can only be one Granny... Harvey Fierstein.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:29 / 04.05.07
Ok, so to carry on the pile we have to think of a joke about a black, gay Jew. Sammy Davies is dead, isn't he? He can't sue?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
11:20 / 04.05.07
i haven't read 52 since #6 - that will be a long catch-up - but just dropping by to post that the 52-Pickup blog is wrapping up along the series, and the author has an interesting book coming up:

Before I get to 52.52 itself, though, as a few people have suggested, I'm going to take this last opportunity to hype my book a little. It's called Reading Comics: How Graphic Novels Work and What They Mean, it's being published by Da Capo Press at the beginning of July, I'm really happy with how it turned out, and I encourage you to pre-order a copy here. 52 is mentioned only in passing, but there's a 30-page chapter on Grant Morrison (and Seven Soldiers and The Invisibles in particular), as well as essays about Question creator Steve Ditko, Mogo co-creator Alan Moore, and Mystery In Space writer/artist Jim Starlin. It's also got chapters on David B., Chester Brown, Carla Speed McNeil, Dave Sim, Chris Ware, Alison Bechdel, Tomb of Dracula, superheroes, superreaders, bad comics, good comics, art comics, and much more. I suspect that people who've enjoyed 52 Pickup will get a charge out of it, or at least find stuff to argue with. You can also befriend it on MySpace--I'll probably be announcing tour dates and such there.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:40 / 04.05.07
Back ontopic, issue 52 certainly covered a lot of ground, but it did so in a rather unlovely way. Once you get over the rather wonderful fact that it has just turned into Zenith Pahse 4, the sheer weight of exposition - this is what "52" meant! This is what we've been doing with this! With this! With this! Yes, Batwoman's fine, thanks for asking! - gets in the way of the story maintaining a sense of danger or dynamism.

Another problem is that, at the end, we've only spent very much time with one of the characters - Booster Gold. Rip Hunter we haven't seen much of, Daniel Carter turned up in one episode before this. Could this have been sold a bit more? It sort of gives the impression that most of the last 30 issues or so was basically filler, leading up to the recreation of the Multiverse, a plot involving three characters.

So, does mean that we are basically back to pre-Crisis DC? And yes, it's decidedly odd that we now have a universe with the classic Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters _and_ a Universe which another Uncle Sam and another set of Freedom Fighters occupy along with versions of the heroes from all the other universes.

On the plus side, you know what this means? It means that Ted Kord can come back from Earth-C analogue. W00T!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:36 / 04.05.07
I have immortalized my love for 52 for all time.

Probably the best work I've ever done. THENKS, FIFDYTOO!!

 
 
This Sunday
13:54 / 04.05.07
I take it this doesn't end with Batwoman saving the day with her Batgod brilliance. And then going out for drinks with Renee The Question Montoya? And so to bed?

And, so with Apollo and Midnighter in their current states, and 52 ended, are my hopes of a functional gay supercouple thwarted, yet again. With my luck, Montoya probably becomes a man when she questions up, anyway, to avoid any icky gay tactile moments if she gets a girlfriend again.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:59 / 04.05.07
Actually it kind of does. Like I said, it was a love story all along.
 
 
Janean Patience
14:11 / 04.05.07
Back on topic:

Consider yourself - Scott Free!
Consider yourself - the new Mister Miracle
An escape artist - like me
Thaddeus Brown, the man that they couldn't drown

If you would like to be fired like a cannonball
Wearing a hundredweight of chains
Seconds before you've hit the ground you've picked the locks
Leaving the audience amazed! Hey!


Sorry, isn't the title of this thread Apokalips: The Musical?
 
 
Mario
14:28 / 04.05.07
No... it's Dark Side Story
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
14:48 / 04.05.07
I like to be in New Genesis
Ok by me in New Genesis
You'll see Scott Free in New Genesis
Because he fleed to New Genesis
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
14:54 / 04.05.07
Oh, and...

What does George have against the letter X?
First he retcons Weapon X into Weapon 10, and now Earth X is Earth 10?
 
 
Spaniel
14:54 / 04.05.07
to avoid any icky gay tactile moments if she gets a girlfriend again.

Remember, lesbos aren't homos, they're sexy, and they do it to turn guys on. So it's alright.
 
