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Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
17:46 / 22.10.05
So what is said book?
 
 
rising and revolving
18:38 / 22.10.05
"72 is the number of occult significance - I believe it's the number of spirits in the Goetia, which originally were locked up by Solomon (correct me if I'm wrong someone) - so perhaps that's the reason for the usage?"

That's right. Also the 72 names of the Schemhamphorasch, the 72 fold name of God - which is the result of permutating the three verses of Exodus (19, 20, and 21 by memory) that have 72 letters each.

Some people suggest that the Schem and Goetics are two sides of the same equation. Not sure if I follow with that, but either one can be assigned to each 5 degrees of the wheel of the Zodiac - 72 * 5 = 360 ...

Lots of 72 though. Generally considered one the important numbers...
 
 
Mirror
01:22 / 26.10.05
Okay, so I'm a complete Temple newb despite having haunted other corners of the 'lith since just post-Nexus. In the interests of pursuing an idea I had recently, I'm wandering around in here trying to get some ideas for initial steps to take on figuring out spirituality from the inside, instead of from the out as is my usual approach.

So, my question. Is ritual really necessary for attempting magickal work? Because, in general, I suspect I'll feel a trifle silly doing rituals, and I'd like that not to discourage me.
 
 
*
01:39 / 26.10.05
Well, don't let it discourage you, then.

Part of the power of ritual, IME, comes from getting into a place where looking silly is totally off your radar. Certainly one can do magic without ritual, if by ritual you mean the wand and hat and long strange mumbly bits in other languages. But ritual certainly helps one get the skill and discipline necessary to get to the stage where it is no longer required. IME.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
01:40 / 26.10.05
Hmmmm. It depends what you're hoping to achieve. I can't think of anything really groovy that wouldn't involve at least some element of ritual, even if it's only muttering the 23rd psalm as you train some hunting money.

Why not feel silly? Doing stuff that makes you feel more than a little ridiculous is healthy, IMO; shows you're breaking down barriers, stepping outside of your comfort zone. Just go with it. The only thing I've found as powerful as feeling silly is feeling afraid, and you can have a bit too much of that.
 
 
Mirror
02:11 / 26.10.05
Well, don't let it discourage you, then.

Well, yeah, but it's a long way from here to there, you know?

Anyway, I want to start simple. I'm going hunting in a week, and I guess that that's always had a sort of primal, magickal feel to it. Any suggestions on how to do some work toward a successful hunt? I figure there must be more rituals for this than just about anything else out there.
 
 
Cat Chant
12:59 / 26.10.05
Last night Tangent and I both dreamed that we couldn't remember the other one's name. Anyone got any ideas what that might mean?
 
 
Unconditional Love
17:53 / 26.10.05
Go find a cave.
Draw pictures on its walls with charchol and berries of the animals you want to catch, by the light of a smal lit fire.
Dance round and round the fire until your coughing on smoke, dizzy and want to fall over.
Take a last look at the animals on the wall.
Put out the fire.
Sit in the blackness of the cave and let it all sink in.
After a time, when your feeling alone and scared to be in the dark of a cave.
get up walk out of the cave without looking back.
At the entrance cut yourself and consecrate the cave mouth with your blood.
Go home remember to pack a torch, best to dance naked.
 
 
Unconditional Love
17:56 / 26.10.05
You are seeking the nameless one. (broad mystical smirk)
 
 
adamswish
12:02 / 27.10.05
a little help would be appreciated:

I'm creating some images for the new version of my personal website (which is mutating into a business website). Card images of me, a mix of the royal set of playing cards (mirror images in the majority) and tarot design (as the elements, or whatever's out there, seem to be pointing me towards) and named: The Chairman, The Businessman, The Agent, The Socialite, The Guru.

I'd like to add a little something to them, some good fortune power so the business takes off etc and I'm wondering what the best way to do that is.

So far I'm thinking of either some ritual to empower them (although hard as there won't be any physical version of the cards, everything is on-screen); or slipping in some sigil designs into the background of each card (either one unifying sigil or seperate parts that make a whole).

Any thoughts?
 
