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sn00p
15:36 / 30.03.07
I thought the mystery guy might just be buddy in a months time. Although that dosen't really add up because i can't see why the aliens would show him that.

Bit a waste of a post really.
 
 
Mario
17:24 / 30.03.07
Because they are manipulative pricks?
 
 
FinderWolf
19:17 / 30.03.07
relevant part from a Newsarama interview today:

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NRAMA: . . . is Buddy's storyline still following the general outline of The Odyssey? You remember what happened to the dude who was making time with Odysseus’s wife, Penelope, right?

Michael Siglain, 52 Editor: Are you suggesting that we kill off Ellen’s suitor? Would we do such a thing?

NRAMA: And add to the body count of 52? Mortality in this series has been so…low, after all…

MS: [laughs]. Well…

NRAMA: Is Ellen's companion someone readers of the DCU would know?

MS: Astute Animal Man fans will know him as Buddy’s agent, Roger. And we haven’t seen the last of him yet.
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Hmmm......
 
 
Spaniel
07:48 / 01.04.07
The hand of Grant was indeed on this ish. Everything other than the Steelworks bit felt like Morrowquan to me. Interesting to have the Batstuff coming to fruition here at the same time that its consequences may well be being felt over in Grant's Batbook. For once the timing of comicbooks is spot on.
 
 
murphy
15:53 / 17.04.07
I think Will Magnus will reveal the Tellurium robot as his latest metal man.

(the only reason I say this is because when I Google'd "52" i saw a link for that particular element, which is #52 on the periodic table, and I thought that it would be neato)
 
 
murphy
15:57 / 17.04.07
Damn it. I'm not as celver as I thought.

I see from the Wiki article on 52 there was a hint at something involving Tellurium ("Te versus (Au+Pb)") on Rip Hunter's chalkboard in issue #6.

Damn it again.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
22:06 / 19.04.07
Issue 50 came out this week, along with the World War 3 four parter. While the issue itself was a bit bland in my mind (Oh look! We're going to have an entire issue where super heroes fight! And, um... no, that's the story (although I quite liked the bit with Captain Marvel at the end, to be honest)) what are people's reactions to the World War 3 books?

I personally was really, really bored by them. They seemed completely unnecessarily, in terms of the larger narrative. I personally would have made it more spread out, like have a day of the war happen in each issue or something, but no. The World War 3 books do nothing to further your understanding of the crazy war stuff. 52 Week 50 makes as much sense if you don't read them as it does if you do. And having J'onn J'onzz whining for half the story does nothing to improve it.
 
 
s_kid
23:11 / 19.04.07
yeah that was my thoughts as well; WWW3 doesnt interest ne in the slightest; and not just because Grant isnt involved. It good 52 has been a success, obviously with Countdown hot on its heels; and the OYL and various conundrums have made me interested in the wider DC universe again; My thoughts are that the high concept was Seven Soldiers, the distillation was 52 and the dumbing down is going to be Countdown, and that may end the process (or else they'll just have to keep coming up with these centralising story arcs; just cut to the chase; hypertime or the multiverse; bring em on... While Im succumbing to fanboy wank an Animal Man oneshot by Grant Truog and Hazelwood would rock my world; it was the title that opened my eyes to comics (cheers Dave Bishop)and its been a nostalgic thrill to see Buddy in action again. Glad we have a double issue in two weeks; I'll sure miss having a weekly dose of Grant even though its distilled. Does anyone have any pointers for his next works post Authority/Wildcats/Batman and Area51.
 
 
Rachel Evil McCall
15:38 / 20.04.07
After reading WWIII, I'm just left wondering why, when seeing Young Frankenstein's life flashing before his eyes, J'onn saw Frostbite from Young Heroes in Love (oddly, the first DC book I ever read).

I mean... what the hell? Now I want to know more about a dead character who I otherwise wouldn't give one seventh of a rat's ass about.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:15 / 20.04.07
Well young Frank coming back wouldn't stretch plausability much.

However I was disapointed that S.H.A.D.E. didn't send the real deal FRANKENSTEIN after Black Adam. Well I was disapointed in alot of WWIII; which boads poorly for countdown.

I was hoping WWIII would step outside the Week#Day# format and deliver some actual character development. Rather than one off word balloons "well I'm wonder woman now" (or whatever) I would've rathered see those actual events in flashback. It was hard to develop any interest in the massacre in Australia when it looked no different than what happened a few weeks ago already. Plus the Big brawl was ultimatley boring all these different superheroes with different abilities and the best they could do over 4 issues was "tackle him?"

