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DC: Identity Crisis

 
  

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Thirteen
07:08 / 26.08.04
Am I the only one on the planet that is interested in this title?

Yes - Sue Dibny was killed
That's generally how murder mysteries start.

Am I the only one who wants to know who the villian is? I haven't been this giddy since Loeb's 'Dark Victory'!

For anyone that's interested:
(sorry about the length)

50-1: Sue Dibny
Yeah, baby! Ralph's little mystery that he gets every birthday, well Sue has recently discovered that he knew! He always knew! So she does something so unbelievably horrific, that he believes that its for real. However, aside from being the biggest anticlimax in history, Sue jumping out from behind the couch as the lights come on doesn''t really gel with the dark and brooding that Meltzer's got going on.

30-1: Snapper Carr
Access to all sorts of technology over his long stint as superhero mascot, he has the means and opportunity to access an apartment as heavily guarded as the Dibny's. But... no motive. Bottom line, he's a 'good guy'.

20-1: The Calculator
What's the biggest question no-one has asked? Why are victims killed in secret? If this is Meltzer's big chance to power up some C-List villains, why aren't they letting the world know who they are? Sure, killing a superhero's wife is not the sign of a macho-man, but breaking into an apartment with Thanagarian, Martian, Kryptonian and Mother Box technology is pretty fucking impressive! So who benefits? Someone who works behind the scenes. Someone like the new Calculator. Only problem, it's more than a shade too obvious!

10-1: The Calculator's a lackie
Y'see, the Calculator was a fool that ran around with giant numbers on his chest. Exactly. A moron. But suddenly he gets a great idea, just like that?! No, had to come from someone with creativity and insight! Someone gives Noah an idea to become an evil Oracle, and uses C-List villians to demoralise the superhero community. Now we are getting somewhere! But who is brilliant, business savvy, broke and bearing a grudge? I can think of a certain ex-president!

7-1: Lex Luthor
Re-building his financial empire through Calculator (and possibly Merlyn), Luthor wants to chip away at all the heroes until he finally gets the (super)man he's after! Recall his last words in Superman/Batman #6 "There will be a reckoning! A CRISIS!"

5-1: Alexander Luthor
After the JLA left Earth 1, the CSA weren't the villians they used to be. And as they became more and more good-natured, their antithesis became ruthless! After crossing the bridge between worlds, he decides to expand his empire, filling the gap that our Luthor left. He tells Calculator to send Bolt after a Luthor suit, knowing he will be gunned down, leaving Alex to grab the suit for himself.

Hence Identity Crisis (get it?)!

Any thoughts?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:08 / 26.08.04
I am curious as to who the villain is, I'll say that much.

Apparently (from DC's Previews solicits) assorted DCU villains' loved ones start to get killed by the killer, too.

And on the 'women in refridgerators' subject, over in the current Ron Marz-written GREEN LANTERN arc, Major Force kills Kyle's mother and puts her head in the oven, not wanting to repeat his refridgerator trick.

I'm not joking.

No, seriously, I'm not joking.

(read it in the store, haven't paid money for Marz' new story arc but was curious to see if it would be any good, as I liked some of Marz' Kyle writing back in the day. Suffice it to say that Marz' current arc is pretty piss-poor.)

ugh....
 
 
FinderWolf
13:12 / 26.08.04
As for who the villain is, I really have no idea. (normally I'd find it refreshing and cool that I have no idea who the murderer is in a comic book murder mystery, except I've so little enthusiasm left for this story that I almost don't care.) Although re: your comments about the Calculator -- yes, the 'new, anti-Oracle' Calculator is one of the only cool things about this series, and the new Calc must have been introduced here for a reason. So the Calc probably has a role somehow, probably assisting the killer...
 
 
Warewullf
14:21 / 30.08.04
From Lying in the Gutters.

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The rumours doing the rounds is that Kyle Rayner (I actually just typed Kyle Baker there... ouch) is to be identified as the killer in "Identity Crisis." Apparently there's a flaw in his ring that has turned him crazy.

