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The New Doctor Who

 
  

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sleazenation
11:40 / 15.03.05
So, you've seen the New Doctor Who by fair means or foul and want to talk about it, well here is the place. Like the title says, here be spoilers, so for those that care about such things, you'd probably best go elsewhere though it's probably too late for that now...


So, what did people think of the first episode - were you impressed by the SFX? How about the Autons?

Anyone else curious if we'll find anything else about the war the Doctor mentioned and discover what part he played in it?
 
 
_Boboss
12:12 / 15.03.05
good idea that man.

the sfx were okay in that bbcheap digital kinda way (not as irritating as the fx in zulti-zillion pound production blackhawk down by ridley suckingyankeecockscott t'other night) - the thing with the show was that they seemed aware of the budget and careful not to go too far beyond its bounds, and with a few fast cuts and close-ups they succeeded in giving the production a much bigger feel than the relatively few sets and locations otherwise might.

autons, can't go wrong really, just a classy baddie who will always look creepy and silly at once. wasn't even disappointed by the morphing digihead thing near the end, it looked alright really (i don't like to bitch about things like that - people who bug about that are missing the fact that you won't care about bad fx if the script and acting are good). the bit where the two of them are wrestling with a dummy's arm in her front room? there was fifty, a hundred ways that scene could have gone wrong, but it didn't. ditto with the boyfriend, the scene in the bistro where it all goes wrong and too-funny - that's the scariness, headless plasticmen with spatula arms causing trouble during dinnertime. that was the 'early buffy' feel to me encapsulated, yep the villains are dumb, yep we're going to take them seriously and yep you will be sucked in.

the war thing, reckon that could be the death of mcgann, though post-regenerative amnesia may rule that out - judgng from the ep mcgann can only have bought it a few hours or mirror-less days ago. not sure about the whole timeLORD thing there - the character was given like a mission, a position and authority for the first time ever really. that's what'll annoy the hardcore fans the most i reckon, they don't want his dandy flouncing to have a wider, officially sanctioned purpose and i can kind of see their point.

ecclestone was good though, florid and funny and even a teeny bit tough, another first maybe. his speech 'i can feel the earth move' was a bit forced but necessary for bringing folk up to speed on the fact that this dude really is a bit different from ye and me. the tardis good also i thought, designs by bry 'the bitch' hitch, and, if you ask me, them big girders cum tuning forks have got his pencil all over them. i spotted the hatstand in the corner, but the interior should have another door in it to give a sense of 'other spaces', y'know kitchens bedrooms and stuff.

and can't stress how good i thought billie was - really impressed, seemed to make the script sound a lot more natural than i actually think it was. the ditching of her family was a bit too quickly turned in, but,

SPECULOILERS

mate who was present for filming of final scene reckons there was several expensive shots that weren't in the first ep, so maybe rose and the doc are going to go back there later in the series to sort something out, perhaps after he's been to kennedy's assassination, krakatoa and the titanic.

the only reservation - i wasn't really creeped out, there wasn't a good sustained freak and chase-scene, or enough innocent on-screen deaths. that's cool, let davies do the froth, got mark gatiss and that waiting in the wings for the dark ones.
 
 
■
12:27 / 15.03.05
One thing I noticed that I hope they don't bother sorting out is that the Nestene is supposed to have a voice (check the credits). I think having the Doctor able to understand glooping and roaring is a much better idea. I loved it.
 
 
Catjerome
19:29 / 15.03.05
I was creeped out (I'm also a huge wuss, though). The first scene of the plastic dummies coming to life in the shop basement had me squirming and yelling "Don't go down there!"

Christopher Eccleston was so light and whimsical! When I first saw the publicity shots with the leather jacket and the close-cropped haircut, I was concerned that the role would be all heavy-heavy-Matrix-style grim serious. So pleased that it was the opposite.
 
 
sleazenation
19:46 / 15.03.05
Cat - I hope you were suitably situated hiding behind the sofa while you watch
 
 
Whisky Priestess
22:46 / 15.03.05
Where and when is this on? I know I should know ...
 