The Great 10 bits in issue 50 where promising, hopefully the great 10 series will be a step up from there. The ultimate solution Magic word switch was kind of neat and lends itself to wondering what the new word would be. And the T.O. Morrow ending was fun.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
17:58 / 20.04.07
although I quite liked the bit with Captain Marvel at the end, to be honest

Gail Simone liked that part so much that she made it a major plot point in her Wildstorm 'Welcome to Tranquility' book. Six months ago.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
21:28 / 20.04.07
... Well, I guess that's the magic of time travel, then. Time travel and back issues.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
21:55 / 20.04.07
An ending of sorts for Animal Man on the Newsarama weekly 52 page. Plus the thing with Gail's Tranquility series is mentioned.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
21:58 / 20.04.07
And it appears Amazon have the First two 52 Volumes prelisted.
 
 
Spaniel
11:20 / 21.04.07
Tricks, there's a Great 10 series in the works?
 
 
Mario
11:56 / 21.04.07
The Animal Man ending (if it is the ending) pleases me. I'm a sucker for happy endings, especially these days.
 
 
Mario
11:58 / 21.04.07
Boboss: Yes, as was announced at WWLA.
 
 
Spaniel
15:12 / 21.04.07
Any idea who's gonna write it? Imo, it'll need a Grant Moorwengen to live up to it's potential.
 
 
The Falcon
18:26 / 21.04.07
It's a new guy, Vietnamese I think. In one of the recenter LITGs, wherein Rich Johnston's tedious editorialising aggravates. Ron Lim art.
 
 
The Falcon
18:30 / 21.04.07
*sorry - in one of the recenter LITGs it tells you the guys name, which is - a google of 'ron lim great ten' reveals - Tien Pham. I'm cautiously optimistic about this prospect.
 
 
Spaniel
19:08 / 21.04.07
I want to be very excited but, yeah, cautiously optimistic is the best I can muster.
 
 
The Falcon
19:27 / 21.04.07
Yeah, I can't find anything about Tien's previous work and I checked this week, noting he'd drawn... something, to see if Ron had improved as an artist at all. He hasn't.
 
 
krakaboom
19:54 / 21.04.07
cannot take credit for this, but somone on another message board caught this in ish 50. thought i would paste it here. pretty cool!

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Shaolin Robot had some interesting effects in his dialogue balloons. I counted the lines to confirm my suspicion that these were hexagrams from the I Ching.

Gathering People: in the first (Shaolin Robot) panel, where Great Ten's archer is reloading, Shaolin Robot expresses the hexagram of Gathering People, which in this context is probably an expression of teamwork. "Go team!" or given what Grant Morrison has said about the basis for Great Ten, "Avengers Assemble!"

Attending: as Shaolin Robot attacks Black Adam, we hear the hexagram for Attending, which means to focus on something while waiting for the right opportunity to take action. Or, more in tune with this scene, "I'm on it!"

Returning: Black Adam decapitates Shaolin Robot. As his head bounces away, Shaolin Robot declares the hexagram for Returning. In this context, it could mean, "I'll be back" (like the Terminator) or possibly "Back to the drawing board."
 
 
FinderWolf
16:55 / 22.04.07
very cool, thanks for posting this. Great idea from Mozzer to use I Ching hexagrams for word balloons.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
19:34 / 25.04.07
This week in... 52!

SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY...
















Superboy is mourned a year after he dies, and a couple of days after millions of people die!
Buddy is back!
Starfire's boobs! Hur-hur. I said boobs.
Skeets is really Mr. Mind!
Mr Mind is really Cthulu!
 
 
Panic
20:19 / 25.04.07
Wait? What!

It'll be a couple of weeks afore I can pick this up, so....


SPOILER SPACE FOR SPOILER QUESTION


















Has he always been Mr. Mind?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
20:23 / 25.04.07
The Mr. Mind reveal page scared the bejeesus out of me. Totally didn't expect it to look like that, it got an audible reaction of the oogy from me.

That is all.
 
 
The Falcon
21:55 / 25.04.07
Mr. Mind got kidnapped in like week one or two, whilst still in larval caterpillar form. How he found himself in Skeets is probably an issue that will either be addressed i) not at all or ii) in week 52. I read a sneaky torrent before tomorrer, and quite enjoyed. The art's as crap as usual but, you know, danger! Buddy Baker - Mister Mind wants to consume 52 universes - it's all quite exciting if nonsensical and gives optimism that the thing'll round out into... well, a fairly unique, decent quality superhero experience, all in all.

