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Cop Killer
06:51 / 25.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Enamon:

As for being overrated I have to say that one cannot claim a band to be overrated just because one has a personal annoyance about it or one doesn't like the voice or some crap like that. One of the most (in not THE most) overrated bands... the Rolling Stones.


How is it possible to give that example with the first sentence of that paragraph? I personally think that the Stones are a great fucking band, so who is right? It's really all a matter of opinion. If people hear Ani Difranco and don't like her music than they will say that she is overrated because all the music critics out there are falling over themselves over her.
 
 
bio k9
06:58 / 25.07.01
Having a song written about you doesn't make you the king of anything. If it did Wesley Willis would give everyone (himself included) a chance to be King for about two minutes or so. But who can argue with Mojo? He's the Perry Mason of Love for Gods sake! Debbie Gibson is pregnant with his (two headed) love child! Will the fetus be aborted? Who knows? All I know is they put his face on a nuclear bomb! Whatever Mojo says goes! Elvis is quite obviously the King. If you need anymore proof call: (619) 239-KING.

Don Henley Must Die!
Whatever happened to Skid Roper?
 
 
bio k9
07:04 / 25.07.01
The Rolling Stones should have died in a horrific, fiery plane crash immediately after they finished recording Some Girls. They were one of the greats...now they play their fame better than they play their instruments.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
07:12 / 25.07.01
Yeah; but let's look at the facts: after a lifetime of smack, Keith Richards looks better than he did then, and Mick Jagger's working his way through daughter-aged models. At least they can. Somehow, I don't think Travis is going to pick up their mantle.

Er, not that they should, or anything.

I think the Stones are now some kind of dyed freakshow; everyone knows it's just a matter of time until one of them dies on stage (is Ronny Wood in the lead, here?) but they'll keep singin' and dancin' (and releasing admittedly worse albums) until that time comes. They've been around since the sun was new, so it'd be a bit weird for a couple of years to roll by without another tour, wouldn't it? Even if the image of a spandex-clad Jagger doing that bendy-kneed dance is enough to keep you the hell away. I don't know, in some ways, it's reassuring.

Nu metal may come and go, but Mick and co will, unfortunately, be around forever. Them and the cockroaches, folks.
 
 
rizla mission
08:12 / 25.07.01
"Hey, are all you cockroaches ready to ROCK?"

"This is 'opeless, Mick. Cockroaches don't have any bleedin' money to buy tickets with!"

"But there're millions of the buggers! Look, they love us!"

"Oh my god, they're eating the stage!!"
 
 
Johnny Mother
08:12 / 25.07.01
The Eagles were shit. All anyone goes on about is Hotel California, which is a pretty crap song anyway. They're just a third-rate Lynyrd Skynyrd.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
08:12 / 25.07.01
Who sue charities.

As you do.
 
 
Ierne
12:56 / 25.07.01
Rolling Stones?

Anita Pallenberg will always be my favorite Rolling Stone.
 
 
No star here laces
15:31 / 25.07.01
The Beatles
Bowie
Jimi Hendrix
Company Flow
Anti-Pop Consortium
Run DMC
The Prodigy

All of the above can fuck off and die. The beatles were terminally twee and paved the way for every shite whiney rock band ever (they did invent the intelligent rock whinge song).

Bowie is basically a terminally soulless over-intellectualising ponce whose idea of glam allowed hundreds of alienated middle-class teenagers to throw a bunch of crap clothes together and call it style over the 30 years that followed the early 70s.
Jimi Hendrix allowed Van Halen and Eric Clapton to have careers by making guitar wankery acceptable and is therefore damned, despite having a couple of alright tunes.

Co-Flow and APC basically just can't rap properly, and how the fuck they get away with the audacity of putting the word 'Flow' in their name escapes me. Go home and listen to LL Cool J, you wankers, and when you can make simple words sound that good, then progress to the complex stuff. And fuck off with all that horrific noisy backing: you're not making rock now, son.

Run DMC are not classic rap. They are shite rap that happens to be old. They were always the weakest of their contemporaries and have been around for way too long. Their pathetic cash-in of prostituting their style by letting Rick Rubin slather guitar over everything set a dangerous precedent for Limp Bizkit and they also condemned us to that fucking Jason Nevins remix.

And the Prodigy? Christ on a bike. They have never done anything that was less than utterly derivative and a pale pastiche of various dance scenes.
 
 
Axel Lambert
23:03 / 25.07.01
The Eagles are not a sacred cow.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
00:26 / 26.07.01
I'll be honest with you: I have no idea why anyone liked the Grateful Dead, nor do I understand why anyone likes Phish, or Widespread Panic, or any of the current jam bands.
 
 
the Fool
01:13 / 26.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Cherry Bomb:
50,000 Elvis Fans Can't Be Wrong.