Apparently the new Kyle Rayner action figure has been cancelled, or renamed Black Hand, and the character's situation in "Green Lantern: Rebirth" has been shied away from at convention panels...

You know, these Green Lanterns. Always go a bit odd in the end, don't they? Bring back G'nort.



*sigh*

And I read that Green Lantern where Major Force killed Kyle's mother. It was fucking harsh.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:33 / 30.08.04
Re: the Lying in the Gutters rumors.

Yikes.

I really hope it's not Kyle. Let's try not to make IC even worse than it already is, eh Brad Meltzer?
 
 
The Natural Way
15:48 / 30.08.04
I like your distinction between "realism" and "gritty," and that something doesn't need to be "gritty" (i.e. dark and negative, depressing, messed-up, psychologically twisted) to be "real."

I'm surprised you needed someone to spell this idea out, wolfox. I'm pretty sure it's the philosophical backbone of most of this thread. I always read adjectives like "realistic" and "gritty" in invisible quotes.

And I second Diz's gripes re the "That style is just soooo uncool" shit. Shut up, Grant. It's good, idiosyncratic (read: original), thought provoking and fun, or it's not.

And that's all that matters.
 
 
Billuccho!
19:45 / 30.08.04
I still think OJ Simpson did it.

Well, him or Plastic Man. ...or Metamorpho.

Nahh... definitely OJ. Then they could cross over with the John Walsh Outsiders.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:30 / 07.09.04
>> According to DC Comics, Identity Crisis #1 has sold out at the publisher. "Identity Crisis is just about half through... a perfect time to express our gratitude to the readership for nothing less than the most passionate response regarding DC's characters -- heck, any fictional characters -- in the last 10 years," said Mike Carlin, Senior Group Editor, DCU.

Yeah, passionately NEGATIVE response!
 
 
diz
19:18 / 07.09.04
has anyone else heard the rumors that Kyle Rayner's going to be the killer? that a flaw in his ring made him go craaaaazy?

i think it was in LITG or something. i forget. i was away for a while.

if that's true, i'm going to vomit.
 
 
The Falcon
23:41 / 07.09.04
I think it's caption competition time, Barbelith.



Got this from the ever-entertaining Fanboy Rampage!. If you get the Haloscan on you can see mine and others efforts.

Kudos to Mike Turner for the most entertainment I think I've ever had on the internet.
 
 
Triplets
02:26 / 08.09.04
Falconer, that's the funniest shit I've read in a while. Tears were shed.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:04 / 08.09.04
How far down the page do I have to go to read the captions? What the heck is Haloscan? I just skimmed lots and lots of crap on that page and didn't find any captions besides the headache one which was quite unfunny.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:07 / 08.09.04
never mind, just found it -- the tiny orange letters that say "comments" right under the picture, for those not in the know. Click on that and you'll read the various captions.

I hate to say it, but Kyle Rayner as the killer would make sense given the fact that they keep pushing that it must be someone ultra-powerful to get past the Thanagarian and Mother Box, Martian, etc. technology in Sue & Ralph's house. But having another GL go nuts and become a murderer is just not a good idea. DO YOU HEAR ME, DC?!?!?!
 
 
Triplets
19:05 / 08.09.04
Well, it's alright, when all the Kyle fans get a bit older and beardy they can start campaigning for his reinstatement. Then DC will make Ol' Crazy Hal go crazy again and Kyle can take his place, then a few years down the line, Kyle goes crazy again and...
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
22:03 / 08.09.04
How long until Kyle become The Spectre?

If that rumor is true, then this officially goes down as the biggest waste of paper since Byrne's big stupdi DC crossover no one remembers.
 
 
Simplist
23:50 / 08.09.04
This preview of GL:Rebirth would seem to dispel the notion that Kyle's status will change significantly during Identity Crisis.
 
 
The Falcon
00:02 / 09.09.04
Hunter, it's the story which says 'Batman in his closet of evil supervillain photographs'.

That's good enough in itself.
 
 
gridley
12:44 / 09.09.04
This preview of GL:Rebirth would seem to dispel the notion that Kyle's status will change significantly during Identity Crisis.

