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Big Brother: Revenge of the Sixth.

 
  

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Ganesh
01:14 / 28.05.05
"I've got a feeling no one likes me"

Ganesh, you're the professional here, what was she trying to achieve with that comment?


Heh, I just moderated my last post to take account of that.

Attack as defence. She was attempting to make whether-people-like-me the responsibility of those other people rather than herself ie. aggressively guilt-tripping them for expressing (or even thinking) dislike toward her.

When, in fact, her likeability (or lack of it) is Makosi's look-out, not other people's.
 
 
Ganesh
01:37 / 28.05.05
Makosi: "Your soul is something you don't have control over."

Mary: "Yes you do, if you're spiritually advanced, you can send it out, like astral projection."

Makosi: "You're not gonna do any, like, witchcraft, are you?"

Mary: "I'm a good witch? Why would I do anything bad?"

Makosi: "Can you fly?"
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:41 / 28.05.05
And "nobody ever listens to me" really supports that as if the people she's speaking to are somehow at fault for the aggression of her own address.

They've got on to the subject of witchcraft now and it's really interesting because I think they don't have really pre-disposed notions of the whole thing so it's becoming a bit of a question and answer session.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:41 / 28.05.05
Roberto: " Yes, she can fly, I think. "

The chemistry between those two !!!
 
 
Ganesh
01:47 / 28.05.05
Yes, the witchcraft Q&A is forcing me to pull back from my (rash?) initial position of Mary as Ganesh's Most Hated. I still think her schtick is more for effect than genuine conviction, but she's admitting "lacking in confidence" and talking about Big Brother coaxing her to crank up the hokey witchiness of her entrance to the house - and she's coming across as more likeable as a result.

Of course, contrasting her with Makosi does her and her belief system considerable favours...
 
 
Ganesh
01:52 / 28.05.05
Roberto's also fulfilling the function of crossover between the hets and the fags/hags, being the only straight bloke who's fraternising with the poofs and outsider (Christian and witch) women. In that sense, he's scored points over Derek, who initially seemed the most likely housemate to fill this role, because Derek's fucked off to bed early on the first 'bonding' night.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:56 / 28.05.05
Oh, I like that blue carpet and the orange seats, possibly my favourite BB interior decor so far. I'd thought the trio of brown-haired girls from earlier had gone to sleep but apparently they were hanging out with Science and Maxwell. I can't help but think BB made the right editing decision with that choice. I'm not really looking forward to Saskia, Lesley and Sam. Is that snobbish?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:56 / 28.05.05
It looks as if she's ( quite successfully, ) positioning herself as House Mum at the moment. I imagine the producers are going to have deal with this whole New Age vibe thing in fairly short order.

Even though it's beautiful.
 
 
Ganesh
02:01 / 28.05.05
Don't think so, Nina; I was just thinking that myself. It's interesting that, rather than dividing into Boys/Girls, the group seems to be fragmenting into Popular (Alpha?) Hets/Queer Weirdoes - the former occupying the settees in the large living room, the latter taking up residence in the more intimate garden snug.

Also quite nice to see that the Queer Outsiders are relatively articulate. Last year's equivalent was the Harem, which bonded through imbecility; this year, Mary, Makosi, Kemal, Craig and Roberto seemed to genuinely discuss stuff rather than just run around shrieking about lipgloss.
 
 
Ganesh
02:03 / 28.05.05
It looks as if she's ( quite successfully, ) positioning herself as House Mum at the moment.

Or even Earth Mum.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
02:07 / 28.05.05
Ooh the Alphas are approaching the Queer Outsiders (nice phrase, think I'll be using that one). Interesting dynamic as Maxwell perches in the doorway. The housemates are dividing in my mind, for the first time ever so early on, as people I would like to keep in the house and people that I'd rather not watch. It's quite an odd experience. Earlier I thought, yikes do I really want Makosi to stay in the house and then I was reminded that yes, actually I'd much rather have her then some of the others.
 
 
Ganesh
02:25 / 28.05.05
Fuckityfuck. Don't have cable (for another month, at least) so no more live coverage for moi. Mind you, the sky is getting light...

I kinda know what you mean about People I Want To Watch versus People I Don't Want To Watch, but our opinion this evening may be partly due to disproportionate coverage of half the group. Of course, this may well be because their discussion was more interesting; they certainly seemed to hop and skip through Sex, Religion and Politics, and when the shoutiness subsided a little, I think almost every one of the Queer Outsiders came across well. Previously hated housemates (Mary, Craig) redeemed themselves, and even Makosi improved latterly.

The Alpha Hets' conversation, on the other hand, from what I saw of it, seemed dominated by Maxwell and Science, with a lot of geezery posturing - and what seemed like the 3 Non Blondes gazing on dumbly.

It's interesting that the Queer Outsiders, usually token or minority, seems the more intriguing subgroup (with the cameramen apparently agreeing, despite the acres of boobage in the living room). Could it be that they'll be this year's mainstream, with the generic Non Blondes and geezers marginalised? Or is that too much of a Jarvis Cocker fantasy?
 
