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The New Doctor Who

 
  

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Gypsy Lantern
08:35 / 01.04.05
I've said it before, but I still think Shane MacGowan would make a great Dr Who. I see no reason why the Dr shouldn't regenerate into an incoherent barely understandable drunk with occasional infrequent flashes of genius. Within a few episodes the Tardis would be trashed and function mostly as a kind of interdimensional roaming pissup filled with various unsavoury characters who he's picked up throughout space and time. These would be his companions, but he wouldn't really know who most of them were, and would constantly leave them stranded in places that they shouldn't be. Daleks would be defeated by pouring lager over them. K9 would be revived and used as type of sentient mobile ashtray. The next Doctor after him would have to spend half his time apologising to people for his predecessors behaviour and trying to convince everyone he meets that he's honestly not the same Doctor and it's OK.
 
 
Spaniel
08:38 / 01.04.05
If so, it's a bloody boring one
 
 
Spaniel
08:39 / 01.04.05
Last response to Haus
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:55 / 01.04.05
I am hurt.
 
 
Spaniel
09:04 / 01.04.05
I quite like the idea of a young doctor, but I have to agree with Whiskey. A woman would be good.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:36 / 01.04.05
I agree with Gypsy Lantern.
 
 
ghadis
12:52 / 01.04.05
I think the new Dr Who should be a puppet but with everyone else live. Like Basil Brush or Sooty.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:56 / 01.04.05
Emu for Doctor! Just so that when the Master is about to unleash his master plan the Doctor disables him by going for his crotch.
 
 
ghadis
15:52 / 01.04.05
Actually Rod Hull would've been an exellent choice if he hadn't fallen off his roof. How's about Jimmy Saville? I like my Dr Whos old and creepy so Jimmy would be grand. There could be an episode where Billie Piper finds a hidden room in the Tardis and realises that Dr Who has been sleeping with the rotting corpse of his dead mother. Be a great cliffhanger ending as she enters the room to find the Dr banging away. Close up of Billies horrified face. Cue music. Perfect.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:01 / 01.04.05
Ah yes, Jimmy Saville - It would be good, but I don't know if whatever hypothetical, and to be clear, not legally substantiated, use he might theoretically be inclined to put his time-travelling powers to would necessarily be something the Saturday teatime audience was ready for, to be honest.

Eg,

Opening scence, Soho in the Sixties, busy traffic, it's swinging, a young model steps out into the road.

"'Ow's about that then ?"

"But Doctor, the daleks..."

"I'll be back before you know it, luv ( pats the side of the Tardis. ) The old girl's built for the short trips y'know, as well as the long 'uns."
 
 
Whisky Priestess
21:59 / 01.04.05
Further thoughts (not just because I'm currently watching Day of the Dead):

Zombie Who
Vampire Who
Werewolf Who
Witch Who
Golem Who
Elf Who

Gotta catch 'em all!
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
23:05 / 01.04.05
(bloody obvious) Eddie Izzard

(incredibly safe) Tony Head

(a little left field, but exciting) Chris Morris

(perect female Doctor) Tilda Swinton, if she was a little older

(female, primed and ready) Celia Imrie

(fantasy female Doctor) Helen Mirren. Oh-ohhhhhhh...

Eccleston's a twat. "Ooooh, I might get typecast" - he begged for this role! He endured eighteen months of media hype and speculation and an enormous shooting schedule, only to pull out now?! What did he think playing the Doctor was going to be like? Where was his head? What a tosser. The only occasion I've ever seen where the fanboys deserve to give an actor a kicking.
 
 
iamus
23:46 / 01.04.05
I do think it's a little off. You sign up for a serial like this, you should be willing to put in more than one season's worth.

I really like him in the role. I think he comes off a little too quirky and bemused sometimes, but that's only going from the first episode and I'm willing to let him get on with it and grow into the role a bit. But knowing that he's leaving kind of defeats the point in investing in his character seeing as a couple of episodes down the line we're going to have to get acclimatised to a whole new Doctor.

He did seem a bit nervous and odd on Jonathon Ross. I wonder if this was why.
 
 
iamus
23:48 / 01.04.05
Chris Morris.

Thats an idea I never would have thought of in a million years. But it makes a beautiful kind of sense.
 
 
iamus
23:51 / 01.04.05
Oh I'll go for a hat-trick here...

Eccleston's already fairly entrenched in the "Grim Northerner" role. You would have thought a year or two like this could only be benificial to his career.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:55 / 02.04.05
Guitar Wolf.

Eccelston surely just highlights the danger of employing someone who actually has a career?
 
