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moriarty
15:08 / 13.03.02
I like how it's been so quiet around here. Makes me think that everyone's working.

Sorry I haven't been around. I'm smack dab in the middle of finishing my portfolio. I'm fairly sure that I won't be making it into the school of my choice, but I really have no one else to blame. On the plus side, my back-up plan is sweet. I've applied for a self-employment program that'll last me all the way to next year.

Why am I telling you all this? Well, the good news is that not only will I be able to work on my submissions, but this will free up a huge amount of time for me to get this project done right, namely to set up the web-site. So expect huge advancements within the next two months.

Yay Team Comics!

And, Jade, that pic looks great. You should consider doing another story solo.
 
 
lentil
06:28 / 14.03.02
what course are you going for moriarty? Good luck with it, whatever it is - judging by what I've seen of your work, they'd be fools not to take you.
 
 
deja_vroom
12:36 / 14.03.02
Re: my pic.
Just you wait untill you see what The Fool is cooking up, mates...
 
 
Persephone
14:55 / 14.03.02
Wow. I just read this whole thread. (I have a job interview in two hours, and I am just trying to sit quietly and conserve my energy.)

Two things that immediately spring to mind:

1) I live down the street from Quimby's, which sells comic books and zines on consignment. Before the t-shirt thing took over, I had this idea of offering to be a zine broker for various fine Barbe zines & since the money would never be much (it's 60 cents on the dollar), I would send the proceeds to the Barbelith fund. Now that I'm setting up accounts and maybe even a P.O. box for Queer Granny, I'm even better situated to do something like this & I was going to flog some t-shirts there, too. If you're interested, I'm not sure what direction you were going to go marketing-wise.

2) Shoot, now I can't remember the second thing. Oh, I know... any chance of this being sort of digested & posted somewhere more permanent, the most likely place in the zine? I mean, it's good to have this thread as a idea-cooker, that's how Barbe tees has been working; but once you have a firm shape for the project, would be nice to be able to read all the essentials in a one pager... sort of like those "Draw this Rabbit" ads in the backs of some magazines.

I would love to actually participate in this, too... only I'm up to my armpits in t-shirts at the mo & don't want to promise what I can't deliver. I want to see, though!
 
 
moriarty
15:22 / 14.03.02
So, you tore off your water wings and started to do cannonballs, eh? You crazy kid.

Once all this mucka-muck involving the future of my education is finished I'll begin work on the Project site, tentatively titled "The Shifter Club." It will include the bare necessities for a person to be involved in the project, as well as an FAQ. I'm thinking the mandatory tag (the one that explains the Shifter copyright situation) applied to all Shifter work will also list the web address for people to gather more info.

Here's how the distribution will work. Each participant will get 2 stapled and folded copies of the print zine, as well as flat copies of the pages found within. Each participant will have permission to print off as many copies as they want to distribute, sell and give away. There will be a blank space on the cover for people to add a price, dependent on the cost of their printing. Money made will go towards their own time, work and expenses, with nothing coming back to me. The right to reprint these stories must be given by each participant, or they will not be eligible for the print zine. They will still be eligible for the web site, if they choose. The right to reprint is not reversible at a later date, largely because I don't want to go through the hassle of telling everyone involved that they can't print one story out of the whole anthology anymore.

Basically, each contributor will be a one-person distribution centre. This does not mean that this work is available for reprint by anyone. Only people who work on that particular issue (or, if we choose, any member of the Shifter Club in good standing, regardless of whether they contributed to a specific issue or not) can reproduce the comic. I figure this will get the work out in a big way.

If we don't agree that people outside of the contributors are allowed to reproduce the zine, then I will send you a box full of copies to take over to Quimby's, and I will do the same for anyone with a zine friendly store in the neighbourhood. I realize that this might sound like a big burden for me, but I would get more satisfaction out of getting this out there then I would in buying more useless crap. Also, I have a real cheap way to make copies, and can produce a 24 pager, with cover, for 25 cents each, Canadian. So, there's a good chance I'll be giving loads of these away.
 
 
Persephone
13:10 / 15.03.02
If you decide to accept subscriptions, I would like to sign up in any case.
 
 
Captain Zoom
15:19 / 15.03.02
I haven't checked in here for a while. You know of course that The Magic Mirror will distribute any zine anyone wants to send to me.

Also, and I may have mentioned this before, May 4th is National Free Comic Book Day. I'm being sent tons of free ones from tons of publishers. Is there any chance of this one being done by then? I've got people who are going to stroll around the parking lot giving out comics and I'd love for the Shifter to be a part of it.

Zoom.
 
 
moriarty
13:37 / 17.03.02
This is a copy of an email I sent to someone asking for info on the project. I thought I'd post it here for anyone coming in late.

quote:A FAQ is in the works. I'm real short on time right now, so it probably won't be up and running until the end of the month. I'll tell you the bare bones, but it might raise more questions than answers.