 
Janean Patience
15:12 / 04.05.07
Gee Glorious Godfrey, we're ready to kill
Just Warhounds hungry for our superhero meals
We'll chew up Blue Beetle and his ex-Charlton mates,
Then you'll get mindwiped by Dr Fate
Dr Fate!
 
 
Spaniel
16:55 / 04.05.07
I think this thread needs to find its topic. We entered Conversation territory some time ago.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:03 / 04.05.07
Well, it's beginning to teeter into post-mortem territory as well. Possibly it's time to start a Countdown thread?

...Is anyone going to read Countdown, having just gone through 52? I'm probably going to give it a look for at least the first issue on the grounds that Jimmy Olsen is a central character and I have my weird thing about him.

I'm also wondering what this has taught us with regard to how to do a weekly comic book well, and what the pitfalls are...what can be done on the editorial level regarding organization and structure to improve chances of success?
 
 
This Sunday
17:55 / 04.05.07
Remember, lesbos aren't homos, they're sexy

How's that working out in recent Runaways, then?
 
 
FinderWolf
19:07 / 04.05.07
That 52 pickup blog linked above mentions 2 plot points which might someday be dealt with:

>> 10) Did the Super-Chief business have any connection at all with the rest of the story? (It was supposed to tie in somewhere, right?)

I distinctly remember the 52 writers saying in an interview about it, right after the Super-Chief issues came out, that 'his story was not over yet.' Maybe they forgot about it/couldn't cram it in.

>> 14) What happened to the Plutonium Man that Dr. Magnus reconstructed?

Yeah, this was a big build-up that never quite got used, right?

And the silliness of Booster using Skeets as a football seems perfect for the goofy comedy he epitomizes...very much like the Flash Gordon football scene in the 80s campy film.
 
 
Spaniel
19:49 / 04.05.07
I feel certaib that football business had a lot to do with Mr Moorisun.
 
 
Spaniel
19:51 / 04.05.07
How's that working out in recent Runaways, then?

I have no idea as I'm waiting for the trade. I feel pretty sure I know how it's working out with the DC editors though.
 
 
Rachel Evil McCall
20:06 / 04.05.07
The sky is black
And all the pits shoot flames
My skin's as gray as a baked potato
I think you know precisely what I mean
When I say "Die for Darkseid" today.
 
 
Spaniel
20:07 / 04.05.07
I'm going to start moving for some deletions in a minute.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:27 / 04.05.07
yeah... Although these are all really funny, maybe we should curb the 'Fourth World musical' stuff so as to keep this thread from just becoming a parody festival.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:29 / 04.05.07
Don't make Boboss take out the big stick!
 
 
Janean Patience
20:38 / 04.05.07
Okay, okay... but what's the tune for the last one?
 
 
Rachel Evil McCall
20:43 / 04.05.07
"Schpadoinkle" from Cannibal! the Musical.
 
 
Spaniel
20:55 / 04.05.07
Seriously, guys, let's pull this shit in. It's a fucking bore and half to be going on like this, but, hey, we're already pretty lax around these parts, and given that fact I think it's verging taking the piss to continue in the same vein after a mod (or indeed anyone) has pointed out that things are getting a little out of hand.
 
 
This Sunday
22:50 / 04.05.07
Runaways

I have no idea as I'm waiting for the trade. I feel pretty sure I know how it's working out with the DC editors though.


When I last left the world of monthly comics (mostly), there seemed to be a slight unease... it's okeh to have lesbians as long as they do nothing lesbiany. And not in the vicariously deliciously slashtastic Ivy/Harley sense, where their nonsexual interactions are entertaining and the focus, but in the Runaways sense, where it seems like the muddier sexualities are being cleared out with Drano, and the skrull, who talks a good game of gender fluidity, cannot help but be male a lot, thus keeping us from having to see any on-panel hand-holding or kissing or something. I almost think Marvel or DC would be more comfortable running flat-out lesbian sex of some variety, than they would holding hands and kissing in the moonlight, ever again.

Montoya's arc, early in the series was shaping up to be pretty hammy, but there were a few glowing moments where I actually had to shake my head or blush for her. She seemed like she needed to get out of relationships for a bit, stand on her own two just for a bit, and then shoot somebody to feel healthy and move on to the blushy and head-shakey parts again.

