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LOST season 5 (with Spoilers)

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alex supertramp

21:41 / 12.04.09

I've been jonesing real hard for Miles to comment on the whispers, ever since we first saw him talking to dead people.

Keith, like a scientist

11:57 / 13.04.09

It's been slow at work the past week, so I decided to read/skim the original Barbe-Lost thread. No great revelations from it but it's an interesting document of people's reactions throughout the course of the first 3 seasons (season 4 is in another thread).

I did realize, however, that the current discussion really needs some Benjamin Birdie! Where did this guy go?? Oh and also....buttergun, you've never really liked this show.

16:29 / 13.04.09

Birdie flew off to Comic Book Resources

18:40 / 13.04.09

I guess my comments on here have swayed more to the negative than the positive (especially in Season 2), but on the whole I really have enjoyed the show; at least I've stayed with it these past 5 seasons. And I'm betting my comments on the season 4 thread were mostly positive.

Regarding the most recent episode, I was most impressed by how PERFECTLY UNTUCKED Ben and Locke's shirts were. I waste minutes every morning trying to get my shirt untucked just right, but to no avail. Meanwhile Ben and Locke are running through the jungle with shirts so precisely untucked you could set your watch to them. I guess that's Wardrobe for you.

Keith, like a scientist

18:51 / 13.04.09

Untucking is an art for sure.

It's really fun to read the old comments, though. People's first impressions of characters and guesses about motivations are illuminating in terms of how the characters have progressed from there. Also, it allowed me to revisit Oddman's brilliant "Map of Everything."

21:24 / 13.04.09

It's not fun to read mine. I sound like a wanker most of the time.

Keith, like a scientist

18:49 / 16.04.09

FURY FIST! - Instant internet meme incoming.

Anyway, hmm-mmm-mmm. I sort of enjoyed this episode much more than the last one. Miles is a very cool character and it was nice to get the Dr. Chang connection confirmed at last.

It's very cool that we are definitely heading for a Swan hatch showdown at this point. Bringing back one of Lost's first shocking turns and explaining that primal mystery of the Incident and the electromagnetic shenanigans should prove to be illuminating.

The numbers scene was curious, as it seems to explain the numbers away as just a serial number on the hatch, but... wasn't there stuff out there about an equation? Perhaps that's just non-canon ARG crap (making the ARGs pretty annoying in retrospect).

More and more I'm getting the impression that events WILL change and that was the purpose of the 815ers with regards the island. At this point in time, though, I cannot imagine what the fuck Season Six is going to be like.

19:22 / 16.04.09

Well now I am interested in what lies in the shadow of the statue.

I guess my theory about Bram and Ilana having been brain-washed was wrong, so yay for that! I didn't like the idea; much prefer what appears to be a collection of sleeper agents operating blind, and am hopelessly excited about the prospect of someone giving the right answer one of these days (if that someone isn't Ben).

19:36 / 16.04.09

Also, Keith; those numbers are being very deliberately placed on the hatch door. I don't think it's going to be the case that, looking for something to act as a valve to release a bit of magnetism every so often, post-Incident, they're just going to pick the first string of numbers they see.

... Actually, it might well be the case. I don't know if I'd mind that, really. I suppose they could all pull their thinking faces about fate and destiny and chance and all that.

ARG is in a state of flux, RE being canon or not. There are extended cuts of episodes that aren't canon, even. At this point, I think they just have to stick with what they said on screen, and pick and choose from anything that didn't make the original air-date cut.

And when even that gets hard, send Ellie in to tell the character to do what they say.

Keith, like a scientist

20:06 / 16.04.09

Also, Keith; those numbers are being very deliberately placed on the hatch door. I don't think it's going to be the case that, looking for something to act as a valve to release a bit of magnetism every so often, post-Incident, they're just going to pick the first string of numbers they see.