The Shifter is open source (or copyright free, I still haven't figured out the difference). Anyone can use her as a character so long as they stipulate that she is free for all to use, thereby passing along the privilige to all who read her adventures. You own the story, but not the character.

Now, here's where it gets tricky. While you can do anything you want with the character, and print it wherever and however you want, that does not mean that you have automatic entrance to the Shifter zine or webzine. Unlike the project itself, both those outlets have rules. Basically, for either the print or webzine, your version of the Shifter has to have some sort of basis on the original Shifter concept. The closer that better. For the print zine we've limited the page count to around 8 pages. Anything higher than that will be broken up into pieces and serialized. This is to prevent someone from taking up a whole issue. Also, it's probably a good idea to have the width of your comic be 2/3 the height, or, standard comic size. 10 x 15 inches, as an example. I'm not altogether sure what the final size of the print zine will be. I'll decide that when I get the work. If you're only contributing to the webzine, size, dimension and page count don't really matter. No matter what, PRINT LEGIBLY! I can't emphasize this enough.

There are no finished submissions yet, though someone did send me a story with a Shifter cameo, and that made me laugh. There are about 5 to 10 stories currently in the works. There are no due dates, though we have been telling people that they have to complete at least one page a month, just to crack the whip a little. Once I have one or two issues worth of stories, I'll start printing them up.

I think that answers all your questions. If you have anymore, feel free to email me again, or post on Barbelith itself. G'wan! You know you want to!


One more thing to add. The print zine will probably be an 8 1/2 by 11 inch piece of paper (your standard piece of paper) folded in half, making a real cute little zine. Odds are we will have stories that were produced at such a size that this might not look too great. That's cool, we'll just do one that's an 11 by 17 inch piece of paper folded in half, which will be twice the size and closer to the dimensions of a regular comic book. And, to make things even more complex, if enough people get it together to make comics in a different dimension, like, say, square, then we'll put one together compiling those comics specifically. Let me know if you plan on doing it before you start, so we can figure out how to best print it. And make sure you have enough people to fill an issue (at least 12 pages/2 stories).

Oh, and I just caught a sneak peek at a wonderful little story by two regulars that contains a Shifter cameo. She's so damn cute.
 
 
moriarty
02:22 / 20.03.02


Two pictures of the Shifter I doodled while in class today.



I've decided to see if I could draw a full on comic in class during the rest of the week using the above two characters. I don't know why I'm telling you all this, but it's late and I'm all slumber stoned.
 
 
deja_vroom
02:22 / 20.03.02
Dudes and dudettes, I just received page 1 of The Fools' art. I have it right here behind my back... but I won't show you!!
(runs)
 
 
gridley
11:31 / 20.03.02
Yay! I've finally got to the point where I can make a visual representation of Jenny that's recognizable as a human being.

a hideously out of focus human being, but hey....
 
 
Sax
12:02 / 20.03.02
Any of you buggers going to show us these pictures, then?
 
 
gridley
17:57 / 20.03.02
How do you put an image up? You have to have it up on some other website first, right?
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
18:41 / 20.03.02
Yeah, you have to upload the picture onto a website, right click (or ctrl click) on it to open it in a new browser window, then copy and paste the URL of that window into the post. Presto, we should be able to see it (that's how I do it anyway; seems to work).

I've done some drawings too, but if noone else is playing then neither am I. So there.
 
 
moriarty
22:18 / 20.03.02
Update.

I have copied all the relevant information from this thread onto one document. I plan on sorting through it, tweaking bits, shuffling it around and adding a few things. So, hopefully we'll have a semi-decent FAQ soon.

For the program I'm in, I have to set up a few simple websites as samples, including acquiring a domain name and a server. I can also write this, and the print zine, as a business expense. So expect quicker progress in the near future.

Captain Zoom has mentioned Free Comics Day, which is coming up in the beginning of May. If we have enough material a few weeks before that date, I will print up a preview for the Captain's shop. I would like to emphasize that there is no rush. I'm sure that there will be at least a few stories done by this point, so don't sweat it, take your time, and make your comic at a comfortable speed. I will be printing up at least a hundred to take down there to hand out. I will also send anyone interested a copy, as I'm sure the stories contained within will be in a different order than the actual, for real, first issue. Kind of like a slapdash variant comic.

I'm expecting the print zine to be approximately 24 pages in length, with between 3 and 5 stories, though this may change. Though you may write one story and draw another, or write and draw one story, nobody will write two stories or draw two stories within a single issue. For example, the story I'm drawing for Captain Zoom and the story I'm drawing myself will be in different issues.

I would also like to point out that contributions of pin-ups, covers, or single page "gag strips" ala Archie comics are heartily accepted, both by those already contributing and those who don't have the time to devote to a full story.

On a less official note, I've decided to make a Shifter car racing story before the jungle adventure. Go Speed Racer, Go!