 
Unconditional Love
12:08 / 27.10.05
Perhaps creating a significant background for the cards to appear upon, patterned sigil, not strong enough to draw attention from the cards but intricate and pleasing enough to the eye to be noticed, Have you seen the material frames around tibetan thangkas? or the wave and spiral patterns in some designs, there attractive in there own right, but still dont detract from the image of mahakala for example.

Intresting enchanted wall paper basically.
 
 
adamswish
09:01 / 28.10.05
Cheers for that Nephilim.

I hadn't seen the thangkas before but just done a quick googling for images of them and I am impressed. Kind of like mystic fractuals which I think would add to the background of each card (the background of the "page" they sit on is another image of me. Egotistical, moi?).

So in creating these patterned sigils should I collapse my sigil into a mantra and have that playing in my head while designing and charge by proxy, or actually try to incorporate the sigil/base desire into the design. Maybe using my old favourite of using dingbat fonts and creating a mystical image, or breaking down the desitre into binary and drapping it over the image in a faded fashion (I have an address of a site that converts words to binary code at home)?

And I'm guessing these patterns will work best if they reflect the individual character of each card rather than be a uniform design for the five. Kind of like five small desires that act like stepping stones to the biggy. Which, I've been told is a great way of using sigils if, like me, you have a problem in "forgetting" their intention...
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:44 / 28.10.05
Sheer curiousity. What're good ways to deal with living in a haunted house?
 
 
Unconditional Love
10:18 / 28.10.05
Move, move quicker.....

No idea.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:02 / 28.10.05
Sheer curiousity. What're good ways to deal with living in a haunted house?

Have you considered growing a beard, moving down to the basement, carving up your family, maybe eating them, and then having a bad horror film made about it ten years down the line?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:51 / 28.10.05
Phone Rentokill. That's not a ghost.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:54 / 28.10.05
Or, to unpack that: Purely hypothetically, look at rational explanations for the "haunting" before doing anything else. If that doesn't help, your next step would depend on the nature of the haunting.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:06 / 28.10.05
Phone Rentokill

Or Rentaghost! Get a couple of 16th century thugs to beat up the old bastard rattling his chains in the attic.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:07 / 28.10.05
Also, what are you doing believing in a haunting anyway? Given your stance on such matters?
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:29 / 31.10.05
Also, what are you doing believing in a haunting anyway? Given your stance on such matters?

(Looks up at title of thread, reads thread description).

I don't see anything that requires me to believe in something to ask a question about it.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
07:36 / 31.10.05
Or Rentaghost!

*Shudders* That's harsh. Exorcism via appalling puns.
 
 
Katherine
08:17 / 31.10.05
What're good ways to deal with living in a haunted house?

Finding out why it's haunted in the first place would be a good place it start.

As for dealing with living there it all depends on the nature of the haunting, whether it's a nice haunting ( for example seeing things or things being moved around when you know it's not your housemates) or a bad haunting (for example something trying to force you out of the house.)

Nice haunting you can live with, in our house we have unexplained cats (we have three live ones as well) plus on the odd occasion cooking smells upstairs like bacon or toast when no-one is cook in the kitchen. And things get moved on the odd occasion but it's liveable with.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
10:35 / 04.11.05
Can anybody suggest a good/informative web site that has a reasonable amount of information on Celtic influenced paganism?
 
 
Unconditional Love
12:18 / 04.11.05
Celtic polytheism
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
07:28 / 07.11.05
Excellent, cheers Middle. Would anyone know of a web site that also looks at the place Celtic Poltheism plays in modern paganism?
 
 
electric monk
16:48 / 08.11.05
In general, how forgiving are the gods?

About a year back, I started trying to form a relationship with Attis (vegetation god, also a nurturing figure as I came to discover). It was going along pretty well but, through laziness and shit time-management, I seem to have lost whatever tenuous link I once had. I wonder if I've fucked the relationship totally, or if I might be allowed to re-establish ties. Slowly, of course, and with a renewed sense of dedication. Would this be acceptable, do you think?

Have been pondering this all day, and the bumping of the "Look What I Can Do" thread may be a good sign. But I have to ask all of you.
 
 
Chiropteran
16:58 / 08.11.05
We lowly mortals are not the one you should be asking, and I think you probably know that.

Of course, you might get some indication from the myths of Attis - pillars of salt much, or no? Some Powers are forgiving, others are not, and often much depends on circumstance. Some might demand more or less formal penance.