Maybe so, maybe not. Maybe after he wigs out, he sends himself into exile in deep space.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
14:48 / 09.09.04
This is a pretty weird reason to suspect Kyle, but DC Direct is doing a new GL line of action figures soon. The Kyle figure was pulled and supposedly renamed 'Black Hand' who is an old Green Lantern villain.

Whatever the case, in a line of toys publicizing a comic that we can see he is in from the preview there is no Kyle figure.

I can now officially say I've contributed to a thread about a subject I know nothing about. So I'm a real 'Lither now.
 
 
Simplist
15:36 / 09.09.04
I've heard that one too, but the Black Hand figure doesn't look much like Kyle, and the character description implies that it's the original Black Hand in a new guise. Have a look.

Of course, Kyle's absence from the action figure lineup certainly doesn't bode well for the character's health. I doubt he'll be one of the ID Crisis casualties, though; if they off him I'm sure it will be in the GL title for the sake of maximum impact.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:19 / 09.09.04
For the record, I don't buy the "Kyle becomes Black Hand" theory. I hope I'm right...

The AP now has a big article about IC which is hosted on Yahoo News, as follows:

Entertainment - AP

DC Comics Series Remade As a Tragedy

Thu Sep 9, 3:39 AM ET

By ANTHONY BREZNICAN, AP Entertainment Writer

LOS ANGELES - Superheroes die all the time. Superman kicked the bucket a few years ago but was back in no time soaring through the skies. Batman's sidekick Robin also bit the dust once. Capes fall and refill again, a new story begins, and crimefighting goes on ... So after that, what's the worst thing that could happen to a fantastical crusader?

A seven-part DC Comics series has become a best seller by answering that question with a brutal premise: kill off a hero's wife.

That is the central story of "Identity Crisis," now reaching its fourth installment, that puts Batman, Superman, the Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow and other notable characters through an emotional hell.

The story line has electrified comics readers by immersing the Man of Steel, the Caped Crusader and their fellow good guys in pain, guilt, anger, fear and realistic violence and consequences.

Could these icons of righteousness sometimes commit horrible wrongs in pursuit of good? Comics fans either adore "Identity Crisis," or consider it heresy. Either way, it's the No. 1 comic in the world right now.

"If nobody really cared, that's an insult to us," said "Identity Crisis" artist Rags Morales. "If they hate it, that's great. If they love it, that's great. But if they're like 'Ehhh ... So what? No big deal.' Those are the ones that would bother us."

The story begins with a well-known woman from the DC Comics universe — someone who didn't have any special powers — being raped and murdered: Sue Dibny, wife of Ralph Dibny, who comic book lovers know as the Elongated Man from the Justice League.

Nobody is safe: not Ma and Pa Kent, not ex-wives, not even the non-powerful acquaintances of villains are free from the serial killer's wrath.

A few of the world's most notable superheroes may have indirectly had a hand in Mrs. Dibny's demise, or unjustly punished the wrong suspect — and find themselves agonizing over the responsibility.

A villain who wants to destroy the world is one thing — but "Identity Crisis" writer Brad Meltzer said a single realistic death, in all its brutality, could have more resonance in his story as the consequences unfold in front of the reader.

"This is not an adventure. It's a tragedy," said Meltzer, the best-selling novelist of thrillers such as "The Millionaires" and "The Zero Game" and the co-creator of the new TV drama "Jack & Bobby." "It is taking the heroes and testing everything about them, putting them in difficulties and seeing if they come out the same way."

The fourth installment of "Identity Crisis" is due in stores next week. The first installment, which came out at the beginning of summer, is sold out, and just a handful of the first books remain in stores.

Both the appeal and the outrage of "Identity Crisis" is the way it alters the characters' lore. It would be one thing to kill off the Elongated Man. It's another to keep him alive — so grief-stricken that he literally cannot hold his body together when he breaks down.

DC editors say any future story featuring the Elongated Man would have to reflect his newfound suffering. Similarly, the morally questionable investigative methods of Hawkman, the Green Arrow and the Flash in "Identity Crisis" will reverberate throughout their own respective comic books.

