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Urgh! Fuck!: A thread for untamed hate and anger [PICS]

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Less searchable M0rd4nt

08:20 / 11.05.07

I understand that the police are with you on that one, Granny. The reasons that herion is not prescribed are rather involved and, largely, a load of crap.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

19:13 / 14.05.07

Gah! Just... gah!

19:20 / 14.05.07

Bloody arsesome, more like. Christ.

19:24 / 14.05.07

I agree with Gah.

However, to mitigate the Gah, please note that, Triplets, your new name keeps making me think of this:

Dance Dance Socialist Revolution! (A really tiny revolution, mind, but still!)

20:53 / 14.05.07

Dance Dance Socialist Revolution!

Look at Marx go, shaking that beard!

MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!

21:50 / 14.05.07

I can't believe I'm working my ass off to make it in an industry largely supported by people who buy titillating Mary Jane statuettes.

21:56 / 14.05.07

Einstein, Peppermint, those propaganda posters have made my night, and are totally real (in my miiind).

Less searchable M0rd4nt

22:08 / 14.05.07

Just think of all the people who must have been involved in the creation of such a repellant artifact. Conceptual designers. Graphic artists. Sculptors. Marketing dudes. Alllll the way up to the top.

I shall find them and HARM them. I shall make them eat handfuls of Lux flakes. Then they shall wash my pants.

22:09 / 14.05.07

titillating Mary Jane statuettes wouldn't really bother me much. No difference between that and owning erotic prints, any number of Matisse pieces, or a dirty adults (and twelve yr olds who buy them between stacks of Archie's Pal Jughead thinking no one will notice) only porno comic.

The fact that she's doing laundry? That you couldn't do a similar Peter Parker statue? That this will be the first thing many people will see (surrounded by the collectable card-game of the month) when they even consider looking into a comics shop window?

Ugh.

Mon Oncle Ignatius

23:32 / 14.05.07

That was... ghastly. I'm so glad I don't go into comics shops very often.

23:58 / 14.05.07

The fact that she's doing laundry? That you couldn't do a similar Peter Parker statue?

No because (and I can't believe I have to spell this out) Peter Parker is busy out there, fighting crimes! If Mary Jane had super powers (aside from her super-hotness, as a six inch statuette that even the most depraved among us might stuggle to have congress with) it might be a different story. But she doesn't, and it isn't.

What did everyone else get out of this? I liked the one where Mary Jane seemed to be humiliated by the washing machine, in a strangely ecstatic way.

Let's face it, she's had this coming for over thirty years.

01:00 / 15.05.07

Then they shall wash my pants.

DO NOT LET THEM TOUCH YOUR PANTS for they will put holes in and make pictures and design concepts and it will be awful.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

01:45 / 15.05.07

What makes me angriest about that whole statue thing is the fact that I can't find a single thread about it on Byrne Robotics, which seems something of a waste.

02:04 / 15.05.07

My first thought: "No, M.J, its just webfluid!"

02:22 / 15.05.07

First thought was that at least it wasn't the fifteen year old Ultimate version. Followed by sympathetic backpains and the notion that that top is horribly designed.

But she's so happy and astonishingly well-balanced. Clearly, this is her moment of joy to shine with all her womanly femininity, or to make it safe for all levels of obsessive fen to do horrible things with the little statue, girly girlinity. She just needs a matching Peter leaning over to wash that dress she's worn ever since Romita drew her in it. You know the one.

Don't successful returned-from-the-dead model/actresses have people they could pay to do this sort of thing? Or, well, Jarvis? (Peter's still a New Avenger, right?)

And the Byrnerobotics forum won't have anything unless she calls Spider-Man 'Spidey' or has a bulging metal penis painted by Alex Ross. Or Byrne feel the need to prove he likes girls again.

Urgh! I hate that I miss the good old days of healthy, functional comics culture... and there weren't ever any.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

04:51 / 15.05.07

Someone on that page did this saying it was 'more intellectually honest'.

Reading that thread I want to apologise for everything stupid I said in the 'Feminism 101' and related threads.

05:11 / 15.05.07

Wait, so that doctored pic is to make it all better? Because MJ having a well-sculpted rear and all her teeth was the problem?

Wow. Apparently, I missed the point of frustration entirely.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

05:27 / 15.05.07

Decadent -- pull out some RUNAWAYS digests and make yourself feel better. That "statue" is -- well, words fail me. They failed me when I saw it yesterday and they continue to fail me.

I'm working on a thread in my head for Love Interests, to put in the Comics.

And on some level the subject matter of the statue is just so...bizarre! It's laundry? What? This is a sculpt based on an action comic and they have MJ doing laundry. Not slapping Tony Stark for being a dingus or running around in faux-Iron Man armour like she did that one time. I think between Jarvis and Aunt May being around, the laundry got done and it certainly wasn't by MJ or Peter.

miss wonderstarr

05:48 / 15.05.07

I don't know, I think it'd be kind of funny and cute to have a matching Peter Parker in ripped jeans and no shirt, grinning over his shoulder at MJ as he kneels to take a pie out of the oven or scrubs the kitchen floor. As a cartoony glimpse of a hot hero-couple's private life, I could see some appeal in it. I wouldn't buy it, but I think there's some artistry in the sculpt.