 
Ganesh
02:31 / 28.05.05
Yes, Moonpig Lesley confirmed as first housemate to get the baps oot.

A little later, Anthony suggested a three-way snog with Lesley and Vanessa, an idea that met with no resistance at all.

Would these be the bisexuals, then? Be still my beating ennui.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
06:35 / 28.05.05
"Why would I do anything bad?"



Eeep.
 
 
w1rebaby
07:35 / 28.05.05
I'm slightly less well-disposed towards Derek (Laud) after finding out a bit more about his Toryness; member of the Monday Club, mates with Neil Hamilton and others, worked to promote the apartheid government in the 80s, stuff like that. Tories are always more palatable when you don't have to look at what they actually do.
 
 
electricinca
10:00 / 28.05.05
I think the rule of the even numbered Big Brother being boring will hold true. All the housemates seemed to be trying very hard to stand out in their auditions as you would in order to get chosen and will turn out to be far less interesting than the producers hoped.

I think they (the BB producers) have moved from being evil last year to being pimptastic this year by packing the house with hypersexed heterosexual men and girls that purport to swing both ways. We have moved slowly year on year from a few fumbles under the bedclothes to full on intercourse (probably) under a table last year so it is finally time for the British BB orgy. It ain't going to fucking happen though is it.

It appears that Makosi finally understands her secret mission and intends to be "a real B word." Lots of nominations or few it doesn't matter as it is always the viewers votes that count, so if she were smart she'd try to be interesting for viewers. Perhaps being "a real B word" will work in this regard for her in any case.

The only hope this year is that BB will do something to liven things up and make the series interesting, because most of the contestants don't seem to be. I loved the whole evil concept of last year even though it was mostly evil-lite, but they couldn't repeat that again this year. I can only hope that they move forward in the concept rather than reverting to usual conventionality of the early BB series.
 
 
Ganesh
10:06 / 28.05.05
Tories are always more palatable when you don't have to look at what they actually do.

Sure, but we're on the other side of the looking glass now. Big Brother is such that one could airdrop Bin Laden into the house and one would think, "well, yeah he's responsible for all those needless deaths, but he seems quite a nice guy - and at least he's not flashing his tits".
 
 
Ganesh
10:25 / 28.05.05
I think the rule of the even numbered Big Brother being boring will hold true.

That's bollocks. Series 2 was the two-gayer one featuring Brian Dowling getting horribly horribly threatened by the presence of another Gay In The Village. It was much more interesting than the subsequent series. The odds/even thing is a non-rule.

All the housemates seemed to be trying very hard to stand out in their auditions as you would in order to get chosen and will turn out to be far less interesting than the producers hoped.

Yeah, the fools. You'd think they'd go for 12 people who didn't stand out in any way. Of course, the programme's producers could well be showing us a summary of excerpts which they feel summarise each individual into a snappy one-line concept...

I think they (the BB producers) have moved from being evil last year to being pimptastic this year by packing the house with hypersexed heterosexual men and girls that purport to swing both ways.

But they do that every year; studs and bi-swingers are the generic 'filler' of Big Brother and, almost entirely without exception, they consistently disappoint. The theme hasn't moved from "evil" to "pimp"; it's always been "pimp" and it's gradually become more "evil".

We have moved slowly year on year from a few fumbles under the bedclothes to full on intercourse (probably) under a table last year so it is finally time for the British BB orgy. It ain't going to fucking happen though is it.

Of course not. I don't think we've "moved slowly" onwards in terms of sexual stuff, particularly. Last year's supposed full-on penetrative stuff (yeah, rrright) wasn't exactly orgy material; I think it was more down to the Mollusc's unusual persistence in getting her man than any decision on the part of the producers (other than their decision to put her in the house, obviously).

I'm unsure as yet as to whether it's going to be interesting or boring. Last year's was made memorable, for me, by the sexual ambivalence of Spamboy and the maternal/predatory Dan (who, in the final reckoning wasn't predatory enough). On first sight, there's nothing of quite that ilk this year. They've got three homos in the house, sure, but they all seem to be the Brian/Marco gets-on-with-straight-women variety rather than the Dan gets-on-with-straight-men type, which is potentially more interesting. I've a feeling Kemal and Craig might just avoid the hets, hole up with the other Queer Outsiders and talk about love, sex and witchcraft for the next howevermany weeks - and Derek will have sublimated any erotic drive into distinctly Uncle Tom/Groucho Marx politicking.

I hope not. I hope there's at least some sexual frisson that doesn't involve manufactured baps-oot girl-on-girl synthjoy for the watching hetboys (and cameras).
 
 
Ganesh
10:32 / 28.05.05
Maxwell sayeth, "I'm sure that mincer in the Turkish outfit smokes, he must do."