"It has long-term ramifications for the next two yearsof storytelling, and we've already laid out one year," said Dan DiDio, the DC Comics editor who's overseeing "Identity Crisis." "It's a tonal shift. It's an attitude and expectation. The DC universe is a very optimistic place. It's a place you want to be living in. It's a place where you know they're building to a better future. They just have to work harder to get to that better future now, which is more reflective of the times we live in."

The first issue featured all the major characters arrayed around a coffin, with Superman at the center. The final installment will feature Batman on the cover.

Both of the stoic characters have tears in their eyes — not the usual dramatic pose of a hero.

Some comics fans are livid over the story. Morales said he has heard rumors about editors punching walls after reading the "Identity Crisis" script and other writers and artists who have threatened never to work with DC again, although few have come out publicly.

DiDio said most internal comics people who are angry are waiting until the end of the series to cast judgment.

Comics readers haven't been as restrained. The popularity of the books speaks for itself.

But there are strong detractors.

One recent posting on a DC fan Internet chat-room read: "Much as I loathe 'Identity Crisis,' I don't see that it's worth quitting DC over. The best way to combat the creeping 'Identity Crisis' syndrome in the DC universe is to do good comics that point the company in another direction."

DiDio understands the reaction, noting that the story line "in some way shatters the perception of the icons as they existed in a more pure time."

"But the newer readers, or the people looking for much stronger and multilayered storytelling, are embracing it," he added. "This book has generated no apathy, that's for sure."

In some ways, this is also a response to the popularity of rival Marvel Comics, which has such characters as Spider-Man and the Hulk, whose appeal comes from battles with personal woes as well as supervillains.

DiDio didn't want to go the "trouble with girlfriends" route, but he recognized that DC needed more emotional depth.

"I had the belief that our characters, being superheroes and cast in heroic roles, really have to be forced to examine what their desires and motivations are to be heroes. Why do they have that need to put their lives at risk above the lives of their own family?"

Meltzer said he pitched the story with the death of the Elongated Man's wife becoming secondary as the books progress.

"I said forget the death of the character, we're going to test every character in the DC universe. We're going to test what they believe, what they stand for, we're going to test whether Superman is as good as we think he is. We're going to test whether Batman is, too. Yes, it will be in the context of this murder, but we'll get so much more out of it."

Meltzer has been the focus of ire from the disgruntled fans, and adulation from those who love "Identity Crisis." He said it's inevitable that characters evolve as they pass from writer to writer and artist to artist over the years.

"The most beautiful thing about comic books as a medium," he said, "is the tapestry of interpretation."

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The Falcon
18:34 / 09.09.04
Both of the stoic characters have tears in their eyes — not the usual dramatic pose of a hero.

Something to remember there.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
18:44 / 09.09.04
I don't wanna see superheroes cry! It makes ME cry!

And I don't like crying....
 
 
osymandus
20:33 / 09.09.04
For me its not the changing of icons. More the poor thought out chararcter use and applying quite frankly a banal idea of a serial killer against charcters that have (or some ) abailty to percieve the movements of atoms.

Bit like having hannibal leacture hunting Wolverine .

Dark alley way , the docotor stalks the short man in the flying jacket and cowboy hat . For two blocks remains behind , hugging the shadows , untill the fatal corner he turns , and loses his colon and lower intestine.

Falling to the floor he calls after the figure "My pathos , you've slain my pathos ".
 
 
Simplist
20:44 / 09.09.04
I'm not particularly offended by the icon changing either; it's more the overall poor conception and execution of the thing, from the bad dialogue to the unclear action sequences to the implausible fight scenes. And as for that whole icon changing issue, this book is "groundbreaking" in that sense only by pre-1985 standards. Meltzer seems to be a guy whose idea of what constitutes Good Comics was formed roughly between 1985 and 1990 (ie. the era of Watchmen, DKR, and the first wave of grim&gritty(tm) updates of old characters) so that's more or less the type of comic he's trying, rather ineptly, to produce.
 
