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18:19 / 27.09.04

Of course we can't. This'll get old too.

It did, dude. Three years ago.

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

18:32 / 27.09.04

See? One-liners will never get old here. We should start using them as currency.

18:42 / 27.09.04

Did Haus and Jade used to go out or something? Because this level of animosity is something I don't see very often except post ugly breakup.

If so, then I think I must've inadvertently shagged him too. It's easily done.

18:50 / 27.09.04

You were cleaning your trunk, and it went off?

18:54 / 27.09.04

Last time I ask for a 'Brazilian'...

19:07 / 27.09.04

see, i assumed rage had posted those pictures to get a response exclaiming how attractive she was, and that mr. gammy was just giving her the opposite.

You think trying to beat me down with 'hysterical suffragist' comments is going to shut me up?

i didnt get the impression he did.
did anyone?
i mean, honestly.
did you really think he was doing anything else other than baiting you, anna?
you called him a mysoginist and he responded with a fairly predictable variation on the sarcastic agreement.

congratulations on defending the world from piss-takers.

oh, and one more vote for the 'this thread fucking rules' ticket.

wembley can change in 28 days

19:14 / 27.09.04

bush loses ibis:
Etymology: New Latin, from English hysteric, adjective, from Latin hystericus, from Greek hysterikos, from hystera womb; from the Greek notion that hysteria was peculiar to women and caused by disturbances of the uterus.

Has everyone else made the leap between hysteria and PMS? Because even though I am a rational human being and a very nice one most of the time, there is an unmistakable period of about 24 hours every month where I am very, very prone to almost-humiliating sessions of unfocussed rage. Or, even more likely: cramps. Without medication, they can be debilitating, leading to screeching, crying, fainting, vomiting, spending a day or two rocking back and forth and moaning in the foetal position. Just think, girls: no ibuprofen, no anaprox, chamomile if you're lucky.

So, this isn't to say that the phrase "hysterical suffragist" doesn't make me twitch in a bad way, or that women are unable to live in the realm of the rational, but that there perhaps is a rather direct reason for this term.

19:25 / 27.09.04

Well, rather than the uterus being linked merely to menstrual bleeding, it was commonly believed that it travelled around the body, like some sort of malign slug, causing symptoms in several systems, for which no organic cause could be found (such symptoms being, classically, more common in females). Physicians used to prescribe an incredibly tight girdle, rationale being that constricting the waist would prevent the womb from wandering into the top part of the body.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

19:26 / 27.09.04

vidvis13 If I were to say 'Ah, you're all a bunch of fatties' would I be insulting the females more than the males?

If you were to pick a situation, as in this thread, where you were addressing women then, duh, yes.

Do I need to remind you of what Gambit actually said, or can you check page one on your way out of the thread?

ONLY NICE THINGS

19:50 / 27.09.04

I'm not sure that trying to make somebody "angry" by using terms of misogynistic abuse is necessarily better than trying to make somebody be quiet by using terms of misogynistic abuse, toksik. It's like calling somebody a bad word based on the colour of their skin in the hope that it makes them take a swing at you, as opposed to doing it in the hope that they will be frightened and intimidated by you.

It's possible that you mean "a person calling Anna a 'hysterical suffragist' is a kind of friendly joshing, in a sort of 'look! See how I am spoofing the sort of sexist language others might use without my mature and ironic approach!' way". That's fair enough, but since the ability of Gaimbit to understand the impact of his terms qua gender is under critique by Anna, that's a bit complicated. You end up getting a bit meta - "well, nobody would be upset by my ironic use of a term like hysterical suffragist... unless they were some kind of hysterical suffragist!"

20:02 / 27.09.04

And so there was a long thread
Which caused a large pain in my head
You could melt steel with the flames
And many posters were to blame
I said 'fuck it' and went off to bed

20:55 / 27.09.04

nah, haus, not quite.
what i was talking about was gammy-jaws using overtly mysogynistic language after having been accused of the crime of mysogyny.

the first transgression, the 'you are siding with your boyf' bit was not, to me, a sexist comment. boyfs and girlfs stick together, gender/sex/sexuality notwithstanding.

the later comments seemed to me to be clearly designed to be overtly mysogynistic in response to the accusations of mysogyny.

have you seen presumed innocent?
do you remember the 'confession' harrison ford makes when accused of murder?

21:28 / 27.09.04

every time this happens, a Rage gets her wings.

21:31 / 27.09.04

Wow. This is impressive. I just got in from work and couldn't figure out how this thread somehow grew 3 pages since this morning...

...is this a record for most replies in a 12-hour period?

02:47 / 28.09.04

But the audience loves it! (well, some of us do anyway..) Does that throw the situation in to a new ethical problem? Or are we all just a bunch of sickos who like watching/mocking a fight?