Sadly, they can. Its like all those people who ran out to buy Billy Ray Cyrus' Achy Breaky Heart. There were a lot of them too...
 
 
the Fool
01:20 / 26.07.01
Pearl Jam. Overrated, boring and not as good as their contemporaries. One okay album (their first) and then a lot of shit. Temple of the dog was much better. Both Pearl Jam and Soundgarden should have been abandoned for it to continue.
 
 
Cop Killer
06:28 / 26.07.01
quote:Originally posted by better the Fool you know:


Sadly, they can. Its like all those people who ran out to buy Billy Ray Cyrus' Achy Breaky Heart. There were a lot of them too...


No, you see, 50,000 Billy Ray Cyrus fans can be wrong, but 50,000 Elvis fans cannot.
 
 
bio k9
06:50 / 26.07.01
>>The Eagles are not a sacred cow.<<

I didn't mean to imply that the were or are... Don Henley Must Die! is another Mojo song.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
09:16 / 08.12.05
Coldplay- a hardworking christian band, which I'm not criticising anyone for liking, but, you know.
 
 
Sniv
12:31 / 08.12.05
if Coldplay are a sacred cow, can I be the one to use that hammer gun thingy and bash their brains in? That would make me a happy boy.

I'm forced to listen to (really shitty) radio at work, and they play Coldplay around 4 or 5 times a day. It's getting to the point where I have to leave the office when it comes on. Not that anyone else in the office will let me turn it off or over... but that's a story for another day.

Coldplay are a perfect example of lowest-common denominator bollocks. The new album is dire, and I'm saying this as someone who appreciated their last two. Since when is spacey, tuneless noodling and weak-assed falsettos great pop music? They are a bunch of eunuchs.

Also, somebody needs to tell Bono that not only is he no longer relevant, but he's shit at writing lyrics too. and tell the Edge to turn his guitar up, it's meant to be rock and roll, right?
 
 
matthew.
13:25 / 08.12.05
I hate U2. I just want to slap those sunglasses off Bono's face. Or better yet, go Tony Jaa-style all over the entire band's ass.

They're so pretentious now and all their fans consistently use the "but they're Important" defense, which is pure bullcrazy.

I like the old U2; the music was just better. For some reason, the new albums have been diluted of independent thought and musical innovation. Even the lyrics have been diluted. Yes, Bono, we all know there are problems in the world. Yes, Bono, we all know it's up to us to do it.

Hey, Bono, how did it feel to lose the Nobel Prize again? Yeah, you fucker.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
18:41 / 08.12.05
They are a bunch of eunuchs.

No. A real Eunuch band would be cool and extreme.

Coldplay are for people who watch Star Wars and say "Yeeeaaah- it was ok, but I thought the Death Star was too big and lethal. They should have called it the Mild Discomfort Star" or they read the Odyssey and go "Yeah but I think only having one eye is a bit much, he should have just been a bit shortsighted" or watch the very first Godzilla and, with a smug slide of their hand through their greasy hair, say "Of course, today's CGI is much better" or something.
 
 
The Falcon
18:59 / 08.12.05
Coldplay would be better if they were called Cosplay.
 
 
at the scarwash
20:12 / 08.12.05
I'd beg to differ on the Johnny Cash appraisal. Not that he actually deserves his pill-popping, bird shooting rebel "Saint of Sinners" role. But summing him up as a "Conservative, flag-waving Christian" is doing him a diservice. I can think of very few Christians as sincere and committed that I actually would have liked to invite to dinner. His work and personal stances were Christian in the best possible sense, and as for conservatism, sure, he was a Southerner of a certain generation, but one who believed in social justice and racial equality. Have you ever listened to "The Man in Black?"

"I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down,
Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town,
I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime,
But is there because he's a victim of the times."

Not really conservative, is that?

Not that I think that his output is an unassailable sacred cow. Until the Rick Rubin records, I don't think he ever put out a good record; like most of his contemporaries he was at his best a writer of good singles, and when he started attempting more cohesive works, they didn't quite work.
 
 
rizla mission
08:30 / 09.12.05
In retrospect, I think one of the most interesting things about Johnny Cash was how he managed to similtaneously embody both a charming, good ol' fashioned TV personality who conservative parents and little old ladies could like AND a blackclad, drug-huffing, prison-playing rebel who the punks and goths could dig.... without these roles interfering with or contradicting each other.