 
Triplets
21:57 / 09.09.04
"This is not an adventure. It's a tragedy," said Meltzer, the best-selling novelist of thrillers such as "The Millionaires" and "The Zero Game" and the co-creator of the new TV drama "Jack & Bobby." "It is taking the heroes and testing everything about them, putting them in difficulties and seeing if they come out the same way."


Yes, it's called deconstruction, Meltzer. A guy who you might've heard of - his surname is Moore - did something like this in the 1980s. And he did it better.
 
 
John Octave
05:42 / 10.09.04
Y'know, for anyone who's still bummed about about the whole Sue Dibny being dead thing (myself included) it occurs to me there's a really brilliantly simple way out of it. And it actually makes sense thematically, and uses existing DC continuity in a useful way.

Elongated Man served on Justice League Europe with Animal Man, right? So they know each other. And didn't some Scotsman write a story in which Animal Man's family were needlessly killed in an attempt to make the comic more gritty and "realistic?" And wasn't Animal Man clever enough to find a way to appeal to the writer/creator and bring them back?

There's your fix: EM and AM going on a spiritual quest, resulting in them taking it to DC editorial and demanding they bring back Ralph's wife because her death was bad for his character in the first place. Eh? Eh? I would buy that comic.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:51 / 10.09.04
I reckon it'll turn out to be Hal Jordan doing it (check out that issue of JLA, he's gone nuts as the Spectre once already) but that the fatbearded legions of HEAT will put on their fictionsuits and force all the heroes to blame Kyle for it instead.

But yes, the article did remind me of when Animal Man confronts GM and asks him why he killed his family...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:39 / 10.09.04
"This book has generated no apathy"

Except amongst that section of the world's population that has ever committed acts of sexual love.
 
 
Simplist
22:22 / 16.09.04
What? No one's going to discuss Identity Crisis #4, in which the killer is (perhaps) transparently revealed? You all had sufficient strength of conviction to leave it on the shelf? Am I the only Barbeloid who can't turn away from this car crash?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
22:29 / 16.09.04
This comic was on page 3 of London's METRO newspaper this week, and I still haven't read it because I missed the first 2 issues. So if anyone owns it but doesn't want it, I will buy them from you. I would do it on ebay but some tosser is charging £6 for #1.
 
 
eddie thirteen
23:47 / 16.09.04
I don't have anything new to contribute here, but I would like to know exactly what grim and gritty, realistic universe this story takes place in. My own universe is sporadically grim, and kinda gritty when I haven't dusted for a while. It may not be realistic, but -- as it is, in fact, reality -- I am willing to go out on a limb and guess that it probably is. Rape and murder do, sadly, exist in the reality I know. But, to my knowledge, my reality does not include men and women gifted with supernatural powers who wear brightly-colored costumes and make up silly names for themselves and fight crime, sometimes in outer space. Therefore, if DC Comics really wants to set their magazines in a grim and gritty, realistic universe, I hereby offer to trade them theirs for my own -- a far, far bleaker place, I assure you. Imagine the fanboys' exuberance at the upcoming nine-part saga, "JobQuest: A Hero's Noble Battle to Transform His Hardwon Bachelor's Degree into Some Kind of Halfway Respectable Job Before the Student Loan People Force Him to Declare Bankruptcy and Destroy His Credit Forever." I get chills! I'll miss my reality, but somehow I'll learn to survive in the horrible, horrible DCU.
 
 
Triplets
23:57 / 16.09.04
Eddie, have you ever found your partner stuffed in the fridge next to the butter?
 
 
The Falcon
00:33 / 17.09.04
Another thing to think about.

Who'd'you think it is then Simplist? I'm interested in this bit, a bit.
 
 
eddie thirteen
00:38 / 17.09.04
I am sometimes found in the fridge myself, stuffing my own face with butter. Butter's cheap. Goes great with ramen noodles. And Kool-Aid. Sometimes, when I'm feeling especially extravagant, Jiffy-Pop.

DO NOT MAJOR IN ENGLISH.
 
  

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