 
■
18:42 / 21.03.05
Ahem. DVD arrived today. So far only a few things to say about how it varies from t'internet copy:
1) Intro music is much better
2) Colour is frigging superb. They must have done a lot of post production.

and the previews of the Daleks... PROPER X-RAY EXTERMINATIONS. eep.
and little blue men. eeeep.
[Gets very excited about the next one]
 
 
■
18:54 / 21.03.05
Ooh, ooh, it's got bits from the next one at the end!!!
EEEEEEEEE
These aliens are great, and the human is even better. Look out for a wonderful Dune tribute. Must. Shut. Up. Now.
 
 
■
19:02 / 21.03.05
...and a press trailer with lots of other bits! Simon Pegg, Richard Wilson, Simon freaking Callow! The OXO mum! I must lie down right now. There is NO WAY AT ALL this is going to disappoint.
 
 
reFLUX
20:13 / 21.03.05
how the hell did you people get advanced copies?
it don't go out 'till Saturday?????????????
 
 
■
20:27 / 21.03.05
i) Dodgy Downloads.
ii) Power of the Press. There are compensations for reading shit about handbags for 8 hours a day.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:31 / 21.03.05
Simon Callow? Damn. High class stuff here.
 
 
■
20:38 / 21.03.05
I don't think I'm giving too much away by saying his episode seems to be set in [ahem] Dickensian London. Oh, these people loved Baker Who. Shame they couldn't force Billie into an old Louise Jameson costume.
 
 
sleazenation
22:05 / 21.03.05
No cube, I assure you that you don't want to see that...

I like the idea of a S&M bondage dalek, as featured in one of the trailers, chained up and begging to be punished
 
 
■
22:45 / 21.03.05
Sorry for whoring up this thread so much (excited again; can't sleep), but I've just realised the whole second episode is going to be a kind of homage to Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator. Scram!
 
 
sleazenation
23:07 / 21.03.05
I saw the dodgy downloads with what seems like an earlier temporary mix of the theme music judging from the what I've heard on the various trailers...
 
 
sleazenation
22:41 / 25.03.05
So, today is the day and I'm still excited to see the first broadcast of an episode I've already seen... Even C4 appear to be helping promote Dr Who (though they couldn't admit it) by broadcasting the Dalek Invasion of Earth 2150AD on friday.

Yay!
 
 
Lama glama
12:45 / 26.03.05
I can hardly hold my sides in. I couldn't sleep last night, due to waiting for the new series to start. It was like some sort of weird, anorak Christmas Eve. There's a whole day of classic Who on UKTV Gold today, which should tide me over until tonight's 7 pm premier.

Did anybody else see the interview on last night's Jonathon Ross?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
17:11 / 26.03.05
I'd like to be the first to offer my heartfelt congratulations to the BBC for fucking up their most important new schedule launch of the last few years by getting confused and forgetting to turn the microphones off in the Strictly Dance Fever studio. A resounding success.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:35 / 26.03.05
I'll fight anyone who isn't feeling this right now. Though you'll have to wait until I find whoever didn't turn Grahame Norton's mike off.

"Oy! I'm talking!"
 
 
The Strobe
17:40 / 26.03.05
Yes, that was very embarassing, wasn't it?

It's not bad. It's suitably daft, and doest at least understand how ridiculous the fundamental concept is. Also, I loved the killer wheelie bins for no dsicernable reason. CGI certainly passable enough, and the TARDIS is fun.

Not sure about Ecclestone. He captures the gaucheness, but he's just too enthusastic for my liking. Fantastic!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:50 / 26.03.05
Eccleston looks like he fits in anywhere, all the other Doctor's stuck out like sore thumbs, but trying to imagine Eccleston dressed up weirdly, I just can't do it. I hope they continue to emphasise the alien-ness of the Doctor, it just works.

And it all just shows why the American TV movie just missed the point so much.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:56 / 26.03.05
A lot of the potential scariness absolutely ruined by that one blunder, which happened at exactly the wrong time. Ms Piper stumbling around in the basement, the viewer supposed to be having the willies inserted upwards.

Piper: Who's there?
Off-screen: lots of laughter and applause.
Viewer: Oh, it's a surprise party.
Norton: Can you hear me?
Viewer: Oh, it's not a surprise party.

