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The Big Spiderman 3 thread

 
  

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Murray Hamhandler
18:14 / 29.07.04
I wan't Spider Clone Saga! Then we could have Scarlet Spider. Although Venom would be cool too. He could squat to poo in the middle of a fight and poo out Carnage. Two times the badness! Then scarlet Spider comes out and it's a tag team match from hell. When does animation on movie number 3 start? Is it too late to draw in Scarlet Spider?
 
 
FinderWolf
18:21 / 29.07.04
They could maybe Scotch tape little pics of the Scarlet Spider on if they've already started the animation.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
18:27 / 29.07.04
That would be cool.
 
 
grant
20:20 / 29.07.04
see that polka dot villian that used his spots to open portals between worlds and punch spiderman in the back of the head

Spot. Or maybe The Spot. Introduced in the short-lived Cloak and Dagger series, as a kind of spinoff of the same weird technomagic stuff (dark force! light force! interdimensionality!)

He'd kick *ass* on screen, man.

Spot and Mysterio would make a heck of a team up.
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:43 / 30.07.04
Landlord Venom!
"You cannot escape! I have the eyes like the rodent and the tongue like the anteater! (slurp)"
 
 
FinderWolf
18:59 / 09.08.04
Mark Millar strengthens the rumors about Venom in today's Newsarama interview...

>> MM: I didn't grow up with Venom, but I appreciate how intrinsic he's become to Spider-Man mythology. Even Sam [Raimi] is talking about using him in Spider-Man 3 and elevating him to household name status. I have more of a fondness for the Ditko villains.
 
 
Issaiah Saysir
20:54 / 09.08.04
John Jameson as Venom (by night?). Think of it! Venom can remain true to his alien roots and have a genuine grudge against Spidey!
 
 
bio k9
21:59 / 09.08.04
From what i've heard, if you mess with one new yorker it's almost exactly the same as if you had messsed with all eight million of them.

Only if you're from Boston.

If that girl across the hall was the Black Cat she should have offered him pussy. Thats foreshadowing.

I hope Venom is in Spider-Man 3. Spider-Man could kick his ass in the first 3 minutes of the movie, make a joke about how lame the bad guy is and get on with the rest of the film.
 
 
John Octave
22:35 / 09.08.04
Lizard's the obvious next choice, I suppose, but my problem with that is it means all three movies have the same villain, essentially. Norman Osborn was a decent guy (and pseudo-father figure to Peter) whose scientific creation went awry and turned him into the evil Green Goblin. Otto Octavius was a decent guy (and pseudo-father figure to Peter) whose scientific creation went awry and turned him into the evil Dr. Octopus. Curt Connors is a decent guy (and pseudo-father figure to Peter) whose scientific creation will go awry and turn him into the evil Lizard.

That's why my vote goes to Electro or Mysterio. Someone completely unrelated to Peter in any way. And rather than suffering from a "tragic" multiple personality disorder, is just an asshole with superpowers who decided to become a criminal. Eh?
 
 
Lord Morgue
03:17 / 10.08.04
But where's the ANGST?
 
 
Brigade du jour
04:07 / 10.08.04
Well, the angst is multiplied tenfold in Peter, because he can't even console himself on some deep subconscious level that the villain is really an okay guy, he just had a spot of bad luck and fell victim to his misguided but basically philanthropic urges.

Electro, a thug in a costume, could be a breath of fresh air if cast well. Although if we're going down that route I'd vote for The Scorpion. One of my favourite Spidey comics had Scorpy kicking ten types of fuck out of our hero for most of the issue, and Spidey was, wouldn't you know it, failing not only because of his inferior strength, but also his self-doubt. Then he realised that he was faster and more agile than The Scorpion, and a bloody sight smarter too, and that's what got him out of the feature-length fix he was in.

Plus, JJJ (the Scorpion's benefactor) can have a more pivotal role in the film as a kidnap victim, and the emotional situation could even be compounded by the fact that his son was stood up at the altar by Peter Parker's girlfriend. Spidey cops it from Da Man in both his identities. It's all there.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:59 / 10.08.04
>> but my problem with that is it means all three movies have the same villain, essentially.

I agree with that -- the trick is, we don't want the villains to be one-dimensional EEEVIIILLL, but then again, we don't want them all to be nice guys who get corrupted and such either. A tricky line to walk. If they do Venom, then maybe he should be closer to EEVVVIILLL than GG or Doc Ock have been in the previous films.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:42 / 10.08.04
I can't understand the Kraven naysaying. Spiderman on the run? Hunted? Sounds good to me. Could easily be the spookiest baddy of all. Someone who treats Peter as though he were an animal! Scary shit.

But, yeah, the Venom grumbling's just dumb. When teenagers think of spidey baddies (if they think of them at all), Venom's the face they see. Remember there's computer games, cartoons, lunch boxes, toys and T-shirts out there, as well as comics, and Venom's mug's wrapped around ALL of them. Raimi'll get him in before the end. And, yeah, the astronaut's prime meat. He'd go after MJ. Again.

