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The New Doctor Who

 
  

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DaveBCooper
12:32 / 06.04.05
I’m rather enjoying this series, I have to say. The Eccmeister’s always watchable, and to be fair, Billie’s better than one might really have expected. The tone and appearance of the show rather reminds me of ‘Crime Traveller’, anyone else remember that one ?

Love the idea that certain fans are scared the show’s being ‘gayed-up’. That shows a certain, very amusing though possibly tragic, mindset…

I’m no expert, but wasn’t there a thing in the Colin Baker series of Who – the one which featured the usual 3-to-4-episode tales with the framing device of him being on trial – where it turned out the prosecuting counsel was the thirteenth incarnation of the Doctor, or something like that ? I seem to recall there was something about the Doctor getting more evil as he went through incarnations, but I’m sure other people can confirm or deny.

And the whole series of BBC leaks and reports about who’s playing the role etc looks suspiciously like a plan to keep interest going. In the same way I wondered if they deliberately let the ‘microphone mistake’ mar the first episode so people might want to buy the unsullied, as-nature-intended, DVD release. Cynicism, I know, but…
 
 
sleazenation
13:01 / 06.04.05
There is no excuse for crime traveller.
 
 
gridley
13:03 / 06.04.05
I’m no expert, but wasn’t there a thing in the Colin Baker series of Who – the one which featured the usual 3-to-4-episode tales with the framing device of him being on trial – where it turned out the prosecuting counsel was the thirteenth incarnation of the Doctor, or something like that ? I seem to recall there was something about the Doctor getting more evil as he went through incarnations, but I’m sure other people can confirm or deny.

Yup, that's the Valeyard. See page three of this thread for more on him.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:31 / 06.04.05
Can you point me in the direction of these 'scared of the gayness' fans? I want to laugh and feel superior and then feel disgusted with myself for wanting to feel superior to other fans.
 
 
DaveBCooper
13:54 / 06.04.05
Oops, sorry for the Valeyard repetition; no wonder the idea seemed so fresh in my mind, I was stealing from someone else’s comments !
 
 
Bed Head
14:08 / 06.04.05
Our Lady: Dude, you can pick any one aspect - anything at all, real or imaginary - about the new show, and you’ll be able to find hundreds and hundreds of Dr Who fans to hate it. Try the Outpost Gallifrey forum, if you honestly think that’s going to be at all fun. They actually had to shut their board for several days last week, because so many fans there were getting angry and snarly and nasty over the news that Christopher Eccleston was leaving.

The 'scared of the gayness' thing is a *particularly* surreal objection, though.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
07:08 / 07.04.05
They'll be complaining about the lack of shakey sets and realistic aliens soon enough.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
21:20 / 07.04.05
My flatmate and the resident Doctor Who fanboy claims that Gallifrey actually exists outside of standard space-time and as such if it has been destroyed, it has always been destroyed.

Dunno about the accuracy of that, but sounds like a cool excuse for him not being able to go back and fix the problem. My other friend says that his "last timelord" status could explain why the Daleks always went after the Doctor enthusiastically.

Eh.
 
 
■
21:32 / 07.04.05
I may have to argue with him about it (and probably agree) next time I see him. Is he up to it, these days?
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
21:38 / 07.04.05
Spending mucho grande time at his parents lately, but a good plan. I'm also now addicted to the show. Would love to geek it up with you guys on a Saturday to watch it, as I'm sure Nobody's would.

Maybe you should message/call us? *ahem*
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
21:39 / 07.04.05
As far as Who gayness goes.... Ace? Anyone?

Doctor Who has been gay-friendly a lot longer than RTD's influence.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:09 / 07.04.05
Indeed. As the Sisterhood of Karn could tell you.
 
 
■
08:50 / 08.04.05
Well, there is always the possibility of my hosting a sneaky preview evening at some point... (just got eps3&5 on video.. squeeeeeeee!)
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
09:06 / 08.04.05
*shuddering with delight*

Yes, please! Just let us know when!
 
 
Bed Head
09:18 / 08.04.05
Oooh, so have you already seen the dalek episode then, cube?

And Doctor Who’s been *officially* gay since the Longleat convention in 1983, I believe. And that’s canon.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:34 / 08.04.05
In what sense was Ace gay? I'm willing to be persuaded but it's hardly self-evident...
 
 
■
09:52 / 08.04.05
Ummm... In Survival she was a bit over-friendly with a cat woman, but that's about it.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
09:57 / 08.04.05
Like I said, I'm not a Who-ite, but nearly everyone I speak to seems to say she was gay, but that it was kept off-screen. Apparently in the Ace novels or whatever they make it explicit.

I've seen pictures of her, and I'm not going to argue the point.
 
 
■
10:02 / 08.04.05
Hmmm. She was pretty straight until the hoothi killed the (male) love of her life.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:20 / 08.04.05
Yeah, and Willow was pretty straight until her werewolf boyfriend buggered off to Tibet. Bad writing can turn ANYONE gay. It's brilliant!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:28 / 08.04.05
In the New Adventures novels I've read, she's het. I've just been doing some research and I can't find anything to suggest otherwise.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:33 / 08.04.05
Tom Tit I Forget The Rest My flatmate and the resident Doctor Who fanboy claims that Gallifrey actually exists outside of standard space-time and as such if it has been destroyed, it has always been destroyed.

I presume that's using 'special logic' (ie: Stuff that exists only in his head)? It was in the real universe enough to get invaded in The Invasion of Time and attacked by Omega in The Three Doctors. After all, if it was always destroyed, how does the Doctor still exist? How does talking tree lady from last Saturday know of it?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:10 / 08.04.05
Possibly it just means you can't go back in time on Gallifrey and prevent its destruction - it is a single still point in a temporally mutable universe?