 
■
14:39 / 02.04.05
Back from holiday and into the fray (parents have dialup)!
How many regenerations does Who have left now? 4 right?
Weeeelll, no to get too fanboy, but it depends how you count them. Does he have 12 regenerations (ie. 13 personas) or just the 11 meaning 12 in all. Also, the Hartnell/Troughton should strictly be referred to as a rejuvenation (as it was in the series) so that's one less to count. However, those who were still (god help us) watching during the Colin Baker years will remember that the Doctor's final regeneration ended up as the nasty Valeyard (Trial of a Time Lord arc). Not sure if it was made clear that this was final or 12th.
Another big BUT, though is that the Master managed to use his connection with the Source of Traken and the host body of Tremas (Nyssa's dad) to go beyond his 12th regeneration, so it's possible the Valeyard (being nasty) might have also used such a trick.
Given that RTD wants to break with the past a little, though, it's possible he doesn't give a stuff about all this. Ooh, only an hour to go. I do hope no-one has half-inched my DVD of eps 2 and 3 by the time I get back to work and claim it....
What was that about being a fanboy? Naaaahh. I love getting geek points.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:25 / 02.04.05
I'm inclined to think that Eccleston thought this was a TV show for little kiddies, he went for this project because RTD was involved and, from listening to him in interviews he seemed to be fairly clueless to the history and the fans. So I think he thought he was getting involved with something which would be mostly ignored except for the quality of RTD's scripts and the quality of his acting and nothing more would be heard.

I'd be interested to know whether he was killed off in Cracker because he wanted to leave or whether Jimmy McGovern always intended the storyline to go that way.
 
 
■
15:44 / 02.04.05
Spot on. He betrayed a complete lack of awareness about the show in his interviews (referring to new villains as old favourites, etc) which is, I think, a strength in his portrayal, but really fucks up the franchise...
 
 
■
16:47 / 02.04.05
Oh, but who gives a shit when it gets as good as THAT? Davies is a genius. The odd rumple, yes it's a kids' programme, but it's ace. So, they're sticking with the books/McGann history, it seems. Interesting, but not nearly as interesting as an SF programme reminding you how good just being alive can be. Chips, anyone?
 
 
hanabius yamamura
17:18 / 02.04.05
re Chips, anyone?

... totally agree with you - who indeed gives a shit when a Dr Who episode is as good as that one was

... first time ever Dr Who brought a tear to my eye ( i.e. the last 5 minutes of the episode) ... sad but true ... lovin' it though

h x
 
 
hanabius yamamura
17:23 / 02.04.05
ps meant to add - even made the sci-fi hatin' wife greet

h x
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:36 / 02.04.05
Really glad to read these comments. Usually I curl my lip to read Barbelith saps confessing "I was in tears on the bus halfway through that comic book" but after only one glass of wine, I too felt the liquid that humans call tears at the corner of one eye during the final scenes of this episode.

Not entirely sure why but I really enjoyed it. Seemed extremely indebted to Restaurant at the End of the Universe with the alien costumes not much improved, with bonus spyders from Minority Report...but charming nonetheless, and never far from a chuckle at its own expense.

Ecclestone at first seemed a bit too raised-eyebrow, corrugated-brow, dopey grin clownish when performing for others, but on his own he switched into a focused, coldly competent mode that by the end made a lot of sense. His big, showy gooning is, apparently, a front that he flashes up to distract others, perhaps to distract himself, from the tragedy of being a lonely wanderer -- part of his role, as he sees it, is to jolly everyone else along and keep their spirits up. He's made himself a bit of an emotional counsellor, responsible for breaking sad news and cheering his companions in the face of disaster, as well as a practical fix-it man. In fact, the innocent beaming may just be a clever disguise, creating a sense of false security -- because when he dealt with Cassandra, a charismatic, unapologetic arrogance shone through in its place.

Rose's accent is a bit 1940s cockney, not quite convincing, but I like her curvy, solid shape and in that final scene there was lovely cheeky chemistry between them, making you envy him despite being the last of his kind.
 
 
sleazenation
17:59 / 02.04.05
So, is the war that destroyed Gallifrey something that happened off-screen in one of the novels between 1990 and 2005?
 
 
■
18:19 / 02.04.05
Not sure. It's referred to in the DWM summary of the McGann Doctor. I'll look into it. I gave up a long time ago on the novels. Which is a shame, as it means I missed the Gatiss ones.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:23 / 02.04.05
I thought there was one Doctor who, through some scriptwriter's cackhandedness, "wasted" some of his incarnations by cycling through a few different bodies and faces before settling on the next scheduled actor. Am I imagining this? If true, is it treated as non-canon?
 
 
hanabius yamamura
18:32 / 02.04.05
re I thought there was one Doctor who, through some scriptwriter's cackhandedness, "wasted" some of his incarnations by cycling through a few different bodies and faces before settling on the next scheduled actor. Am I imagining this? If true, is it treated as non-canon?