Maybe a humble devotional service and offering, followed by divination?
 
 
electric monk
17:10 / 08.11.05
Very sensible. Thank you.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:43 / 08.11.05
Depends on the God, really. Don't get too downcast if you get put through the wringer a bit when you first try to rebuild the contact; from what I've heard from people in similar circumstances, and experienced myself, sometimes there's a temporary rough patch to get over which functions sort of assesment. How serious you are this time, how you've developed, that sort of thing.
 
 
*
23:10 / 08.11.05
Have you thought of asking Cybele about it, monk?
 
 
electric monk
11:56 / 09.11.05
MC - You've exactly nailed what I fear most about this. I've made my bed, tho, so I plan to lie in it.

id - I had not, but that's another good suggestion. Thanks!

Will break out my cards ASAP and try to find Square One again, and may start a thread on this when I have something to report.
 
 
adamswish
16:54 / 09.11.05
update:

the cards are complete. I've incorporated parts of the five elements I found in a Feng Shui book (colours and shapes) that are beneficial to the image and intent of each card. The numbers of each card represent my use of the number nine (drawing on ganesh and also my tarot personality and essnce card) with the one, non-mirrored image holding the infinite sign.

Thank you for the advice once again...
 
 
Gendudehashadenough
19:51 / 09.11.05
I've been running around in circles on this board for a good long while. In that time I'm sure I've formed a similar reputation to that which the Teh Dark Magus epithet describes, though I think I tend to be a little more low key about my issues (aside, of course from the littany of confusion that graced/tainted the Maladaptive thread).

That aside, I have a random question about chakras and dreams.

Last night I had a dream that was the most coninuous and lucid that I have experienced. I remember falling into the dream from, that point before sleep (semi-consiousness) and literally felt like i was falling back into my body lying on my bed at it's extravagant conclusion. I understand the highly subjective nature of everything that happened, so I'm not going to go into details, but one thing seemed to hold my attention more than anything else as I was recalling the experience.

During the dream, it felt like I was being "told" or "shown" the various stages of a neophyte's developement (using radically different allegorical scenarios), specifically with regards to the chakras. A few weeks ago, I was speaking a self-styled shaman/pyschic/cyrstal practitioner. Much of the stuff she went over I disagreed with (here idea of shamanism, as expressed to me, was very shallow) but I did find it interesting when she mentioned the rotation of the chakras. (muladhara, sacral, etc.) She stated that all the chakras rotate in a clockwise direction.

In the dream my temporary "guide" drew my attention, quite intensly to the fact that the chakras alternation, there rotation rising from the root, to the sacral, to the naval, etc; each rotating the opposite way of the one preceeding it. I check this online, and found this to line up prefectly with my dream experience of the chakras, except for one thing: my root chakra (red) was spinning counter-clockwise, and my sacral (orange) was spinning clockwise. (these were the only two that I perceived in the dream, and the two which are causing the most problems in waking life.

So, I ask, what could this indicate? Does it have something to do with some conception of an astral body being the opposite of corporeal one, thus the opposite chakra rotation? Or is there something completely out of wack with my subtle body? Is this even something someone else can answer, or should I seriously pursue (like I'm planning) and relationship with the "guide" in my dream?

Any speculations for the wise are appreciated, and thanks for continuing the highest level of discussion I've found on the net.
 
 
rising and revolving
15:23 / 10.11.05
Bi-Cavial, I've come across this concept a few times. Funnily enough, primarily in western texts that deal with Chakras in a slightly different fashion than most others.

There's an interesting diagram in "The Rosicrucian Cosmo-conception," (a strange piece of work in itself) that shows three different patterns of circulation of energy. I found copies here - A B and C

If you check those out, although there's no reference to chakras or direction of rotation in the text, that's clearly the experience that inspires the illustration.


I've also had some experience with similar dreams, leading to sensations of chakras "activating" - I wouldn't say changing direction, but definately similar experiences...
 
 
eye landed
06:40 / 11.11.05
i refuse to start a new thread for this, but i am compelled to ask. what is this woman (liberian presidential candidate) doing with her forehead/ajna?



and fwiw, 'positioning it in front of a wall' doesnt tell me anything.
 
  

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