I also thought The Question wasn't going to be really him, though, so, clearly, I was misdirected on a lot of things. The only thing I'm pretty sure I got right, and I'd have to reread this thread to know right now if I'm wrong, is that Buddy's a pretty good guy.

I'm essentially ghosting for trade at the moment, so I could just add these to the list and give a handful of pages per trade. There's going to be four, right? Or just one? This can't need an ABSOLUTE! can it?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:53 / 04.05.07
For the sake of posterity, I've dumped all the "Musical" text into a draft file on my blog (as I'm at work) and if anyone feels like it, I can always make up a thread for people to follow that line of thought if they'd like to.

I'm curious to see if the issue of Super-Chief's dangling threads is addressed in anyway in Countdown; how many danglers have there been in 52 with no resolution that might be carried forward?
 
 
FinderWolf
04:59 / 05.05.07
Keith Giffen does a great 'exit interview' about 52 over at Newsarama...here it is. They've been running a lot of these exit interviews; pretty in-depth stuff with all the writers (they haven't done Mozzer thus far).

GIFFEN SPEAKETH!

about the art and the concept of 'was there a house style' so to speak, Giffen had this to say:

>> NRAMA: And I've heard you mention before the "visual language" of a weekly book. What do you mean by that? Was it a lot different from what you would have done in a monthly?

KG: Well, maybe not what I would have done in a monthly, but from what one of the artists would have done in a monthly – yeah. When I was brought on board to basically do the storyboards, it was not because we had no faith in these artists' storytelling abilities. These are all professionals. But a book coming out weekly is in your face every week, and artist all have their own tone and rhythm for telling a story. Joe Bennett is not going to lay out a story the way Chris Batista, who is not going to lay out a story the same way Shawn Moll would.

On a weekly comic, that tends to affect the story because the eye is constantly jarred by different storytelling approaches, by different ways of telling the story. If there are two different artists on two books and you read them back to back, both books feel different. With a weekly book, you don't have that three week period to digest what you read. And the idea with 52 is that the books feel as consistent as possible, so when you're reading through it, yes, maybe what's inside the panel is going to alter a little bit and the way the guy draws the characters may change a little bit, but the panel arrangement and the story beats and the storytelling rhythm remains consistent. So that's why I was there, so that through the entire run, that storytelling rhythm remained consistent, from Joe Bennett to Eddy Barrows to Dan Jurgens.
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And yeah, we want more Super-Chief!

I was just glancing at some of the writing on Rip Hunter's famous chalkboard, and there's still tons of random stuff that has yet to be answered/dealt with -- for example, one mentions "The Last Sun of Krypton" or something (maybe that's Superman's not-really-his-kid-but-adopted-Kryptonian-kid from Richard Donner & Geoff Johns recent story), but there's one mention of the Lazarus Pit. Huh???
 
 
FinderWolf
05:02 / 05.05.07
>> On the plus side, you know what this means? It means that Ted Kord can come back from Earth-C analogue. W00T!

Totally!

Also, I think someone asked about "what's the joke/reference about Ted Kord finding the scarab 'right under his nose" the day after the first Crisis?" (or is there a joke being made here necessarily?) I thought I knew DCU history pretty well and I didn't get the reference here, if there is one. Can't remember what Ted was doing RIGHT after the first Crisis. He had his own series but it didn't last long, and I'm not sure when his series started (I think it was drawn by Paris Cullins, this is waaaay back in the 80s).
 
 
FinderWolf
05:47 / 05.05.07
also, J.G. Jones does a retrospective on his covers here.

WizardUniverse.com had a weekly 'making of each cover' blog by J.G. that was always really interesting.

I for one am telling every comic fan I know that Jones should definitely win an Eisner for his cover work on this book (he's been nominated).
 
 
FinderWolf
18:11 / 07.05.07
In several interviews, Mark Waid talks about how he was discussing at a writer's conference what would happen to Ralph and Sue Dibney at the end of 52, and he and Grant Morrison both turned to each other and SIMULTANEOUSLY said: "Ghost detectives!!!" *lol* Gotta love it. Then they all started making Beetlejuice and "Topper" (old TV show about a ghost couple) references.
 
  

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