... wasn't that Romana ( i.e. post-Mary Tamm pre-Lalla Ward ) at the start of the season post-Key of Time?

h x
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
18:56 / 02.04.05
Argh, do they have to include the books as canon? It's enough with all the previous series' and shoe-horning McGann in there too.

I think they're going somewhere with the whole "War" thing though. I fully expect it to be visited at some point in the new series (or maybe season 2).

Does anyone else see Sharon from Eastenders wen looking and listening to Billie's Rose? It's really off-putting.

Definitely starting to enjoy this series now, I wasn't so sure last week but it's warming on me considerably with each new show.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
19:27 / 02.04.05
Oh one minor gripe... why have they gotten rid of the middle eight in the theme music? It's just wrong!
 
 
Bear
19:53 / 02.04.05
I was wondering if there are any new Who fans liking this, I've never watched any Dr Who before and so far I'm really not liking this. Clunky is the word that springs to mind... Maybe you need some previous knowledge to enjoy it?
 
 
■
20:33 / 02.04.05
Well, what we're (as fans) hoping is that kids will get it and prefer it to Ant and Dec... the signs are good. Anyone over the age of 20 who is not already hooked can probably count themselves out as a target audience.


Would you be watching TV on a Saturday evening, anyway?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:37 / 02.04.05
After only one glass of wine, I too felt the liquid that humans call 'tears' at the corner of one eye.

Dude, however ironically the above was intended ( I'm assuming heavily, ) there is a thin line between us guys on here being into this stuff because we're post-mod, fashionable and ace, and us guys being on here because we like to wear Star Trek uniforms out socially.

It's a thin line, but it's never, ever to be crossed, otherwise everyone's doomed

Saying this as I order a flagon of ale from the wench at the bar, and if teh bitch says anything, I'll get out my sword plus fucking 2. Or three.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:01 / 02.04.05
I've never really been a Whovian before (though sadly I know the term). I enjoyed reading the Who sections in Tulloch and Jenkins' Science Fiction Audiences, which I really recommend as accessible academia, but when I got a geek of my acquaintance to lend me tapes of "Kinda" and "Monster of Peladon" I found watching them a lot duller than reading transcripts of intelligent fans enthusing about them.

So apart from fond memories of Baker-era "Talons of Weng-Chiang" and its like, I had never really enjoyed sitting through Who.

Until tonight. I really dug this episode. I don't know if that makes me retroactively a Who fan, or if it's this incarnation I am connecting with -- whether the interesting and charming things about this programme are part of the mythos as a whole and typical of the character across all his incarnations.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
01:16 / 03.04.05
That was very good indeed. I bloody loved it.

Bar a few minor quibbles, natch. Those lamenting the days of wobbly sets should be appeased by the wobbly set-ness of the inane Eccleston grin; while the music was thankfully not half as intrusive as last week, there was one bit which was completely out of place; I'm waaay past bored with seeing SF movies and series do the obligatory platform game scene.

But everything else was spot on. Effects were astonishingly good for a BBC show, but they still had the good sense to make the observation station look like it was made from a syringe. Cheeky nod to that storyline with Tom Baker's Doc, where he's on a syringe-based spacecraft full of the last remnants of humanity, all off on a big migration to another planet, and where he gets chased around by that maggoty thing that turns into a giant antalien? I reckon so, and even if it isn't I'm still going to claim it is. So ner.

Almost everything that was wrong with the first episode was right in this one. Pacing was intelligent. Acting and writing were of a much higher standard. The threat was threatening and not so obviously just the coathanger for the moral or the larger story arcs. Graham Norton didn't ad-lib his own part. And many other things which I've temporarily forgotten because it's late and I'm knackered.

Mainly, though, it felt exactly like Doctor Who should and like it used to at its best.

I hope that they don't get sidetracked with that war stuff. There's not any great need for us to know a huge amount more about it than we already do. I'd hate to see the series get bogged down in the mud of Big Continuity.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
07:59 / 03.04.05
One thing that I think shows the War will be visited in some form or another.
The Doctor makes two mentions of things ending only when it is their time (Earth and something else, I forget) but when talking about the demise of Gallifrey he said it was "before it's time".
Just a thought.
 
  

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