It's also funny how the latter image seems to have taken precedence since he died, and everybody seems to think he's this Dark Lord character. Somebody said to be just the other day, "Country music really annoys me, it's so dumb and cheerful... well, apart from dark stuff like Johnny Cash..". WTF?? I mean, leaving aside a)the fact that a genre founded on songs like 'Your Cheating Heart' and 'I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry' is about as far from "dumb and cheerful" as it's possible to get and b)what's so wrong with being dumb and cheerful anyway, has the person I was speaking to not HEARD all those records Johnny Cash made throughout the '60s and '70s that consist entirely of guffawing two minute comedy songs and singalong c n' w hoedowns??

I'm probably going a bit off-topic here I guess.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:22 / 09.12.05
Much as I think both Coldplay and U2 can be criticised on a number of levels, I'm not convinced that they are sacred cows at all...
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:44 / 09.12.05
Agreed. In fact, I don't know anybody that likes them. It's hard to move around music sites on the internet without seeing loads of peole writing reviews/interviews etc for completely unrelated bands and still just slipping in a kick at Coldplay or U2.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I disagree with this practice, it's just that it's getting to a "Michael Jackson Joke" level of obviousness.

*Looks at last few posts* Y'see, even I'm doing it. Almost makes you wish that the Cranberries were still around for target practice.
 
 
Jub
11:59 / 09.12.05
U2 are sacred for some people! It's scary.

I agree with matt and others - very very poor. I can't quit put my finger on why - besides their paint-by-numbers music, self-important interview style, sad fans, and mediocre lyrics there's nothing specific which I'd put this down to.
 
 
matthew.
12:59 / 09.12.05
self-important interview style

Exactly. They're just so fucking smug. There's not many bands that I hate with the same vehemance with which I hate U2. When I listen to the last two albums, I feel like Bono is poking his finger in my ear and saying, "Get it?" and the Edge is yawning all over his boring riffs.
 
 
Mmothra
13:41 / 09.12.05
and the Edge is yawning all over his boring riffs.

Which he lifted from Metal Box era Keith Levene in the first place.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:19 / 09.12.05
Much as I think both Coldplay and U2 can be criticised on a number of levels, I'm not convinced that they are sacred cows at all...

Can we still kill them, though? Or would we need a different thread for that?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
18:54 / 09.12.05
Much as I think both Coldplay and U2 can be criticised on a number of levels, I'm not convinced that they are sacred cows at all...

Fair point, I suppose.
 
 
Mirror
04:06 / 11.12.05
Everybody.

All musicians and groups, particularly popular ones, are overrated and generally suck. The popular ones suck because they are dependent upon and children of their marketing machines. This applies even if the artists are dead before said marketing machines take over, because marketing is TEH SUCK. The good indie bands are shit because of the goddamned indie attitude, and the crap indies are simply crap full stop.

The only decent song I've ever heard was a stirring rendition of "Froggy Went a Courtin'" performed by an old farmer with only three teeth.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
06:31 / 11.12.05
Oh yeah. Three teeth. Bet that gets "respec'" from "the kidz" down at Hot Topic.

Whatever.
 
 
matthew.
03:11 / 12.12.05
I just like to vent. That's all. U2 are teh awful.
 
 
Shrug
03:40 / 12.12.05
We used to have a joke in school that went:
Why did Bono fall off the stage?

Because he was too close to The Edge.


(Boom, Boom)

Eventually it developed into:
Why did Bono fall off the stage?

*Shouted at maximum force*
SOMEONE PROBABLY FUCKING PUSHED HIM, THAT FUCKING TWAT, I HATE U2 ANYWAY.
 
 
PatrickMM
04:23 / 12.12.05
I'm actually a fan of U2. Now, I come across their public persona stuff, but ultimately, I have to commend a really popular band that can release an album like Zooropa, that does something radically different with rock music. Listen to 'Lemon,' that song is nuts and I think is a great fusion of old style U2 anthemtic stuff with techno influences. Their recent stuff is less adventurous, but it's still really strong on a song to song basis, and actually has very little social problem content. That's really only prevalent in the interviews.

And regardless of your stance on the band, this Onion article is great: 'Rest of U2 Perfectly Fine with Africans Starving'
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:12 / 12.12.05
Today, U2 band members were awarded Amnesty International's highest human rights accolade -- the "Ambassador of Conscience" Award for 2005. "U2 have sung themselves to where great singing comes from, that place where art and ardency meet in the light of conscience," said Nobel Literature Laureate Seamus Heaney, upon hearing of the award to U2 band members Bono, Edge, Larry Mullen Jr. Adam Clayton and manager Paul McGuinness.

Meanwhile Andrew Motion is waiting by the phone in case someone phones him for his opinion of Madonna's new album.
 
  

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