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:09 / 28.09.04

the first transgression, the 'you are siding with your boyf' bit was not, to me, a sexist comment.

That's because you're a monumentally stupid halfwit, toksik. I'm just baiting you when I say that, though, so you can't get angry or else I win. Ah! Ah!

The idea that one of the many feminist women on Barbelith might not be angry with the initial "lose weight, Rage" comments for any other reason than that her alleged partner was also unhappy with them is not only sexist, it displays a real lack of observance of the board for the last however many years...

ONLY NICE THINGS

07:12 / 28.09.04

what i was talking about was gammy-jaws using overtly mysogynistic language after having been accused of the crime of mysogyny.

I think I covered this above.

the first transgression, the 'you are siding with your boyf' bit was not, to me, a sexist comment. boyfs and girlfs stick together, gender/sex/sexuality notwithstanding.

Not actually what he said, tho' - check back on page 2.

10:52 / 28.09.04

Thanks, Haus, for the non-accusive analysis/answer to my question. I had skipped a page of the thread before posting and, upon review, was certain I was going to be lumped in with the terori.. I mean mysoginists. Well, I'm sure to some I am anyway. Oh, well...

In regards to this:
Do I need to remind you of what Gambit actually said, or can you check page one on your way out of the thread?

I don't really care, other than in the general-love-humanity way, what Gambit said. He sounds like someone being a bit of an ass to me, but I'll leave that for you professionals to decide. Those questions occured to me so I asked them; this particular context interests me not at all.

And, on my way out of the thread? Fuck off.

10:58 / 28.09.04

Oops. I just now, isn't that always the way, realized that 'on your way out of the thread' was not neccesarily an invitation for me to leave. And so, I apologize here, publicly and unreservedly.

Unless I read it right the first time.

No, that's not right. Heck, I apologize even if I read it right the first time.

Yes, I realize I could have just gone back and edited it out. What the hell, more fire for the fire.

ONLY NICE THINGS

11:06 / 28.09.04

Everybody be cool...

Flowers, I don't think vidvid was stirring, just asking about something that confused him. No harm done, eh?

...is this a record for most replies in a 12-hour period?

I don't think so. The old Barbefeuds thread went to about 13 pages in about the same time, I think... and a couple of Modzero's attempts to wear the board down were probably longer in about the same time.

11:45 / 28.09.04

Has Eris ever been depicted as zaftig and wearing a gasmask? I love Barbelith.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

14:30 / 28.09.04

vidvis13 I don't really care, other than in the general-love-humanity way, what Gambit said. He sounds like someone being a bit of an ass to me, but I'll leave that for you professionals to decide. Those questions occured to me so I asked them; this particular context interests me not at all.

Hang on, you don't know what Gambit said, you don't CARE what Gambit said and yet you're trying to defend him? Dude, what hold does he have over you? Does he know where you were during the Kennedy assasination, or which tree you hid your heart in?

And, on my way out of the thread? Fuck off.

Oops. I just now, isn't that always the way, realized that 'on your way out of the thread' was not neccesarily an invitation for me to leave. And so, I apologize here, publicly and unreservedly.

Unless I read it right the first time.

You read it right the second time, I didn't mean to sound like I was telling you to fuck off. Sorry about that.

Haus of Mystery

17:05 / 28.09.04

This is a proper ruck like in the good old days. I just read the whole thread in one sitting and I wasn't sure who to start yelling at. Ace!

Bit of a shitter that an attention seeker like Rage always generates such a massive response.

ONLY NICE THINGS

17:09 / 28.09.04

Yes, but it's not about her, which is the funny part. By about the third post, the seeds had already been planted for Jade to have an unexpected Passion-of-the-Christ-style meltdown, and before the end of the page, IIRC, Gaimbit had likewise managed to lay the foundations of his own baking. And so on, until any discussion of Rage just felt like threadrot.

Bless 'er.

Haus of Mystery

17:15 / 28.09.04

'the seeds had already been planted for Jade to have an unexpected Passion-of-the-Christ-style meltdown,'

Haus, I just snorted pasta out of my nose. Naughty man.

18:15 / 28.09.04

Hang on, you don't know what Gambit said, you don't CARE what Gambit said and yet you're trying to defend him? Dude, what hold does he have over you? Does he know where you were during the Kennedy assasination, or which tree you hid your heart in?

One more time, and I'll type slowly:

I'm
not
defending
him.
I asked a question because I was understanding (mistakenly?) that this was a forum for learning and communicating. If I'm mistaken so be it.

And to avoid future misunderstanding, the way to discern what I mean by what I write in here is to READ THE WORDS THAT I WROTE. Those words represent what I'm trying to communicate, that's why I chose them. Any assumptions you make about subtext are your own buisness. If I mean to say something beyond the actual words, maybe I'll give a little signal or something, if that's going to be neccesary.

