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DC: Identity Crisis

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19:11 / 15.11.04

ohhhh.... I didn't get that. I thought she had superspeed. Weird...

Maybe Captain Boomerang switched minds with Flash and impregnated her while he was in Flash's body.

But then doesn't the current continuity say that the silver age heroes just started their careers ten or so years ago? If that's true, then Boomerang's kid is too old to be any of them. Unless time travel was involved!

ugh... I'm getting a headache...

Mister Six, whom all the girls

12:42 / 09.12.04

"With Atom and Dr. Light doing a freaky friday,"

... still laughing, damn you. I always enjoy venting of the spleen and the general hatred of something as it's more interesting than praise, but this suceeds in removing any semblance of integrity that the series posessed.

Freaky Friday.

Damn you.

And I know I lose several cool points off of my already negative roster, but after borrowing reading 1-4 I really do like this series. I recently got into a super hero frenzy and just orderd 1-6. Hopefully I'll continue to like it. I never like endings, though, so I'll probably join the ranks of the haters next week.

In fairness, I don't think this series is for everyone. For one, you have to really like the DC super hero universe and that's not an easy thing.

18:47 / 09.12.04

This comic needs this thread. A trade should reprint this thread.

Haus of Mystery

13:23 / 10.12.04

For one, you have to really like the DC super hero universe and that's not an easy thing.

I have no problem loving the DCU, but it doesn't sound like Meltzer does. Or maybe he felt it needed more rape.

19:00 / 10.12.04

I have to say I'm anxiously awaiting the dramatic conclusion. I don't expect it to be great or even satisfying, but at least there should be some closure.

Jake, Colossus of Clout

01:25 / 11.12.04

The only thing I like about this series is that it's going to be totally ignored for the new Formerly Known as the Justice League. Giffen and Dematteis giving a little "fuck you" to Meltzer.

03:44 / 11.12.04

For one, you have to really like the DC super hero universe and that's not an easy thing.

it's not that. i love a lot of the weird little B- and C-list characters he's drawing out of the woodwork, and i love the way he handles the sort of ground level society of the heroes and especially the villains. however, i think doing what he did to Sue Dibny is a waste of a perfectly good character, and a lot of the "hard-edged realism" comes apart in certain scenes (like most the fight scenes).

also, the handling of the death of Jack Drake was comical, and the fact that no one seemed to care when Firestorm died similarly so.

14:33 / 14.12.04

Previews of #7 up at Popcultureshock... apparently the second page was too sensitive to show on Newsarama.
I'm hazading a guess that Atom did do it, to get his wife back.

I'm a total DC-continuity blank slate so if there's a credible reason this wouldn't be the case then fire away. I'm just going on the "importance" of what was said on page two.

I prefered the Jean idea myself.

14:36 / 14.12.04

Wait up... I've just realised (via the comments) that popcultureshock have edited the second page to hide the killers identity.
Originally I thought the black space at the bottom of the page was just artistic, now I realise it's been hidden.

Doh!

Back to the Jean theory!!!!

18:18 / 14.12.04

Jean or Dr. Light in Ray's body. Not plain old Ray turning evil. I won't have it!!

21:46 / 14.12.04

The "TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES" on the cover got a chuckle out of me.

22:23 / 14.12.04

Wait maybe its Dr Light in Jeans body now (he always had the hots for Ray) and Jeans in his body doing the murders !

Wow it was so simply , it all makes sense now.

03:16 / 15.12.04

"For the past seven months, a new level of humanity has been brought to the DC Universe."

Rape + Murder = Humanity.

For fuck's sake.

m.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

10:04 / 15.12.04

Is that little green thing on the floor on the cover supposed to be Green Lantern's ring or some Kryptonite?

13:01 / 15.12.04

It's GL's ring, no Kryptonite on that cover.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

13:49 / 15.12.04

Oh my God that was painfully, awfully, terribly lame. Not even the criminal revelation (although it was in its own way criminal), just the limp-ass conclusion. You have to read it just to see lame and innefectual an event comic can be.

No stars.

13:58 / 15.12.04

Sad. Gene Parmesan Birdie has good taste, disappointing to hear it's not even a strong finish....

14:00 / 15.12.04

I mean by way of saying that that I trust Gene Parmesan's judgment, of course...

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

14:19 / 15.12.04

It honestly couldn't be weaker. They drop the Identity Bomb in the first few pages and then spend the rest of the book lilting around the DC Universe talking about how important family is and dismissing any possible fallout from the mind-wipe business. It puts the "Doo" in "Dupe".

rabideyemovement

21:44 / 15.12.04

What a crap finale! Really good with the build up and then... WHAMMO! big steaming pile of weak-ass ending! What a let down.

23:01 / 15.12.04

Would anyone care to Spoil it in detail?

01:22 / 16.12.04

spoiler

Jean did it. to get ray back. not much examination of her mind state, except that she makes some crazy faces and tries to convince ray it was all a good thing for the families of the heroes. that's who benefits you see. killing sue was an accident, and the rest was cover.

Ray puts her in arkham under heavy meds, then drops off the face of the earth in sorrow.

lots of heatwarming life affirming family stuff. no repercussions of the bats mindwipe. no explination of owen's parentage, no luthor battlesuit. no dr light. it was all a lot of disparate threads unravelling from a common event.

pretty weak, even though i called the killer and the motive in detail a month ago >cough<

02:32 / 16.12.04

Did anyone really think it would end well?

