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Well gee, Jack, m'boy, I don't know what to say. If you genuinely feel, son, that I'm in the wrong, and that 33 is more sinned against then sinning, who am I to argue? Maybe I forced 33 to make racist remarks using my telepathic powers? Or, okay, no, that's unlikely, maybe I somehow fooled or tricked him into saying something that might be wrongly interpreted as bigotted by wicked people?
Or, alternatively, maybe:
1) We've had any number of threads in the Music forum about the same subject before - "all new music is crap these days!" - and there's no need to put up with one from someone who has yet to show any sign of being anything other than an unapologetic homophobe, son.
2) Bringing up things like homophobic or racist comments which have not been retracted or apologised for or explained convincingly is something that some of us take it upon ourselves to do, sunshine, and I'm sorry if it doesn't fit with your own "hug a Klan member for liberal Christ!" strategy, but that's just the way it is, sunshine.
3) 33 already had the views he had about music and race, and while I might have been able to predict them, those views are his responsibility, not mine, kiddo.
4) What 33 thinks of "black music" is at times hard to tell through a mire of incoherence, shifting definitions and "just kidding!!!" pseudo-retractions, but it seems clear to me that he thinks a) that "rnb and rap" and music made by "certain ethnic groups" are synonymous, b) that in the past 6 years these "ethnic groups" have suddenly come to dominate music, and more widely culture (and maybe more widely still, given the ambiguous nature of the sentence quoted by paranoidwriter above), c) that this dominance has had a pernicious effect, d) that music made by black Americans prior to the past 6 years was also largely bad, as evidenced by Milli Vanilli. Add those views up, and we get a very confused, very wrong-headed and, yes, in my opinion, racist view of the history of popular music, sonny Jim. I'm sure 33 is capable of writing more "Oh aren't I allowed to like black music, I suppose that makes me a racist does it?!@?" posts without you doing it for him, young 'un.
As my (perhaps too cryptic) posts above were meant to indicate, arguably so far 33 has left himself enough wiggle room, largely through making his posts nigh-on unreadable, that neither the general consensus nor Tom Coates' view is that he should be banned. But I find it impossible to believe, given that he has also already started calling members of the board "wee-wees", that he will not end up getting himself banned in future.
I am prepared to start running a book as to field of culture 33 will say has been ruined by the recent dominance of women - television is at 11:1, the novel at 5:2. |
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