Well that part doesn't bother me, because it makes some logical sense for the 'branding' of the door to sync with the code (it's not like they need or want to password protect the numbers - everyone should know them in case someone dies in hatch, etc). It's kind of odd, still, and feels a little mis-managed plot wise. If they had pounded the numbers onto the hatch AFTER sealing it up and AFTER the Incident, it would be perfectly awesome. However, it's reasonable to assume that they are ALREADY using the numbers down in the hatch (we only saw the very top of it, probably meaning they already have shit going on downstairs) in regards to the experiments.

20:34 / 16.04.09

Yeah, it was a total bum note, that seemed there to make Hurley do something to impress Miles.

Couldn't Hurley just have been less totally fucking stupid in the run up to it, though? Surely Hurley gets basic time travel, not mentioning bodies, etc.? He's become really dumb, since getting back to the '70s.

Except for Empire and having a better power, obvs.

09:10 / 17.04.09

I'm liking the statue line. As much as it was sometimes frustrating not knowing what was going on the earlier seasons I was missing some unexplained, vague strangeness.

I'm also thinking that was one of our main players in the past that drew this bad boy :

Map

Not exactly sure why yet.

Jack The Bodiless

09:56 / 17.04.09

...Hurley's always been a little slow on the uptake. Endearingly so, but nothing's really changed. But has anyone else noticed how happy he seems to be since returning to the island? Nothing's thrown him off... not being back in 1977, the ghosts, nothing. And we still don't have an explanation as to how he got off the murder charges, out of jail, and onto the non-Guam plane in time to catch Jack, Kate and the others, nor what his motivation for doing any of that would be, bearing in mind that he wanted to be arrested, wanted nothing to do with Ben, and had no idea what plane was leaving, when and why because he wouldn't let Ben tell him. So we've gotta be having a Hurley-centric episode soon, and I'm hoping for flashbacks that fill in the blanks nicely, like Kate's did.

Keith, like a scientist

12:54 / 17.04.09

I'm also thinking that was one of our main players in the past that drew this bad boy :

Radzinsky, the beardy-bald-glasses-jerk-guy, drew it, as your link states, and as Kelvin Ingman related back in the Season 2 finale. Radzinsky obviously gets locked down there.

13:22 / 17.04.09

He did? I think I need to go back and watch the old seasons, sorry!

13:52 / 17.04.09

This was my favorite episode of the season. Hurley's scriptwriting was fantastic, and it was clever how they had him ask how to spell "bounty hunter," which made us think he was referring to the "what lies in the shadow..." people. He really just meant Boba Fett et al. And the scene with Hurley, Miles, and Dr. Chang was probably my favorite moment this year.

That was dumb of Kate to talk to Ben's dad. I guess she just goes for those fair-haired grizzled types.

Don't miss the "all new special" next week. Hilarious how ABC kept plugging it. It's like they couldn't bring themselves to admit that there's no new episode next week.

alex supertramp

20:28 / 17.04.09

"What lies in the shadow of the statue?"

I saw a really great theory for this in the theories section of the "Some Like It Hoth" entry on Lostpedia.

""What lies in the shadow of the statue?" is a code-phrase to which the answer should be "Caesar." This is a reference to the Assassination of Julius Caesar who was murdered under the statue of Pompey."

Although, when Bram asked Miles this, this was before Caesar on the island was murdered by Ben.

I also saw some interesting theories about Egyptian mythology. Some people on Lostpedia are interpreting the title as "Some like I, Thoth". Thoth is apparently an important Egyptian god. Maybe bullsh*t, but interesting to note in light of the fact that Jack was erasing a lesson on Egyptian hieroglyphics on the chalkboard this episode.

miss wonderstarr

20:05 / 19.04.09

Lostpedia opines:

Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back: The episode title is a reference to the fact that Hurley is writing the script for this movie, which features a planet named Hoth; he later plans to send this script to George lucas, the writer, uselessly because Lucas had already written it before 1977

I think this is doubly wrong: Lucas didn't write ESB, and he hadn't done more than roughly sketch out potential events of the original trilogy in 1977.

07:35 / 20.04.09

Indeed! Very, very roughly as I understand it, in fact some have suggested, quite persuasively, that what he originally wrote had very little bearing on the finished script.