I feel really sorry for all involved, to be honest. There was so much resting on that opening - the introduction of both main characters *and* the villains of the piece, the only real moment of suspense being pushed right to the front of the show so that they could focus on the humour for the remaining half and hour - and it ended up failing, not because there was anything wrong with the show itself.

I really wish I'd downloaded and watched it beforehand.

Got a proper, out-loud laugh with Eccleston's cheerful "it's a disguise!" explanation for the Tardis' appearance.

Nice chemistry between him and Piper. Looks dead promising, that - real sense of friendship and love there.

Hope they cut back on the music in the other episodes. There wasn't a scene in it that wasn't scored in some way. Overdone, like they didn't have enough confidence in the script or acting to carry the drama. The music itself was also pretty identikit, which made it worse.

Seen it get praise for its pace, but I thought it was maybe a little too fast. I understand why they did it like that - it's only the intro, after all, and they obviously didn't want to risk losing anyone to a lull in the action along the way - but, again, it betrayed a slight lack of trust in the characters, actors, etc. Pacey in order to try and give off an air of confidence, but it came across more nervous than anything else.

The Autons didn't feel right. Go back to the big Pertwee Autons story - they've got a horrible slimy, sweaty look to them in that one. That's the terror, the frightening shit, the feeling that something's not quite right. The Lovecraftian creeping horror.

On that note, Mark Benton's character was dealt with perfectly. Absolutely spot on. Give us someone we like, then kill them in their moment of triumph. Nasty. In contrast, I couldn't give a stuff about whether or not Rose's mum came out of her shopping experience in one piece. Just a really bland character - if somebody's going to be put in a position of mortal danger in Who, it has to be someone the audience likes or someone they hate. Not a non-person.

Are we not getting any cliffhangers with this series? If so, that's a real shame, as the cliffhanger was one of the fundamental things that gave old Who its suspense and draw. Even if you knew that nobody important was actually going to die (although, that said, there was always the slight chance that a companion would cop it).

Disagree with you about Eccleston's enthusiasm, Paleface, but do feel that the permanent grin felt noticably forced in a few places.

A decent enough way to waste forty-odd minutes, but it didn't feel special to me. The program earlier on in the evening had me all pumped, as did the Ross interview last night (that montage of clips was brilliant), and Eccleston's comments about what the series is about got me choked up. The first ep itself didn't live up to that vibe of excitement.

Next week's, though - that looks very good indeed, and much more the sort of thing that I want from this series. Just don't overdo the music, pleeeease.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:52 / 26.03.05
In contrast, I couldn't give a stuff about whether or not Rose's mum came out of her shopping experience in one piece.

Yeah but if you did than you wouldn't understand why Rose ran in to the Tardis.

I thought this was a good first episode of Dr. Who after a break of years. I've been trying and trying not to build this up... Sophie Aldred was my next door neighbour when I was a kid so Dr. Who has always been a very significant thing and we watched it religiously. I've come to the conclusion that I suceeded because I really enjoyed it- they played it perfectly, just the right balance of wicked flippant blase humour and not enough time to compare to past Doctors and sidekicks. Hurrah! If only it had been two hours rather than 40 minutes, then I might have been satisfied!
 
 
sleazenation
20:27 / 26.03.05
Like nina - i wanted more - but what the hey - we've got another 12 episodes to go - any word yet on viewing figures?
 
 
sleazenation
20:55 / 26.03.05
So, are people going to download this now they've seen it?
 
 
Brigade du jour
21:42 / 26.03.05
Ooh I really enjoyed this! But I'm not a Doctor Who fan at all so my opinion is ... virginal, at best.

Plus, I'm a total dunce - I didn't even realise that 'surprise party' noise was a cock-up. I honestly thought it was diegetic, and therefore it actually made the scene more unsettling for me. See, being a dunce can pay off sometimes!

Second episode looks way better, actually. I think they'll go with the cliffhangers at least once or twice. No evidence for that, it's just an instinct.
 
 
Lama glama
21:45 / 26.03.05
There have been two cliff-hangers officially confirmed, as far as I can tell. One, I believe features that alien space ship and Big Ben, which is featured in most trailers for the show.

I'm going to assume that the second one will be near the end of the series.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:53 / 26.03.05
I absolutely loved it. Ecclestone coming on like a cross between David Thewlis in Naked and King Mob... very classy.