Hmm. There's a fine line between Refreshing Non-PC Cockernee Geezer and Homophobic Cockernee Cunt. It's generally a good idea to at least attempt to make friends with said mincers (or, even better, be one) before wheeling out the hilariously 'direct' epithets...
 
 
Spaniel
10:42 / 28.05.05
Inca, just my feeling, but I think you're totally and utterly wrong on the evil front. I think they plan on being evil and then some.

Pointers:

1. Davina's first (and therefore important) comment to camera: "You didn't think we were planning on being good did you?"

2. The title credits: Jacob's Ladder type imagery. Hands and faces looming out of the darkness pressing pleadingly against the screen. Not nice.

3. The unlucky housemate device: rather a nasty start to the series, methinks.

4. Makosi's mission: introducing a task whereby someone has to work hard at being an unlikeable twat in order to immunise themselves against eviction, thereby ensuring that the consequences of all their arseholery be played out in full - doesn't spell friendlier Big Bro to me.

5. The glass bedroom wall: panopticon, anyone?

6. Davina's black dress and red lipstick: okay, I'm reaching, but the vampy look has predatory connotations.

What do the rest of you think?

Now then, about the Naughty Seat. Will it be used to discipline housemates in a Jo Frost stylee* - with potential long term benefits for the individual(s) concerned - or will it be used to piss people off and create tension? The latter seems far more likely?

*I appreciate that's what it will ostensibly be used for, but the reality might be very different
 
 
Ganesh
10:43 / 28.05.05
Speaking of the "mincer", Kemal has apparently claimed he'll be homeless when he leaves the flat, as his parents will disown him for cross-dressing.
 
 
Ganesh
10:50 / 28.05.05
Mary don't shower...

 
 
Mourne Kransky
10:57 / 28.05.05
Good point re glass bedroom wall, Boboss. The architecture and interior decor of the House always play a big part in shaping the interactions. Over months, having a glass wall to the bedroom, and outdoor washing /showering facilities, and the attic to squirrel yourself and your confrères away for a spot of plotting, will promote some evilisation.
 
 
Spaniel
11:00 / 28.05.05
The attic's interesting. If it's truly the only "private" space in the house then surely people visiting it too regularly (especially in groups) will be viewed with a degree of suspicion.
 
 
Spaniel
11:08 / 28.05.05
It'll certainly serve to highlight (and possibly reinforce) any nascent factions.
 
 
Warewullf
11:16 / 28.05.05
Maxwell wondered what her problem was. "I'm a very private person," argued Mary.

Perhaps not the best show to go on then, luv?
 
 
Warewullf
11:18 / 28.05.05
Anyone reckon Mary looks a lot like this lady from Ireland's One Direct Insurance?



She's looks a lot more like her in the TV ad.
 
 
Nobody's girl
12:23 / 28.05.05
Stuff gleaned from BB website about the housemates that intrigues me:

From Craig's bio- "He believes in Egyptian Gods." Perhaps that'll be a bond between him and Mary?

From Maxwell's bio- "Maxwell predicts he will be the alpha male of the House..." *sigh*

Roberto's favourite film is "Cinema Paradiso", bless.

Sam's favourite TV show is "U Are What U Eat", an eating disorder maybe?

Science's favourite book is "Secrets of Masons", another conspiracy theorist? Yet another opportunity for Mary to make a friend as well.
 
 
Spaniel
13:28 / 28.05.05
Warewullf, whilst I'm not going to get carried away with the she's an actress theory, Mary does smell a bit funny. I've never felt that way about a contestant before.
 
 
Spaniel
13:33 / 28.05.05
Buuuuut, to reiterate old wisdon, the BB team can choose between literally tens of thousands of weirdoes. Actors seem almost (almost) superfluous when you remember that.
 
 
Ganesh
13:43 / 28.05.05
Oh, please not the mole/plant/actor shit already...

Mary actually starting to piss me off again with her 'I feel vulnerable and exposed' stuff - all of which serves, handily enough, to make her a focus of 'don't worry, we all love you' reassurance from all and sundry.

I suspect she's suffering from the Mildly Kooky Fish in a Pond of Kooksterism thing.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:55 / 28.05.05
Yeah, as upsetting as this can be, I think it's important to accept that they really are like that, unless faced with glaring evidence to the contrary.

As Marco proved last year, being a twat beyond parody isn't in itself really quite enough.
 
 
Ganesh
14:00 / 28.05.05
Yeah, he never did shapechange, did he?
 
 
Ganesh
14:04 / 28.05.05


The (Atlantean) Kraken Wakes.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
14:15 / 28.05.05
I can't believe Derek did that going to bed early nonsense. First rule of Big Brother: stay up until you fall over. Because when you are not in the room, people can plot against you ...

And what was I thinking?? Of course Roberto can be a bridge/peacemaker - he's a frigging teacher! He's used to being with a bunch of demanding, egotistic immature people all day - and considering the young house this year, he's the perfect Daddy/Sir to parachute (sorry) in there.

I wonder who will be the first to develop a schoolgirl crush on him?
 
  

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