You read it right the second time, I didn't mean to sound like I was telling you to fuck off. Sorry about that.

Thanks.

And btw, I'm not saying that I don't care about mysogony (you'll know this now from the fact that I DIDN'T SAY THAT,) I'm saying that the drama of Anna and Gambit is only periphally related to the questions I asked. The reason I didn't ask questions about anything he said was because nothing he said interested me. We've all heard goofy gender-baiting comments before and I don't feel the need to learn anything from the people that make them. Anna, on the other hand, seems an intelligent, if short triggered, person who's comments, though coming from a fundamental place of agreement (imo), she takes further then I find justifiable. Sounds like an oppurtunity for learning, or at least discourse.

If I don't agree with you, it's not neccesary to assume I'm an enemy.

Please ignore this post if I was mistaken and this isn't a forum for discourse, but an oppurtunity for people to think of witty ways to insult each other.

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

18:19 / 28.09.04

I never saw the Passion. Having seen many other movies based on the gospels, I figured "what further revelation could Mel Gibson offer me on the life/death of Jesus of Nazareth?" Well, according to my friend who saw it, the revelation is this: Christ can take a punch. "I'd have that fool backing me up in a fight any time," he told me. Which is both fun and sad, just like this thread.

Friends! Cease this senseless bickering! Let us turn this thread into a place to spread the glorious word of Jesus the Scrappy!

21:37 / 28.09.04

fly, dude, you havent made me angry.
it was never my intention to make either you or anna angry, whatver you think. if i did piss either of you off then i'm sorry.

might not be angry [...] for any other reason than that her alleged partner was also unhappy with them

i am aware ms.dL can form her own opinion and often does.
i just wanted to suggest that mr.G may have been saying that her discovery of the thread was via you, potentially in a sentence something along the lines of "have you seen what gaimbit said?". she could quite easily have been equally outraged discovering it alone, i'm sure.

I think I covered this above.

i read the above. i didnt think so, hence the additional text from me.
i was making the point that being accused of shit can make people who feel innocent feel like 'proving' you right til it becomes obvious you are not.
(obviously that ploy fell on its arse, what with the comments being taken as more evidence.)

is there a reason for your lack of engagement with that particular point? apart from the possibility that you thought ignoring it might annoy me?
(it does, if that helps.
only a wee bit, mind.
but yeah, it does.)
was it because you dont like harrison ford movies?

ONLY NICE THINGS

21:53 / 28.09.04

I liked Indiana Jones.

i was making the point that being accused of shit can make people who feel innocent feel like 'proving' you right til it becomes obvious you are not.

Yes. I think I covered that above.

It's possible that you mean "a person calling Anna a 'hysterical suffragist' is a kind of friendly joshing, in a sort of 'look! See how I am spoofing the sort of sexist language others might use without my mature and ironic approach!' way". That's fair enough, but since the ability of Gaimbit to understand the impact of his terms qua gender is under critique by Anna, that's a bit complicated. You end up getting a bit meta - "well, nobody would be upset by my ironic use of a term like hysterical suffragist... unless they were some kind of hysterical suffragist!"

I think this pretty much covers off your thinking. Try looking at it again.

ONLY NICE THINGS

22:55 / 28.09.04

Ah! I think this might offer some interesting background on similar tactics and their problematisation

23:17 / 28.09.04

it reads the same every time i read it.

you were talking about sexism as a friendly josh, i was talking about the pretense of something bad as a response to accusations of perpetrating that same something.

its the 'as a response to' bit of 'SillySexism as a response to accusations of ActualSexism' that i was focusing on here, not the sexism itself.

hence the reference to one of ally mcbeal's dad' movies.

02:24 / 29.09.04

Dude, what's my post say?

ONLY NICE THINGS

04:26 / 29.09.04

This may be because I never saw presumed innocent, but I'm talking about the hyperbolic use of, in this case, sexist language to deflect accusations of sexism. So, no, I'm not talking aboiut sexism as a friendly josh, I'm talking about usng sexist terminology as a means of self-identifying as non-sexist. As far as I can make out, that's a slightly more sophisticated version of what you're talking about, but perhaps you cou;d provide a less Fordy example to clarify...

Iconoplast: You will travel over water. You will meet a tall dark stranger. The two of you will get *totally* baked.

Sweet!

07:44 / 29.09.04

Forum for learning and communicating? I thought this was my Livejournal.
Perhaps we should go back to using those Sarcasm Deliniators, but it's a bit like saying "Yes, I am being sarcastic" in a sarcastic voice- it doesn't really work. It should be "No, I'm not being sarcastic", then it would make sense.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

08:15 / 29.09.04

No, dude, you've got it all wrong. It's Denfeld/Mike Robot's LJ.

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