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New X-Men #146 (SPOILERS)

 
  

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I'm Rick Jones, bitch
09:53 / 09.09.03
Oh fuck this is for real.

What a fucking pointless fan-fiction level twist.

I remember shaking when I read the E is for Extinction trade, assuming it was some sort of parrallel reality- after all it was too "different" to be in the MU. Then I found out it was in continuity and I was so fucking excited- it got me interested in comics again for the first time since I dropped 2000ad on the grounds that it was shit.

And now? Instead of telling a truly cool story Grant's told a nonsensical one which shits all over the things I loved about this book UNLESS he's planning to kill Mags again, explicitly, in which case hahahaha fuck you fanboys.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:13 / 09.09.03
You need valium, counselling, and possibly to wait until you've read the next five or so issues.
 
 
diz
11:33 / 09.09.03
i thought it wasn't out until tomorrow?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:41 / 09.09.03
Radiator, I think it may be a good idea for you to familiarize yourself with reality. You seem to be living in your own little world in which major franchise villains remain dead forever, or can be written off as irrelevant forever by some guy from Scotland. I think it's fucking WONDERFUL that Morrison has defied the expectations of his most obnoxious fans - he faked you out, he suckered you completely, and you believed his hype. Haw haw.

Magneto is the main villain in the X-Men. He and Charles define the essential conflict of the story. Grant wanted to take it to the core of the concept, and here it is.

Go back over your back issues. He's clearly planned this all along. Again, he totally suckered you. He suckered almost every one of us. I think that's great.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
12:34 / 09.09.03
eMost obnoxious fans= you, flux, you anal wanker. Bringing Magneto was the worst thing he could have done. Morrison's run was supposed to be about stopping the comic from going septic, remember? I quote:

"What was dynamic becomes static- dead characters always return, nothing that happens really matters ultimately"

"The comic has turned inwards and gone septic like a toenail"

Grant doesn't own the X-men, no. But he had the freedom to let whoever takes over ressurect mags in #155 while writting something original. And Magneto has never been "irrelevant" in Morrison's run, always reaching from the (apparently empty) grave to cause shit (have you been reading the same comics as me? What did you do when you were reading Kid Omega and Riot? Keep your eyes closed?). This is in my humble and subjective opinion a fucking awful twist and a waste of the best new character in years.

Go on, make another post about how Magneto is an integral part of the X-men concept again. And again. And Again.

Apropo of nothing, this is the second time mags has come back from the great beyond under morrison: he was claw-fucked to death by Wolverine in #113, then brought back in a crippled state only to be pasted by the mega sentiels in #115. I always wondered why morrison did that. At the time it seemed like clarification.
 
 
_Boboss
12:53 / 09.09.03
Flux said:
Go back over your back issues. He's clearly planned this all along. Again, he totally suckered you. He suckered almost every one of us. I think that's great.

but the only one here with a massive amount of shit on their face for having swerved so massively the other way is you isn't it? or have you gone back through all those posts you've been boring us with for ages and changed 'apocalypse' to 'maggie'?
 
 
The Falcon
13:01 / 09.09.03
To be fair, I said Apocalypse too for a bit. And y' never know.

But Flux does indeed = the most obnoxious GM fan on the net, I think.

Still, Radiator, I'd suggest that we wait 'n' see. 4 more parts remember! And I'm hardly so daft as to suggest it's a direct switcheroo. That would be a bit shit.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:02 / 09.09.03
Gee, I thought Morrison's run was supposed to be about telling a good story and entertaining the readers.

Please do try to separate reality from his pitch, okay?

Khaologan23ris, I did think it was Apocalypse. So did a bunch of other folks. But he faked me out too. He faked everyone out, and it's been clear that he's been doing it all along. I like this. I think it's better to be surprised. It's good that after all this time, Morrison still knows how to sucker his audience. This is supposed to be fun, remember?

I think you folks keep forgetting that you're reading a franchise superhero comic book. You need to be reminded again and again. This isn't the fucking Invisibles, it's a superhero soap opera, and that's been Morrison's angle since the beginning. The first story was about an evil twin. The last story is about the archvillain returning after faking his death. This whole thing hasn't really been so much of a social parable or a magical spell so much as it has been high camp. Have some fun, okay? Lighten up. New X-Men is a joycore comic book.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:06 / 09.09.03
Oh please. Am I really that much of a Grant Morrison fan? I'm not the guy going on about his magical powers and Qabalistic references all the time. I dislike over half of the man's work. This place is overrun with drooling Morrison fanboys who think he's a real wizard, and I'm the one you single out?
 
 
Aertho
13:21 / 09.09.03
Ladies please. There are newbies present.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
13:22 / 09.09.03
Flux, relax! I'm really rather fond of you, despite the fact you're more abrasive than a sandblaster.
 