I've enjoyed it, mostly, though I can honestly, avowedly say I've no interest whatsoever in pursuing Countdown, following immediately afterward.
 
 
rabideyemovement
22:26 / 25.04.07
I'm pretty sure he's always been Mr. Mind. He comes from a race of mind controlling worms from Venus. Mr. Mind was sent ahead on a scouting mission but ran into superhuman resistance...

I'm not sure they've ever mentioned the fate of his race. There could very well be millions of worms on Venus, just waiting for the right time to invade.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
23:15 / 25.04.07
There's a JSA series right there.
 
 
_Boboss
21:06 / 26.04.07
now we're coming to a close with this then, is it possible to maybe start picking out the highlights of this punctual, ambitious, occasionally inspired but essentially awkward maxi maxi series?

selfish reasons for asking - like a few others I suspect I gave this up in the mid-twenties when the resolution seemed just too far in the future, and the core plots once established largely lost their appeal. i don't regret it - i feel i am a much luckier human being than any who has read montoya's wasteful and no doubt massively tedious morph into the question; ditto anyone whose eyes have passed across the black marvel family saga, which back when i was reading it was little more than a place where bad dialogue and stiff spandex posing went to sicken, be tortured and die, guantanamo bay for melodrama.

only, i got number forty nine on monday, the one where the metal men are bullets, and realised how much i would have liked to see the goings on of this mad scientist island and will magnus' befuddled journey into badassness.

so are there any individual episodes of this that measure up to the splendid no. forty nine, which might be worth digging in the bins or the torrents for? what are people's top five or six issues of fifty-two? what individual moments really ring out with you, which bits do you think will change the DC universe for ever etc.? [apologies if anyone feels this should go into a '52 - the mop-up' thread, and feel free to move this post there]
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:10 / 27.04.07
It's about a 1 in 5 hit rate for very good episodes, 1 in 3 for passable. All the Steel-centric issues pretty much sucked, as did the eternally boring anti-surprise of Montoya becoming the new Question (although the tie up issue with Nightwing/Question and lots of Were-people getting zapped was OKish).
Needless to say the mad scientist stuff was ace, as was most of the Booster Gold story (personally I think the idea of a corporate superhero selling his costume as advertising hoarding space is a perfectly interesting set-up for an ongoing). I dug the oddity issues (Super-Chief, Red Tornado etc..) and liked the Chinese superteam (although I wish they'd done more stuff like this - fleshing out the parts of the DCU that aren't usually explored) Ralph's quest was mostly histrionic nonsense, but I've a soft spot for all the supernatural DC stuff so it passed the time. I also think Ralph and the floating head of Fate could make a nice ongoing suprnatural detective series.
The best stuff really seemed to be the Space quest, partly cos we all love Buddy, but also because Space is the place for weird fun ideas and oddball missions. Mad Scientists, giant floating cosmic heads, always preferable to the tedious chest-beating angst of Black Adam.
Last few issues have been pretty enjoyable. My favourite image of the series thus far if Buddy the Sun sat before Ellen and the kids. Really touching, and a genuine happy ending.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:22 / 29.04.07
overall, I'd say this series was pretty successful; both in shipping on time and in terms of reasonably consistent entertainment quality. Sure, the story went in and out in terms of being so-so or really great, but the fact that they made a year-long weekly comic without the leads of the DCU and managed to make smaller characters interesting enough to sustain the 'leading roles' of the narrative was pretty cool.

The DCU needs to impose a moratorium on ripping people in half, though, as Geoff Johns and Brad Meltzer have used up the allowable occurrences of such action by far.
 
 
Triplets
17:30 / 29.04.07
How many people actually got ripped in half (or just had pieces ripped off) during the course of 52, though?
 
 
Spaniel
17:33 / 29.04.07
Sure it was fun to see the big and very bizarre DCU splayed out before us, but, like Mac, I don't think it worked hard enough to deliver on its own promise. I'm also left with the feeling that there is very little in the way of interconnectedness between the story arcs, or that what connctions there are just aren't very interesting. Maybe those of you that were reading closely could make a stab at tieing everything together in a more satisfactory manner but, as someone who just wasn't set alight by much of it, I struggled to find that degree of focus and consequently can't shake the feeling that the series was a great big mess. A great big mess of extremely variable quality (by Christ that fucking shit with Steel) shot through with thin skeins of greatness, but a great big mess nonetheless.

I'm not sure how anyone could call it a success. That it came out on time isn't a good enough reason in my universe.
 
  

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