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Dead Megatron
21:06 / 06.02.06
I know that certain Wiccans would like to imagine that they hold the copyright on the word, but that's their problem.

Gosh, that sounds familiar...
 
 
Char Aina
21:18 / 06.02.06
wiccan, i believe.
a member of a coven too, suggesting at least serious interest, if nowt else.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:26 / 06.02.06
Oh sure. The thing is that there's more than one kind of Wiccan these days, and different paths have different attitudes to certain systems and practices. It's heckofa complicated.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:00 / 08.02.06
Actually, I'm reasonably sure that idea of the Tarot being malicious and guiding people's lives towards a specific agenda might have its source in Mike Carey's vertigo comic "Lucifer"...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:45 / 08.02.06
I don't know, I had born-again Christians lecturing me on how the Devil was using my Tarot cards to speak to me back in 1990.
 
 
Dead Megatron
11:21 / 08.02.06
There are people who will see the Devil in pretty much everything (not on themselves, though, of course)
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
11:33 / 08.02.06
I don't know, I had born-again Christians lecturing me on how the Devil was using my Tarot cards to speak to me back in 1990.

It's like ghosts isn't it. Pre-reformation, people saw and interacted with ghosts of their ancestors on a fairly regular basis. There are lots of accounts of it. Post-reformation, it was established by the church that spirits of the dead could not return to visit the living under any circumstance. This didn't stop people having these experiences, so the church's spin doctors decided that all instances of ghostly sightings were in fact instances of "The Devil" attempting to trick the living by appearing in the guise of a person's deceased loved ones. Hence Hamlet's indecision concerning the ghost of his father.

Probably a comparable demonisation of divinatory tools at work.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:50 / 08.02.06
Also a historical demonisation of cards in general (The Devil's Books and all that) because they could be used for eeeevil gambling. (In Spain and Italy, and presumably elsewhere, people still play at cards with a deck that's essentially the Minor Arcana.)
 
 
Sekhmet
12:31 / 08.02.06
On the subject of Ogham - mythologically speaking, it was created or discovered by the god Ogma. (IIRC, Ogma is a son of the Dagda.) So yes, Tuatha de Danaan connection there is.

However, MC's script doesn't look like Ogham much.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:39 / 08.02.06
No, it looks like this.

Could be nothing. Bits of it look like symbols I've seen before, from other alphabets and stuff. It felt important when I was doing it but I don't know.
 
 
grant
19:43 / 08.02.06
Does this "ping"?

Some of it seems like this. And the chalkiness seems a lot like this.
 
 
jeed
08:37 / 09.02.06
A fair bit of it looks aramaic, or possibly elder hebrew...
 
 
grant
16:38 / 09.02.06
Man I wish we could move these posts to that Alphabet thread I started... lemme put in a link.
 
 
Quantum
18:49 / 09.02.06
the idea amongst some neo-pagan types that the Tarot is EVAL

Y'what? Really? How riddikulus, I haven't come across that except from ex-churchers.

Mordant, I found a book on runes in my shop by a nazi/nazi-esque dude, absolutely vile, can we have a competition? Worst rune book Eva?
 
 
illmatic
19:01 / 09.02.06
Re: EVAL TAROT

There's actually some stuff from Crowley about this, believe it or not. Not that he ever said Tarot was evil, but he felt all divinatory systems bar the I Ching could be led astray be the "elementals". I think he felt this was particularly the case with geomancy. This stuff is in the chapter on Divination in Magick in Theory and Practice, if memory serves.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:06 / 09.02.06
I'll have to go back and read that, it sounds interesting. I've been trying to get led astray by elementals lately.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:22 / 09.02.06
I found a book on runes in my shop by a nazi/nazi-esque dude, absolutely vile, can we have a competition? Worst rune book Eva?

%No, really?% I love Team Norse, but there's a band with some really shit fans...
 
 
Dead Megatron
22:22 / 09.02.06
but he felt all divinatory systems bar the I Ching could be led astray be the "elementals"

And that's why I love the I-Ching. Always impartial
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:50 / 10.02.06
Okay, this probably really is a stupid question but there's a discussion on the Policy forum about changing the Temple forum description--everyone who actually worries about that sort of thing has already seen it, right?
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
13:47 / 13.02.06
been reading it, thought it was cool, had little to input. I think the emphasis on Change is interesting and I'm looking forward to where things might go.
 
 
Dead Megatron
14:34 / 13.02.06
Changing is good, but we have tob e careful what we change into. "Religion, mysticism, neo-paganism and Chaos Magick" is a great "slogan", so to speak. It was the reason why I joined Barbelith - other than the name "Barbelith" - in the first place (and yes, I know some will wonder if me joining this forum was a good thing to begin with...)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:41 / 13.02.06
But like I said in the Policy thread, it's not an accurate representation of what we have going on here. It's too narrow.
 
 
Dead Megatron
17:27 / 13.02.06
So is every slogan. The purpose is to atract attention. We only have to ask ourselves: do we want to atract attention.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:29 / 13.02.06
But it's not a slogan. It's a forum description. It's a description of the sort of stuff we do in the forum. If we're doing a narrower range of stuff--"Religion, mysticism, neo-paganism and Chaos Magick"--then having a forum description that reflects this will help ensure that the people who come along to the forum will be more interested in "Religion, mysticism, neo-paganism and Chaos Magick" than other related topics.

If, on the other hand, we have a broader range of subjects under discussion (as we do) and we'd like people coming into the forum to understand that so they will feel freer to contribute within that broader range of subjects (as we do), then a forum description, such as the proposed "Magic, religion, bodywork and applied psychology: the arts of Change in accordance with Will" is more relevant and more helpful to newer members.

It's less about whether we want attention than the kind of attention we want.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:39 / 13.02.06
I defer to thy wisdom, MC. Good sugestion for a new description (although I'd miss the "Chaos Magick" bit)
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:40 / 13.02.06
One question: Wouldn't "mysticism" be a better description than "magic"? How exactly would we define the difference?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:54 / 13.02.06
They're different things, though related. Mysticism is more about changing the self, the outlook, through communion with the Divine (however one does that). Magic can include mysticism, but implies the act of trying to affect external reality in some way as well as practices affecting only the practitioner.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
19:58 / 13.02.06
(although I'd miss the "Chaos Magick" bit)

Why?
 
 
grant
12:02 / 14.02.06
I've been thinking I'd miss the "mysticism," myself. I can't entirely put my finger on why, other than that's the field (? axis? practice?) I identify most with as far as Temply stuff.
 
 
Dead Megatron
12:12 / 14.02.06
Why? it's what got me into this forum in the 1st place. besides, it's cool
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:16 / 14.02.06
No. It isnt.
 
 
Quantum
12:34 / 14.02.06
Let's keep Mysticism.
 
 
Seth
13:45 / 14.02.06
For me the notion of magic already incorporates mysticism, and so in being concise it's therefore first to go. Not including it in the forum description bears no relation to whether there'll be a cessation of discussing it, because a lot of us are naturally of that bent anyway - elements of it tend to creep into a lot of stuff that we write.
 
 
Dead Megatron
14:56 / 14.02.06
No. It isnt

Why not? Just asking
 
 
illmatic
15:06 / 14.02.06
We only have to ask ourselves: do we want to atract attention.

What's all this "we" business? Is this the royal "we"?
 
  

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