 
DaveBCooper
13:24 / 09.09.03
Speaking as a member of ‘everyone’, I don’t feel faked out, as I was just following the story and waiting to see what happened next.

Mind you, given the vociferous degree to (and sometimes downright rude manner in) which people online appear to advocating a story twist in a comic I’d guess 99% of us are still several days away from actually seeing, I now find myself hoping that the first panel of NXM 147 will be Xorn with his star-head back in place saying “Do you like my new-found Magneto impersonation skills then, Professor ? Professor? Oh, he’s fainted. Ah well.”

Anyone posting on Barbelith actually read the entirety of this issue ? Start to finish ?
 
 
_Boboss
13:40 / 09.09.03
Radiato - i know sun, didn't mean you.

Flux in your second post above i thought i almost detected a touch of humility. You feeling okay?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
13:53 / 09.09.03
Christ, I need glasses. Sorry dude.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
14:20 / 09.09.03
Issue 147 will in fact be Xorn removing mask after mask for 22 scintillating pages. He's Apocalypse! Wait, no, he's Cassandra Nova! Crikey, he's Mr Sinister! Bollocks, he's Cable! He's The Third Summers Brother(tm), he's Mojo, Xavier's triplet, Doctor Doom, The Old man who ran the amusement park, Kevin Spacey, blah blah blub.
 
 
Aertho
15:01 / 09.09.03
I think what pisses me off the most is the feeling that nothing new has actually happened. I mean, maybe THAT's the theme. NEW has happened: Genosha is gone, the School is outed... and we still have (potentially) selfish and diabolical Magneto fighting selfish and righteous Xavier for the "fate of mutantkind". It feels pathetic and worthless. I mean, they're just two mutants in a planet of millions. Maybe THAT's the theme.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:37 / 09.09.03
>> “Do you like my new-found Magneto impersonation skills then, Professor ? Professor? Oh, he’s fainted. Ah well.”

LOL!

I'm reserving judgment on all this until I actually read the issues. I have faith in Grant to make this all work. Although "X-Men emergency indeed, Charles...the dream is over" does sound a little cheesy to me, unless you read it in a tone of voice where Mags is 'commenting' on it's melodrama.

Plus, a return to Jimenez art and some serious Phoenix stuff coming up! Plus more Emma! How can we go wrong?
 
 
The Falcon
15:37 / 09.09.03
In as much as you write enthusiastically about Morrison comics on the net, you are a Grant Morrison fan, yes, Flux.

But everyone crying about this needs to calm down. I know you probably think you're not being fanboy about this, but in a fanboy/anti-fanboy synthesis way you really are. It's all about the overreacting.

I'm almost certainly not going to be impressed if it's just direct physical displacement, but yopp! I was completely blindsided by this one. This has been easily the biggest comics news about an actual comic, since - well, since I've read mbs about comics.

A good thing, surely?

Looking for the Third Way, Cheesed?
 
 
Quireboy
17:01 / 09.09.03
Cheesed - what are you looking for?

In terms of impact imagine in Dubya was kidnapped by the al quaida and taken to Bin Laden only for him to take off his beard and it was really Putin, "Ha, ha end of the Cold War I think not capitalist scum!"
 
 
Aertho
17:18 / 09.09.03
There never were two ways. Magneto was always public, and Xavier was always private, but both responded to the same thing. Now maybe Magneto WAS behind blowing Genosha up, but that may not be the case. Maybe Magneto DID enable Cassandra Nova to fight Xavier, but it backfired when she destroyed Genosha. Magneto amplified Lorna and his powers to make the radio signal and martyr himself. Then hid and waited, possibly building a new identity to attack and disable the agency responsible for the genocide. Maybe Cassandra was never responsible for the nano-sentinels, true...

Knowing the X-Men would show at the crash site, maybe Magneto engineered their development and laid them all over the Genoshan ground zero, as a trap and a bit of electromagnetic Montezuma's revenge, as phase one of his return.

Then Charlie/Cassandra f'd up by going public -something Magneto knew Charles would never do. With that action, Cassandra may have tipped her hand to Magneto's calculations, escalating the game and opening new avenues to Magneto's gameplay.

By tracking the X-Men's televised movements in Hong Kong, he was bale to utilize his agents, the Cuckoos, to throw off Emma and make the team believe he was a superpowered Chinese mutant. He then sent Esme and her sisters to the school to keep tabs on Emma, and ready the school for his eventual enrollment as a teacher. Esme may have psychically prodded Scott to fetch Xorn, who would be able to "cure" the nano-sentinels. The Stepford Cuckoos and Beak and Angel win the Imperial invasion, and Xorn's a new teacher.

Riot is instigated by QQ, who is manipulated by the Cuckoos to emulate OLD Magneto. And after being defeated, emulates post-Genosha Magnetoxorn.