09:22 / 20.04.09

On the subject of Lost, I'm thinking that Hurley's power isn't different or superior to Mile's, and that this distinction isn't trivial. Seems to me that Hurley doesn't talk to dead people at all, he talks to manifestations of the Island, ala (what I took to be) Ben's ersatz daughter in the previous episode.

13:58 / 24.04.09

Isn't it a little odd that Dr. Chang would meet someone who is apparently the only other Asian guy on the island (excepting Jin), who just happens to have the same somewhat-unusual name as his three-month-old son, who probably bears some kind of physical similarity to him and his wife, during a research project on an energy source that he theorizes will be able to manipulate time, and not find this the least bit suspicious or intriguing?

14:07 / 24.04.09

He would not find the name suspicious. His son is only three months old, and Miles has been on the island for three years.

14:29 / 24.04.09

Well Chang doesn't know that, it's the first time he met adult Miles.

The name is uncommon enough that Hurley makes the assumption that Miles is named after someone specific (Miles Davis) - he wouldn't have done that if his name was John or Mike.

If it were any other situation, sure, it would be a coincidence. But Chang is researching time travel. I find it hard to believe he wouldn't take some kind of note of the "coincidence."

14:47 / 24.04.09

I don't really mind either way, but I don't think anything we've seen tells us outright that he isn't suspicious.

It would be more in keeping with what we've been shown/clearing-not-shown of the character that he took Miles with him because he was suspicious of him than because he wasn't.

I suspect Chang is politically more able, and powerful, than just being a white-coat, even though he has little formal status in the hierarchy Goodspeed's at the top of...

Keith, like a scientist

17:02 / 24.04.09

Chang himself is a little oddly characterized to begin with. His gruff demeanor seems to mostly stem from being a goofy awkward person but yet he comes off as the calm head cheese of science in all those orientation videos. On top of that he employs the 'stage names' for no discernable reason. And the 'stage names' all employ humorous variations on "Marvin" and "Candle". What's the deal with this wacky dude? He seems to operate outside or above Horace's control.

alex supertramp

18:30 / 24.04.09

Who says Chang hasn't already figured out that Miles is his son from the future? Maybe he's just not saying anything, in the same way that Miles isn't saying anything.

20:22 / 24.04.09

Seems to me that despite all the fuel for suspicion a fair few people would be completely blind to the possibility that they were hanging out with their time travelling son

20:22 / 24.04.09

Also, who cares?

20:47 / 24.04.09

I dunno, it was just one of those moments that stuck out as "implausible" (I know how silly that sounds in context)

17:53 / 25.04.09

Well, you know, YMMV and all that. Fair enough, I suppose

19:47 / 25.04.09

I forget... Is there a reason to think that the Cult of Foot of the Statue is not the Nu Dharma?

Rewatching on SkyOne, they sell the idea of learning about Daddy quite hard. Lots of reasons why they might just be saying these things without really meaning them, but, you know... a third faction in the present day would be nice. Widmore vs. Linus, as fun as it is, doesn't feel as engaging as when there was a veritable fucktonne of semi-known factions fighting it out.

11:31 / 26.04.09

I've been wondering about the possibility of a new Dharma Initiative. Seems to me that they might have somehow absorbed the Others, or vice-verse.

Actually, probably vice-versa

11:54 / 26.04.09

The people in Dharma, maybe. You can see links between what we know of them (spiritualism, for instance; being hippies generally) and how the Others seem to be coming across.

But I've been reading Dharma as a small, and possibly exploited, faction of the Hanso Foundation (where, for instance, Chang is more likely to come from). They might still be extant, and still have a separate agenda.

On the other hand, I'd still rather we got elegant solutions to these problems to exquisite set-ups that don't have time to go anywhere (as long as they stop using Faraday for exposition. They man always seems to think they're filming someone else's reaction shots, and so he doesn't need to talk clearly).

20:23 / 26.04.09

I've never had trouble understanding him

20:44 / 26.04.09

I had trouble understanding pin, in that last sentence there.

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