I think the only non-crap pages were Ralph talking to his dead wife. Not touching or moving or anything, just creepy.

What's the point then?

Spoiler!

It brought superheroes and their loved ones together.

I wonder when he wrote those

WHO BENEFITS WHO BENEFITS WHO BENEFITS

panels, if he really thought it was passable writing.

Horrid but I expected it and didn't spend a dime on the book.

05:47 / 16.12.04

so jean did it all to make ray scared that she would die too, because ray being scared would make him get back with her?

what about just faking her own suicide and then tadaah I'm not dead? why murder a whole bunch of people to achieve that end? what about a fucking dinner party and some heartfelt conversation? what about getting drunk and fucking each other?

hello?

m.

goodkingwenceslaus

05:49 / 16.12.04

I agree wholeheartedly Matsya!

07:14 / 16.12.04

Utter pile. 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1,... *pfft*

Really, I hate to sound completely desensitized to that whole 'death' thing, but this was supposed to be a "DCU-shaking comics event". And the only thing that was really 'shaking' (Batman gettting his memory wiped) was barely touched on in the last issue. Bleah.

10:34 / 16.12.04

Alla you guys are soooo wrong.

Boby Wayne, or whoever the fuck at DC, thinks this is genius. We're just sour that some fucking z-list characters are raped/dead. How can we even begin to notice, the cleverness, the richness of the commentary, the...

Yeah, fuck you Meltzer and everyone at DC who thought this was worth printing.

11:20 / 16.12.04

this all sounds deeply rubbish. the 'alfred possessed by jason's ghost' theory was much better.

11:43 / 16.12.04

Did you make that up?

I kinda guessed this, without ever opening an ish. Dull, dull, dull.

11:52 / 16.12.04

nah, was on lying in the gutters the other week, prolly blogged by some rampage-affiliate or other.

Mister Six, whom all the girls

12:26 / 16.12.04

In all fairness (and this a not an attemot to rescue the series' dignity) can anyone mention a mega cross-over (and as this only crossed over into three titles it doesn't qualify, but it WAS heavily publicized) that DID effect the entirety of all the titles?

I'll start by pointing out that Crisis on Infinite Earths ultimately destroyed continuity and killed off more ideas than characters. To me Crisis was about getting Perez to worl on Wonder Woman, Byrne on Superman and Miller on Batman... which sadly did not last long. Crisis really got used well with the creation of the JSA comic years later when the actual lineage of superheroes got used. And that was YEARS later.

But as an immediate effect on the DC/Marvel universe... what actually delivered?

13:06 / 16.12.04

secret wars? she-hulk leaves avengers/joins ff leaving torch free to shag alicia, spidey had his black togs, kitty and pete broke up, 'iron man is a brutha' revealed to the heroes, hulk loses his mind, molecule man becomes most powerful villain bar none...

13:12 / 16.12.04

Crisis really got used well with the creation of the JSA comic years later when the actual lineage of superheroes got used. And that was YEARS later.

Well, don't forget about Infinity Inc. (though you may wish to). Not only did it exist on both ends of the crisis, it bridged the gap between the generations of superheroes in a far more essential way than the Teen Titans "sidekicks out on their own" comics. I like the way Geoff Johns in JSA has kept building on that series rather than ignoring it.

That said, ugh, Jean did it? So, stupid...

Mister Six, whom all the girls

13:16 / 16.12.04

Was Infinity Inc any good? Recent issues of JSA refer back to the series and I really enjoy Jerry Ordway, but... I remember it being horrible.

15:10 / 16.12.04

I haven't even read this yet and I'm already disgusted...

here's the musings of a favorite essayist of mine who goes by the name of 'ahbay' from another board...

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its ridiculous. after she admits to it, she gets all "come on-- i'm your wife! you're not going to turn me in!" like just this weird ugly "haha-- silly bitch" scene... and the whole scene's in lingerie..?

and its followed by these two pages of her "motivation" -- like two pages of various dc characters hugging- father hugging kids, and brothers hugging sisters, and ray palmer about to roger his wife-- with this block of text of "one question kept getting asked throughout this series: who stood to gain from murdering a superhero's loved one? And the answer is obvious -- OTHER loved ones." ... what???

beyond the whole superficial "the fuck-- seriously? are you serious? c'mon you're fucking with me" level, its like, it really reduces the series down to "Beware girls and their attempts to inflict adult emotional relationships onto you!" undercurrent, that's just fucking brilliant... like, "how dare relationships distract you from what's really important -- adventuring with the Justice League of America!!!"

can all comics just come with a box saying "Its Right To Be Alone and Pitied, Fans" -- you know, in the space where the Comics Code symbol used to be. why not just slap it on the cover?

yeah, what's with that guy? like, i don't want to slander the guy-- i'm not 100% sure whether its issues with women or issues with being a really really shitty writer. but... yeah, what is with that guy?

and then it ends with, like, three pages of elongated man talking to himself-- well, talking to his dead wife, but its not... its not touching or sad at all. its really fucking CREEPY. its like if Silence of the Lambs ended with the Lambs guy going to a cocktail party in his new woman dress... its like they end this big blockbuster with a scene of a crazy person about to masturbate into the severed head of a Teddy Ruxpin or something... it just ... it really fucking creeped me out. not touching or sad even a tiny bit...

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