Emma is killed to test Phoenix.

This is all BULLSHIT. Sophie died. if Magneto was some kind of sheep in wolf's in sheep's clothing, Emse wouldn't have engineered her death. Let Phoenix burn them all. I'm done hoping for the best.

Magneto's power signature has always been blue.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:44 / 09.09.03
What's funny is this is an old Ethan Van Sciver cover that we all saw months ago and just figured "oh, nice pic of Xorn showing us his star-for-a-brain head."
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:51 / 09.09.03
I don't think it's going to be even half as complicated as you're working it out to be, Chesed. And I think you're making the Cuckoos out to be more than they are.

Ethan, are you reading this? If so, did you know about this Xorn/Magneto thing when you were drawing these comics?
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
20:19 / 09.09.03
Esme was obviously recruited at the school by Xorn... which it seems is what Xorneto is doing with the special class. Then Dust goes haywire and madness ensues.
The confusing bit is how to reconcile Cassie with Xorneto.
She (seemingly) infected everyone with nano-sentinels. Perhaps it was Sublime all along?
Scott went to get Xorn not to heal the X-men but to heal Cassie's body with Xavier's mind inside. But he doesn't do that, he heals the X-men first. Did he deactivate the nano-sentinels or are they still dormant?
How did he get this technology?
Was he already aware of the sentinel base that Cassie took Trask to?
If he is the mastermind behind the Weapon Plus program, thereby playing the program at it's own game, what is his eventual masterplan?

Isn't mutant domination guaranteed if Humans are to become extinct in five generations anyway?
So whats he plotting for?

Who made kick? Who supplied it to the students? My guess is now Xorneto.
I dunno... Magneto always had questionable morality but he's never been this much of a proponent of the "greater good". I can't imagine he had a hand in the attack on Genosha.


There are sooo many unanswered questions....
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
20:50 / 09.09.03
I'm guessing that there is still a Xorn running around out there somewhere. Or, you know, buried in a flowerbed or something. But, at any rate, I don't necessarily think that Xorn = Magneto. And I think that we've probably seen the real Xorn at some point in our story.

And I don't think that we should discount an appearance from Apocalypse as an impossibility, although the "Scott is possessed!" angle might be a bit weak in light of Magneto's subterfuge.

Morrison has done interesting things with the title thus far. I will trust him to continue to do so until he fails to do so. Although my knee jerk reaction is to be slightly apprehensive about Magxorno. I will be less apprehensive if the name "Magxorno" actually gets used, though.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
21:23 / 09.09.03
Geek I may be, but the idea of a Xorn vs. Magneto clash is really fucking appealing.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
21:36 / 09.09.03
Regarding Kick, it seems that Quentin was getting Kick from Beak. Where did Beak get it? Possibly his teacher, Xorn?
 
 
The Falcon
23:15 / 09.09.03
Geek I may be, but the idea of a Xorn vs. Magneto clash is really fucking appealing.

'Tis, yes. Swearing emphasis well-used here, I think.

I want Xorn to be real, but sometimes it just doesn't work out like that. Classic X-Men - kill off one of yer best-loved characters - see also: Phoenix, Edie Sawyer. Thunderbird. Colossus.

But making it so he never existed is just plain insidious.
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
04:55 / 10.09.03
Hi, I'm here. Yeah, Grant isn't cheating. Everything you are reading was planned when he wrote his manifesto two years ago. I was told almost everything when I signed up, including stuff about Xorn. I was told the answer, but not the how and when.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:12 / 10.09.03
Thanks for the confirmation, Ethan. Was Xorn eating potato chips and contemplating cheeseburgers supposed to be some kind of weird hint?

Duncan, who ever loved Thunderbird?
 
 
diz
11:25 / 10.09.03
Duncan, who ever loved Thunderbird?

that old guy who talks to himself down by the bus stop seems to be fond of his Thunderbird, all lovingly wrapped in a paper bag.
 
 
Quireboy
12:19 / 10.09.03
Who says that Dust is following Charles to attack him - what if she's going to warn him...
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
12:31 / 10.09.03
Ah... very good. But I don't think she is. Issue's out tomorrow in the UK... any US-ers out there that want to give us a full synopsis?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:34 / 10.09.03
i'll try to post a synopsis when i get home tonight. gotta get to the store after work today!

(jeez, 5 pages of this topic and the book only comes out today)
 
 
diz
12:36 / 10.09.03
any US-ers out there that want to give us a full synopsis?

it's 6:30am now my time. i don't get off work for another 7 hours.... ~watches clock, drinks more coffee~
 
 
The Falcon
14:16 / 10.09.03
Actually, Thunderbird was only around about two issues. He could, potentially, have been loved. I dunno.

Still, something shocking to do.
 
  

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