It's definitely Gobbers, Lizard, Venom or The Black Cat next....but I've got no idea about what combination they'll be in. The "black and white" quote could refer to Felicia, after all.
 
 
The Falcon
01:07 / 11.08.04
I do think Robbie knows. I think he's always kinda known in the comics too.
 
 
Char Aina
15:30 / 11.08.04
yeah, me too.
i always thought of him as the best journalist at the bugle, and as such a hard man to fool. he's a good counterpoint to jameson's opinionated, circulation-driven ranting.
i see jonah as too caught up in the world he's created in his head to notice that the only one who can get spiderman's picture all the time is also the only guy who always seems to be around just before the webslinger.
if not for his belligerence, he would have sussed long ago.
 
 
Triplets
23:16 / 11.08.04
Thing is, I started with Spider-man with the early 90s cartoon. Venny was there from the intro along with that great Ramones cover of the Spidey theme.

I'm not one of those/these 60s/70s fanbeards who can't see past Stan Lee's jabbering attempts at a story.

I say, bring on John Jameson, Alien Astronaut. Enemy of Spider-man, and Spurned Lover!
 
 
bio k9
04:25 / 12.08.04
Yeah, the Lee/Ditko & Lee/Romita issues suck compared to those Micheline/McFarlane classics.


Suede & I are all set!
 
 
Lord Morgue
10:31 / 12.08.04
Did Eddie Brock actually appear before Venom, or was he retconned into the Sin-Eater story?
 
 
FinderWolf
18:16 / 12.08.04
Good question -- and I love that pic!!!! If there was a third person in the pic wearing a Frank the Bunny mask from Donnie Darko (do they sell those?) it would be complete.

I never got the idea that Robbie Robertson knows Peter's secret... never seen anything that implied he did, despite the fact that he's a smart guy.

I agree that Kraven would be a great storyline for Spidey 3, but I bet they go with the marketing people who say "the kids love Venom, he's KEWL!"
 
 
FinderWolf
14:21 / 18.10.04
Discord at the Movie House of Ideas: Sam Raimi has repeatedly said Spidey 3 will be the last; he only has so much energy and these films are such huge endeavors, etc. etc. The stars are only signed for 3. Raimi also said "I know how Hollywood works and soon this comic book trend will be over and it will be something new the studios all want" (I'm not quoting directly here but that's very very close to what he said).

THEN, at Dark Horizons.com, we have this from Avi Arad:

>> Spider-Man 3

Arad stated that Sam Raimi miscommunicated about #3 being the final movie. He definately foresees more Spiderman movies to come but they like looking at one movie at a time and not beyond.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:39 / 18.10.04
Well, yeah - it's not up to Raimi whether this is the last film in the series or not, just whether it's his last. Which is probably what he meant anyway.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
15:28 / 18.10.04
How about making everyone happy and having JJameson turning all Venom, the general public start thinking Spidey's gone haywire and Kraven The Hunter is brought in to bring him down.
Then you have Spidey fighting off the dual threat of Venom and Kraven with a nice "but it wasn't me, I'm INNOCENT" kind of ending.
Oh... sod it, throw the lizard in for good measure, as Kraven's sniffer dog or something.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
04:55 / 20.10.04
You've just described Spider-Man Forever.

You're Joel Schumacher, aren't you? AREN'T YOU???

/+,
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
12:04 / 21.10.04
Damn.

Busted.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:45 / 02.12.04
Director Sam Raimi is on a tear, this time talking to FilmStew about the story development for the next sequel. They report: "With two stories under his belt and a divergence from the comic books now clearly delineated, from Comics 2Film:

>> Raimi is looking more now to wrap up the strands of the first two movies than remain tied to Stan Lee’s original narratives. 'I think the audience has been tracking this love story with Mary Jane Watson [Kirsten Dunst] and Peter Parker, and now they're together. The way they got together and the reality of the movies is slowly becoming more dominant of a guiding force than the books, just because so many unique things have been set up in the movies that have now got to be completed in the third part, that there's a demand to do that.'"

and from USA Today, a piece about the DVD extras of Spidey 2:

>> The success of the first Spider-Man, which grossed more than $403 million in 2002 and is the No. 6 movie of all time, scared Raimi. Until Spidey, he was known as the maker of more modestly budgeted movies such as The Evil Dead (1981) and Darkman (1990).

Raimi had to get a grip. "I said, 'Sam, calm down. It's not really anything you did. It is this comic book and 40 years of stories.' So I went back to the rich source material (to) find what I think is a moving, emotional story that can connect us to the characters that is already in the comic books."

He settled on The Amazing Spider-Man issue No. 50 from 1967, in which Peter decides to give up his superhero alter ego. The steps to bringing that story to the screen are documented on the new two-disc DVD (Columbia TriStar Home Entertainment, $30). There's also a gift set ($50) that includes additional movie artwork and a comic book reprint. A single-disc Superbit version ($27) has improved video and a second soundtrack in DTS surround-sound, but no extras.