Although whoever made the Norton mic blunder needs castrating with hammers, 'tis true.

The one bit that I absolutely hate hate hated was the belching wheelie-bin. Far too Benny Hill.

Other than that, I thought it was fucking wicked. More later when I've watched it again fully awake (rather than waking up, watching it then going back to sleep).
 
 
The Strobe
21:55 / 26.03.05
There are three two-part episodes confirmed for this series.

Alltold, I enjoyed, partly because of the pace and structure; I think Davis writes the soapy aspects - Rose's homelife, her boyfriend - best of all. You think her Mum's a floozy and a vacant character, but you do develop concern for her - which promptly goes, just as Rose's does, the moment we find she's still alive.

Not dealing with the Doctor regenerating was also a good move; he's here, he's in a new body he's not used to, that's all you need to know. In fact, I loved the explanation of the Tardis - you don't need, for the series, to know anything about folding spacetime or wormholes - you just need to know that it disappears, it reappears somewhere else. Thought that was handled very elegantly; reducing certain aspects of history to a bare minimum. Also, good that they explained what the hell a Police callbox was; Spatula is right on the whole disguise thing.

I still love the wheeliebins.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:45 / 26.03.05
Yeah but if you did than you wouldn't understand why Rose ran in to the Tardis.

I still don't. Well, I do, but not the way it was played or written here. It's not like her mum was a bad person, or making her life a misery, or trouble to live with. She was just a fairly normal, boring woman. That doesn't explain the ease with which the decision to run off was made.

(On that: what was that daft slow motion thing all about at the end? Did they stick it all together and suddenly realise they had an extra seven seconds they needed to fill?)

Like nina - i wanted more

Me too, in a way, but at the same time I also wanted less. I can't shake the feeling that this particular story - if it was ever to be a proper story, rather than just a quick, breezey and otherwise pointless intro - would have benefitted from maybe being split and expanded into three twenty-five minute sections. There was a decent enough plot struggling to breathe, but the desire to squidge it all into one forty-five minute blast made it feel inconsequential. Not saying that I want hugely deep and meaningful from the series, just that it came across to me as being under-developed.

I'm glad that there are going to be at least a couple of multi-parters here. I think the best way to use the single episodes would be as alien travelogues, storylines without any huge threat or danger, which is a massive part of why I'm looking forwards to next week's. Hoping that the writing's intelligent enough to recognise that you can have fun and exciting SF without having to keep on introducing life or death threats, and that when you do want to put some life or death threats in there, you'll need more than three quarters of an hour to make the audience really feel them.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:43 / 27.03.05
I assume that the time length they are is with an eye to an American transmission, as they are about the same length as things like the West Wing or B5 when you watch them on video or DVD.

I was a bit disappointed with the treatment of her boyfriend, a bit too much of the 'I'm dumping you 'cos you're a big girly coward' but to be honest, did any of us think Rose wasn't getting in that TARDIS? I think we were supposed to think she was feeling restless, stuck in a rut, so would leap at the opportunity the Doctor represented, I think that was very difficult to represent in the time available and it didn't work. I do wonder whether it might have been better to kill off her mother and a boyfriend so she has nothing to stay for, but considering that it seems the BBC won't let anyone human be killed on-screen in this, perhaps that was considered too gruesome.

And two-parters? Episodes 4/5, 9/10 and 12/13 do you?
 
 
Benny the Ball
08:21 / 27.03.05
Found the dialogue a bit clunky, and the boyfriend a bit of a ham (only worked when he was a replica). Was the little move with the playing cards an attempt to suggest that the doctor had regenerated from Sylvester McCoy to Christopher Eccleston?
 
 
DavidXBrunt
10:39 / 27.03.05
I don't think she dumped him because he was a coward but rather that he was a bit crap, really. After spending a few seconds checking she was alright after potentially being caught up in the shops explosion what did he do? Naffed off down the pub for the football. Why stay with someone like him?

Anyway I liked it. A lot. That about sums it up for me.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
11:00 / 27.03.05
I figured the thing that really swung it for her, with regards to her leaving, was when he came back and mentioned they could travel through time...
 
  

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