As for lesbian Ace... are we confusing "the New Adventures books" and "the New Adventures in my head"? I'm just asking... She certainly had naughtings with a bloke in one of those books, in a moment of MY EYES horror...
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
17:26 / 08.04.05
I really don't have enough invested in Who to argue either point, especially since it's not my opinion, but my flatmate's.

Still, makes sense to me for Gallifrey to exist outwith normal time. Perhaps not space. Maybe we'll find out.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:53 / 09.04.05
The Who is Doctor Who website just gets better.

We're being bombarded with proof of the supernatural. First it was killer dummies. Now millions of people are claiming to have heard a ghostly disembodied voice last weekend. Was it a warning from Forces Unknown of that disaster that was about to happen? We will never know!
People claim to have heard the voice say different things. "What do I do now?", "Where are we going?", and "Is this live?" have all been reported, but none of them can be verified. All have a BURNING SIGNIFICANCE to our times.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:52 / 09.04.05
Hmmm, good episode tonight. Interesting that Simon Callow has now played Dickens in three seperate BBC-Dickens related shows, it's like the BBC are contracted to use him no matter what. But the scene with the Doctor and Dickens in his carriage was just wrong, the Doctor may like humans but he's not chummy with them or in awe of them like that. But otherwise it was all right.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
18:00 / 09.04.05
I always love the prompt-ness of these threads!

This was good and fun, I was mainly struck by how much more effective the effects.... a-ha, were in this episode. I didn't look like they were reaching so much. Not so in yr face, and more integrated in to the whole as a result. But then the whole look of it - all the period dressing, is something the BBC are more accustomed to doing well as a whole.

Well done Mr. league of gentleman fella! I also appreciated that he loves this period stuff so much that he had his portrait painted dressed in the sort of garb feautured in tonights episode...

Very nice! Next one looks good too, more full on... is it the first two parter?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:27 / 09.04.05
That was so good. So good. Right now, I can't think of a single thing it got wrong.

Suedey> I think that maybe part of the reason why the CG effects were more, well, effective this week than they have been previously was because everything was transparent. It's much easier to have stuff like that imposed on top of live action footage than it is to try and insert something solid and supposedly real into a scene.

The only way next week's stands a chance of being as good (what with the return of Shit Boyfriend and also presumably Shit Mum, and it being a second present day story so early in the series) is if those army dudes the Doctor was ordering around in the trailer turn out to be from UNIT.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
18:37 / 09.04.05
Yet another hint about the Time War... nice. I'm watching this mostly for the hints at the moment, I like the build up but I really hope it goes somewhere this season.
SFX wise I agree, everything flowed together much better this time (than ep 1, I still loved ep2 more).
Perhaps this is a revisitation of Doctor Who favourites, including the army in next episode gives me Brigadier flashbacks, I'd love for there to be a "Oh I know a guy in the army who can help me out" type moment next episode.
 
 
doozy floop
18:57 / 09.04.05
From way back:

I was wondering if there are any new Who fans liking this, I've never watched any Dr Who before and so far I'm really not liking this. Clunky is the word that springs to mind... Maybe you need some previous knowledge to enjoy it?

I've never seen any Doctor Who whatsoever before this series and I have to say, I find myself rather pleased by it. It's exactly what I want from early Saturday night: cheeky silly running-around-screaming playing dress-up too much jelly-and-ice-cream Eccleston-filled fun. I love Christopher Eccleston (but I love him in everything anyway), and there are silly aliens, lots of explosions, tears, laughter, the Simons Callow and Pegg... yup, it just makes me happy.
 
 
sleazenation
19:24 / 09.04.05
Well, I don't think own the BBC own the license for UNIT... (From what I recall, it's the same sort of deal as with the Daleks)... It could well be that they are just regular army...
 
 
Brigade du jour
21:25 / 09.04.05
Pegg? Pegg!? Where was Pegg? I must have missed him. I saw him in Guest House Paradiso last week, too.

Hmm was that threadrot? Ah not really, I really want to know which episode he was in.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
21:48 / 09.04.05
It's coming later, you'll notice.
 
 
Brigade du jour
22:05 / 09.04.05
Phew! Thanks Suedey! I was just thinking to myself, 'Self, we've only missed the first five minutes tonight out of the whole series, who does Pegg think he is, Alfred Hitchcock?'
 
 
miss wonderstarr
22:22 / 09.04.05
This show is getting better and better. Today's episode crammed so much expertly-balanced, brilliantly-handled material into a short space: classic BBC period drama, convincing science fiction of ideas as well as effects, fucking frightening horror, clever intersection with literary biography, perfect dovetailing into Victorian melodrama.

The use of real historical celebs in fiction can be very clever-clever and knowing (eg. Shakespeare in Love, with every other character coining a famous phrase) but the idea that witnessing other worlds revived Dickens' passion for humanity just before his death was ironic yet touching, convincing and life-affirming, even though it was born out of his encounter with SF horror. The way the Victorian characters engaged with the Gelf as angels or demons, fitting aliens into their ready-made Christian framework, was also perfect and "right", intelligent rather than just smart-arse.

There were a ton of interesting ideas, but it was all carried by character -- the script giving space for conversations, and the performances making you care almost immediately about people you'd just met, as well as about the Doctor and Rose with their clearly deepening relationship. Fascinating moral questions emerging from arguments during action scenes, with the pace never slipping.

As noted at the start, one of the really unexpected aspects of this episode for me was that it would have scared the living shade out of me if I'd been watching it alone in the dark.

I genuinely sense we are getting classic TV in the making here, something people will look back on nostalgically in decades to come. I feel it's at least as good right now as X-Files at its best, and I also suspect it's better than Doctor Who ever was before.
 
  

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