And, having just read through the entire thread, I'd just like to say that page five makes me smile uncontrollably. You people kick ass.
 
 
moriarty
22:21 / 20.03.02
Rough estimate of stories currently in the works.

Flyboy + Nelson Evergreen
Captain Zoom + Moriarty
Rizla
Moriarty
Grant + Sorry About This
Sax + Lentil
Todd
Gridley
De Jade + The Fool
Dekapot Mass + Sweet Jane
Trqanspotr
 
 
rizla mission
15:14 / 21.03.02
<stupid kid>

that line-up of names sounds so cool. Let's publish under our Barbelith names!

</stupid kid>
 
 
lentil
16:15 / 21.03.02
well, actually I was going to go for "Sax and Lentil present" above the title - does that mean I really am a stupid kid?
 
 
levon
04:43 / 22.03.02
I've been sitting on an email from Grant inquiring about the progress of drawing his script. Instead of replying to the email like a decent human being I'll just post the situation about my progress on here. I haven't started yet. Right now I'm on my final semester in college, I'm trying to scrounge together a freelance business, I have two part time jobs, and I'm interning at a small press comics publishing company. So all that's been done of the project is a couple of pages of sketches and ultra rough layouts. I fully intend to finish it and do a good job, too, but right now I've got to paint until 6am so I can get a couple of hours of sleep before class tomorrow. Don't give up on me, Grant.

Levon
 
 
Sax
05:07 / 22.03.02
quote:Originally posted by a Man Called Lentil:
well, actually I was going to go for "Sax and Lentil present" above the title - does that mean I really am a stupid kid?


Apart from making us sound like we should be producing upmarket organic foodstuffs, no.

 
 
grant
13:29 / 22.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Sorry about this:
Don't give up on me, Grant.


Not at all! Rough layouts reflect lots of thinking time, and that's cool.

I was just thinking of you yesterday - had a deja vuish experience of meeting impulsivelad in a coffeeshop to loan him Flex Mentallo comics. Odd. Flex is becoming associated with tall skinny boys and the smell of latte for me.
 
 
levon
18:18 / 22.03.02
thanks for calling me tall
 
 
Saint Keggers
14:52 / 24.03.02
Ta-dah!
pic
Any writters needing an artist??
 
 
Captain Zoom
15:22 / 24.03.02
kegboy, if yer interested, I've got an idea brewing. I'll work on it for a couple of days and let you know. Any idea what kind of page count you'd like to tackle?

Zoom.
 
 
Saint Keggers
23:27 / 24.03.02
message deleted cause I done wrote the same thing twice...damn thing didnt show up at first.

[ 25-03-2002: Message edited by: kegboy ]
 
 
Saint Keggers
00:44 / 25.03.02
Capt. Zoom: Well not too big cause im gonna have to devote much tome to job searching..3-6 pages maybe?
 
 
gridley
18:56 / 27.03.02
errghh.. I just responded to a post from january!!!!!!! please disregard....
 
 
Captain Zoom
19:05 / 27.03.02
Cool keg. Gimme a couple of days. This is such a cool fucking thing. I cannot wait to see the finished product.

Yay us!

Zoom.
 
 
grant
20:05 / 27.03.02
Sorry about this At 21:18 22.03.2002:

thanks for calling me tall


thanks for... calling me.
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
22:36 / 27.03.02
Woo hoo! New site, new name, and I just got a rather sharp script from Flyboy. 'Tis indeed Party Time.
 
 
Saint Keggers
00:13 / 28.03.02
Yay us indeed!
 
 
moriarty
04:17 / 28.03.02
Sorry, this starts slightly off-topic.

I'm in this program to start my own business. The people in charge took me aside and told me that my business idea wasn't "tangible" enough, largely because I hadn't drummed up any clients already. A bit of a catch-22 seeing as part of the requirements of the program is that you don't start work until you're accepted into the program. Turns out everyone else broke this rule, so I'm being punished for following it.

In retaliation to this, I gathered together testimonials from all the people I had talked to about working on projects for them. I also put together a list of various other things I would be working on for the marketing aspect of the program. One of the things I'm considering putting into my portfolio is The Shifter Club. That way I can write off most of my expenses for it.

It dawned on me that one of my liabilities in this program is that I have a low overhead which seems to suggest that I'm not willing to put alot into my business. So I was thinking of ways I could counter this. And I realized that I could take the show on the road. I could, in fact, get a table at comic conventions. We probably won't have anything done in time for me to go to Chicago, but at the very least I'll hand out free copies to people at the Toronto convention.

What do you think?
 
 
grant
11:55 / 28.03.02
You have my blessing.

Hell, if I send you a nickel, can I be listed as a "foreign investor"?
 
 
moriarty
13:09 / 28.03.02
Tax Shelter Comics.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:52 / 28.03.02
I am so happy that my script-so-far has been well-received by its artist, after my moment of doubt at the weekend...

Bigger than Kavalier & Clay, I tells you!
 
  

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