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Kill A Sacred Cow Here!

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Regrettable Juvenilia

11:24 / 19.12.05

Is Oasis a sacred cow?

No.

Haus of Mystery

15:20 / 19.12.05

Do you hate Small Faces too?

I do. Beady little eyes. Like Jimmy Carr.

lord nuneaton savage

07:45 / 20.12.05

Hating the Small Faces is illegal. Well, in my brave new world it is anyway.

Haus of Mystery

11:15 / 20.12.05

Yeah, but in your brave new world handle-bar moustaches are compulsory.

And rightly so.

11:30 / 20.12.05

I'm not sure I want to encourage Brighton's smug "we are the mods" head with a law insiting that no one hate the Small Faces.

12:33 / 20.12.05

yeh see, i'm modder than most but even i get a bit ill from the small faces. undernourished, the kind of music inevitable in a culture that has rationing. hello mrs, jones, how's your old lumbago? (shudder) but: they are not as bad as the faces. they are not as good as m people. (which of the last two sentences is true?)

back on topicish, she's kinda new so perhaps not 'sacred' yet, but i'm getting a lot of 'you fucking philistine' kinda looks whenever i say that that woman whose stuff sounds like a cat being kicked through a harp sounds like a cat being kicked through a harp.

12:35 / 20.12.05

Tori Amos?

13:02 / 20.12.05

nah, i know her, and don't even mind her that much (except for, y'know, the 'neil' connection).

this harp lady is primarily harp and cat sounds. i keep wanting to say 'julia goodwood' but i think that's actually the name of a newsreader on local TV.

13:03 / 20.12.05

Oooh, I think I heard that the other night. American, right (and not Tori Amos)?

13:06 / 20.12.05

Flyboy/Weapons from the Wall: Is Oasis a sacred cow? No.

Oh thank the bearded stone. That still doesn't mean that Chuck Norris shouldn't come down from his throne and swing a loftly roundhouse kick into the entire band all at once, thus atomizing them.

13:17 / 20.12.05

back on topicish, she's kinda new so perhaps not 'sacred' yet, but i'm getting a lot of 'you fucking philistine' kinda looks whenever i say that that woman whose stuff sounds like a cat being kicked through a harp sounds like a cat being kicked through a harp.

I think gumbitch is refering to Joanna Newsome.... who i quite like- although i can see the similarity enough to recognise her by the description given... so i'm not sure if she's strictly a sacred cow....

13:25 / 20.12.05

that's the one, cheers

lord nuneaton savage

14:31 / 20.12.05

RRRAAAARRRRGGHHHH!!!!!

Saying the Small Faces are just a a load of my-old-man's-a-dustman-how's-your-father-where's-me-apple-and-pears is utter nonsense. They are possible the greatest British Soul band of all time. With easily out Fair Nations finest white soul voice at their head.

Just buy a cheap compilation. You can get one for about £5.00. You will be knocked OUT.

And please don't blame them for Paul Weller...

15:00 / 20.12.05

i blame them for not only Paul weller but also M people's horrible cover of itchycoo park, and Ocean bleedin colour scene, Menswear and many many other britplop travesties... doesn't Rod Stewart fit into that equation somewhere to?

kill the cow!

15:01 / 20.12.05

all my life i've been plagued by bloody small faces compilations. why think you they so cheap? why think you marriot/small faces better than eric burdon/animals?

lord nuneaton savage

15:11 / 20.12.05

They are so cheap because the rights to their entire back catalogue got sold by the sodding cowboys at their record company(s) for Fuck all.

They are better than the Animals because...well actaully The Animals are a bit of a sacred cow for me actually.

More later.

16:49 / 20.12.05

[Small Faces] are possible the greatest British Soul band of all time, with easily Our Fair Nation's finest white soul voice at their head.

When did Steve Winwood sing for the Small Faces?

20:38 / 20.12.05

Menswear

Look, I know they're not a sacred cow per se, but I'd like to think they had their place.

blasted them off in the most profoundly ILLOGICAL directions imaginable, with out-of-the-blue original genius type results, eg. Beefheart, Can, The Fall, Aphex Twin

The Fall is the one I have a problem with. I really have tried, most of the people I like like The Fall, I enjoyed the liner notes of one of their albums, but still, I listen to them and think, "Is that it? I don't get it." Is there an album I might not have listened to, and should? Or am I irredeemably one of those people who don't know much about The Fall, but know what they like?

23:38 / 20.12.05

I think the most important wrongness here is that The Fall are one kind if thing.

Vincennes, go away and do *a lot* of downloading and then give us your opinion.

23:49 / 20.12.05

Sorry, horribly obnoxious previpost, but still.

04:24 / 21.12.05

Well you'd be looking at downloading around thirty studio albums, never mind all the live stuff. So that's at least a whole day's worth of studio material - It seems a bit much to expect anyone to sit through.

I can't decide about The Fall, to be honest; is Smith the successor to William Blake in some sense, like Stewart Lee (who is a fool,) seems to think, along with Michael Bracewell (that fab ace poet of UK nebulousness, but he isn't on the other hand necessarily wrong,) or is he, on the other hand, just a licensed piss artist?

In Smith's career thus far, there'd seem to be a lot of evidence for both of these arguments.