Those interested in the development of villainous Dr. Otto Octavius and the other visual effects in the film will find the extras essential viewing. Among the web of extras:

•An Ock-Umentary: Eight Arms to Hold You chronicles the filmmakers' early experiments with dryer exhaust tubes to create the look of the arms of Doc Ock, the puppeteering process and, later, actor Alfred Molina learning to act with the finished arms harnessed to him.

• One chapter of the 12-part documentary Making the Amazing is devoted to the Spydercam, a high-flying camera used to capture the dizzying swinging footage. "The challenge then becomes finesse, and it really isn't about inventing a camera that can travel 600 mph and stop in 6 inches but whether the character has a sense of reality to it," says visual effects supervisor John Dykstra.

• Raimi says he's not a big fan of providing DVD commentaries, but his conversation with actor Tobey Maguire, who plays Spider-Man and Peter Parker, is revealing about their relationship.

Punishing Peter Parker creates drama, Raimi says, but that means punishing Maguire. In an early scene, Parker drops his books and is repeatedly pummeled in the head by passersby's purses, gym bags and backpacks. During filming, the supporting cast wasn't hitting Maguire aggressively enough, so Raimi took some shots of his own, highlighted in the DVD's bloopers.

"You like to do a lot of takes when I'm being punished," Maguire says on the commentary. "I don't do that on purpose," Raimi says and laughs. "But you were a big sport to let us hit you with that bag so many times."

Sony Pictures has plans for three more sequels, but Raimi is not signed on for the fourth movie.

"If I have the same passion after this (Spider-Man 3), I would love to direct (No. 4) and hope they would ask me."


Still no word on the villains yet. Raimi keeps saying he's got to figure out what the arc is for Peter and then choose the villain(s) accordingly.
 
 
eye landed
20:39 / 02.12.04
there was a preproduction spidey script floating around before the first movie. it involved some rich scientist who was a father figure to peter--electro, maybe?--with the sandman and some other quasimeaningless faces as henchmen. i hope that one never gets made.
 
 
Lord Morgue
10:20 / 04.12.04
Actually, if you read the script for Spider-Man 1, it was utter bilge. Insulting, Joel-Schumaker level drivel. It's a testament to Raimi's skill and vision that he was able to beat it into such a great film.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:42 / 03.02.05
RAIMI HAS CHOSEN THE VILLAIN.

>> SPIDER-MAN 3

According to an interview in Now Playing magazine, Peter Parker's next big screen adversary has been chosen. But they won't tell you who it is. Yet. Director Sam Raimi said, "We wanted to have a villain not only who would fulfill the character needs but somebody who could entertain the audience on a visceral level and provide great visuals, something we haven't seen before, and create a real challenge and great foe for Spider-Man and his unique spidery, spider-like powers ... I’m not supposed to [talk about the villain]. When Sony Pictures decides to release the villain they do it in conjunction with Marvel Comic books. Avi Arad is the president there and my producer, and they’re really the ones that decide how they’re going to present this to the fans of the comic and they love doing it with a lot of drama and a big splash. So they consult with me, but it’s really something… they really want to please the fans and do it in a very particular way."

Sounds like it might be Venom to me -- 'spidery powers' and 'spectacular visuals'....we'll see...
 
 
Triplets
17:37 / 03.02.05
Not really. From the syntax it sounds like he's talking about Spider-man, and being redundant about it an' all. Spidery and spider-like, well that was impossible to divine from 'Spider-man' for fucks sake. Thanks for clearing it up.
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
21:04 / 03.02.05
But the bad guy is going to be Venom. Black and white, great visuals, most popular spider-man villian.
 
 
Billuccho!
22:12 / 03.02.05
I doubt it's Venom. The "great visuals" could be referring to Lizard or Sandman.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:13 / 03.02.05
I was hoping for average visuals, myself.

"We're gonna offer you up some really average visuals!"

"Oooh? The Rhino?"
 
 
Bed Head
22:59 / 03.02.05
‘Great visuals?’ Mysterio, dudes!

..and I say, hurrah for that! Mysterio totally rocks. Embittered special effects guy - probably driven insane by the coming of CGI, which has rendered pointless all the years he spent painstakingly learning his trade - first imitates Spidey, using his craft-based expertise to physically reproduce everything a CGI spiderman and his organic webshooters can do; and then beats him up, screaming all the while about how *his* webbing is better because he made it himself.

I hope they give John Byrne a cameo. He could hold a sign in the parade JJJ organises for Mysterio, right after he defeats Spiderman that first time. I love that bit.
 
 
Bed Head
23:20 / 03.02.05
This guy, I mean:



The chap on the left. John Byrne could play him. What better way to confront all the moaning about whether or not organic webshooters are a good idea? Make them fight.
 
 
Triplets
23:32 / 03.02.05
Hang on, Avi Arad: Spider-man? You mean, like he's related to/is a fucking SPIDER??
 
  

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