Funny how the guys criticising the MJ maquette on that other page are studying it real hard... "the worst thing is how her jeans are so tight, you can see she's not wearing panties!" / "no, she has a thong on... you can see it if you enlarge the image."

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

05:53 / 15.05.07

See, in an ideal world this would all just lead to a great She-Hulk lawsuit storyline.

10:48 / 15.05.07

Someone mocked up a Spiderman version which can be seen here -

Possibly NSFW, I guess it depends on how your work stands on cartoon versions of Spidermans arse.

Spidey

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

13:28 / 15.05.07

Wait, so that doctored pic is to make it all better? Because MJ having a well-sculpted rear and all her teeth was the problem?

I took it that the "intellectual honesty" referred to was that she was subjugated- in the mock-up she's got a black eye and is pregnant (and still barefoot).

14:56 / 15.05.07

I took it that the "intellectual honesty" referred to was that she was subjugated

The thing being, it's a bit suspect that the second image is more subjugated than the first. More than a bit presumptuous towards what sort of women would find themselves in a situation where they're smiling through their opression. To remove it from a citified fashion model context is to trivialise the tragedy of the issue. While, I'd expect someone to get offended as a woman to the that detournement, I'll settle to getting offended as a human being.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

15:03 / 15.05.07

Oh, totally, and I'm not saying that the response was necessarily a good one. From the thread, though, I gather it was a woman who did the mock-up (if that makes a difference) and that it was for the purposes of satire, like "this is what that statue's really saying to me".

15:03 / 15.05.07

MJ's got money to cover bruises and replace some teeth, after all. Or abort a baby quick so as not to decimate her all important figure.

intellectually honest should not mean drawing another demeaning picture because it looks a little farther from what you see in the morning or the mirror.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

15:09 / 15.05.07

Oh, as I said, I don't think it was the best response- I just thought it was more an expression of disgust than a suggested improvement. But maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

16:31 / 15.05.07

Decadent Nightfalling intellectually honest should not mean drawing another demeaning picture because it looks a little farther from what you see in the morning or the mirror.

What are you talking about?

16:54 / 15.05.07

Is there anything in that statuette that is made more 'honest' by the second image? It doesn't strike me as taking it further, but in a different direction. Nothing regarding the situation and queasiness I feel in regards to that item and the sort of people paying large amounts of money for it is enhanced by that detournement. It's simply shifted the area of disdain.

'Intellectually honest' would be admitted that there are probably successful, good-looking non-pregnant women who are demeaned all the time and then packaged up and sold to the world. I've seen too many people - helped too many - cover bruises to go before camera, or just out for the evening, to stomach the alternate option... which strikes me as far more classist than it does has enhancing the sexism.

(I could have saved everyone some time and just claimed personal opinion/distaste - if it's not shared, I'm probably just spinning wheels laying it out.)

Less searchable M0rd4nt

17:24 / 15.05.07

I think the joke is supposed to be: "The first MJ statuette implies that a woman's place is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Let's complete the picture, and while we're at it let's throw in a little domestic violence." It's not actually funny, but I guess they meant well.

miss wonderstarr

19:35 / 15.05.07

But the original MJ isn't pregnant, surely? I thought the joke, such as it is (not much of one in my opinion) was based round some idea of "white trailer trash" ~ a battered, pregnant girlfriend or wife. Maybe that's meant to be the kind of woman who would dutifully wash her husband's clothes in a pail (and would wear a midriff top and ripped jeans?) whereas MJ (as I understand it) is a relatively wealthy city girl.

Quite possible there are connotations I'm missing.

ONLY NICE THINGS

20:09 / 15.05.07

Well, it said intellectually honest, not factually accurate, so as a best guess it means that the creator of the sculpture and the target audiencefor the sculpture were, essentially, misogynists who wanted their women barefoot, pregnant and beaten. Not a terribly subtle message, but there you go.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

20:13 / 15.05.07

Maybe that's meant to be the kind of woman who would dutifully wash her husband's clothes in a pail (and would wear a midriff top and ripped jeans?) whereas MJ (as I understand it) is a relatively wealthy city girl.

For what I can remember, Mary Jane wasn't rich when she was younger and took care of her aunt in much the way Peter took care of his; it wasn't until later when she became successful in her acting career that she got wealth, and it was notably wealth she got herself. The classist vibe of the mock-up seems to be what Decadent was commenting on on upthread and threatens to be just as offensive as the original -- both of them bug me because they seem to be utterly the opposite of how MJ is traditionally characterized in the comics (for some reason I picture her making him wash his own supersuit if for no other reason than all the potentially hazardous chemicals or strange mutant secretions all over it) ON TOP OF how horrible the implication of the statue is.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

20:15 / 15.05.07

(Characterization issues bugging me from the point-of-view that the statue removes a nominally forthright, strong female charater's agency, obv.)

20:38 / 15.05.07

Y'know Erik Larsen actually had Peter do their laundry at one point. This was when he was trying to supermodel-up MJ, though. It's the only in-comics reference to Spidey-laundry I can think of that isn't about sewing or keeping old suits in the back of the closet.

So the Spider-Man one might even be in character.

The MJ one, not much. Unless there's some kind of Parkers-hit-rough-patch roleplaying fantasy going on.

21:14 / 15.05.07

I thought Reed Richards might be responsible for the maintenance of superhero costumes in New York (since he invented those unstable molecule fabrics) and would have an exclusively designed washing machine in the Baxter Building.

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