Haus of Mystery

07:13 / 21.12.05

The Fall are a fucking good stripped down rock 'n' roll band at heart. Smith's lyrics are the equivalent of a really smart bag lady yelling at you. If you want to 'get' them, I suggest going for some early stuff - the Rough Trade 'Totally Wired' for example is a great collection of early singles, live shit and mini-album tracks. The title track alone is worth the investment.
Or 'This Nation's saving Grace', consiedered to be a fairly accessible entry point. Take the ramshackle brilliance of 'My New House', which manages to feel like a scathing attack on property-centric middle England despite consisting of Smith bellowing My new house! Have you seeeeeen my new house over a hypnotic bar room drone. Trust me it's ace.

08:22 / 21.12.05

A big problem with The Fall is the sheer quantity of music available- for proper albums my favourites are Frenz Experiment and Extricate, being a fan of when Brix was in the band this is to me their golden period- Mark E Smith snappy wry mumbling manchester vocals with brix yelling, and harmonising in a sexy american accent.

Frenz has the marvelous 'My Frenz don't add up to one hand' the insane 'Carry bag man' as well as loads of great singles from the same period (or my reissue does anyway!)- their version of 'Victoria' pisses all over the kinks while still sounding loyal to the original. The cover of northern soul classic 'ghost in my house' is a classic in its own right and Hit the North is the closest you will get to re-hearing Blue Monday for the first time- My favourite ever song by the Fall and the tune that turned me on to them about 15 years ago.

Extricate has the incredibly catchy Telephone thing, the remarkably sad 'Bill is Dead' and the paisley park era prince sound alike of 'Popcorn Double Feature'- start with these and then say if you don't like the fall- which will be a bit sad cos i think they can be amazing.

lord nuneaton savage

09:58 / 21.12.05

"the paisley park era prince sound alike of 'Popcorn Double Feature'"

And, funnily enough, it's a flippin' Seekers cover.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

15:04 / 21.12.05

In agreement with Frenz Experiment and Extricate... I'd also add I Am Kurious Oranj. Much as I'm sure he'd hate to admit it, MES can write a damn good pop song when he puts his mind to it, and these are probably the poppiest Fall albums (well, except that there are at least fifteen I've never heard, but, y'know...) I like it when he does that.

15:53 / 21.12.05

Stewart Lee (who is a fool,)

No fool he. Some words of wisdom from a recent Guardian column.

Racing back on topic... The Fall! Yes, there's a lot out there to digest. Maybe starting in the middle (circa Extricate) then simultaneously working out both backwards and forwards chronologically is one way to do it. Maybe not.

I'd say go for Hex Enduction Hour, This Nation's Saving Grace, The Infotainment Scan and The Unutterable for fairly accessable entry points. Or get the Beggars Banquet singles collection. Yeah. Do that.

15:53 / 21.12.05

I'd also add I Am Kurious Oranj. Much as I'm sure he'd hate to admit it, MES can write a damn good pop song when he puts his mind to it

shit get that too- 'wrong place right time' is a classic pop song..

17:05 / 21.12.05

Thanks all, will download as directed and report back! (although probably in another thread)

Jawsus-son Starship

16:06 / 02.04.06

In the words of Chuck D, who put it better than I ever could;

Elvis was a hero to most,
but he never meant shit to me

15:18 / 03.04.06

i will ignore the previous post on elvis on account of that sacred cow having being killed in 1977 (for your sins, i might add) and mention Funkadelic, subject of an ajacent thread

i think they are awful, i can't understand how, apart from a couple of killer tracks, they are so revered, it is turgid, messy, tuneless drivel, funk for people who don't have the funk, black musics progressive rock, all cumbersome and unlistenable

now take a few bits, clean them up and add a tune and you have some fine hip hop, but on it's own this stuff is terrible,

if you want sci-fi funk, get the undisputed trust (on motown), if you want hippy funk get sly and the family stone, if you want frat boy minstrelly - get funkadelic, really

saying that i saw them live years ago and they were great.

22:12 / 03.04.06

I don't like Bowie. He's just not to my personal tastes. I find his voice to be off-putting when high, or out of tune when low. I don't think his lyrics are all that interesting, and I find his songs too meandering, with no focus. It's often an issue of style over substance. There seems to be a lot of interest in his androygny or his Eighties coolness.

I will give him this: he has managed to change sounds successfully (as to the critics' criteria of success and taste) and his songs never all sound the same.

He's a sexy geezer, though.

08:50 / 04.04.06

Aphex Twin

I know so many people that love aphex twin- i own Aphex twin albums- i even had one on my itunes/ ipod until very recently i realised it was taking up very valuable space and whenever i hit a track on shuffle i skip it.

Aphex Twin is one of those acts that i wish i got but i don't. I find it all little smug and self gratifying- this is cool because it mashes your head or You'll get it when you see the video- an act that's only lasted so long because of his videos surely- and even now they have started to date (Chris Cunningham your time has been and gone)

When i finally saw the Chris Cunningham film Rubber Johnny- apart from thinking it was a bit shit, i also wanted to turn the annoying music off.

Aphex twin you are a Rick Wakeman of the 90's making pretentious shite for lost teenage boys desperate to be seen as grown ups cos they get the difficult stuff.... the cow must die.

09:03 / 04.04.06

*Aphex twin you are a Rick Wakeman of the 90's making pretentious shite for lost teenage boys desperate to be seen as grown ups cos they get the difficult stuff*

so right i just want to give that a rewind

Haus of Mystery

09:11 / 04.04.06

pretentious shite

What's pretentious about it? It isn't made by a fourpiece indy band with floppy fringes?

lord nuneaton savage

09:12 / 04.04.06

"if you want sci-fi funk, get the undisputed trust"

I take it that you mean The Undisputed Truth?

And Funkadelic are brilliant, cloth ears.

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