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LOST season 5 (with Spoilers)

 
  

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Colonel Kadmon
20:55 / 21.01.09
It starts tonight (in the US, at least) and I am so excited that I wanted to start the thread before seeing it. I hope that there will soon be others to deliver an intial report on this penultimate season (ie the secret five-man trisome).

But in the absence of FACT, I shall make a couple of predictions. Perhaps after the series is done, we can return and reassess them:

1) The island appears under the Black Rock. That's why it's in the middle of the forest, and that would give us a date of 1881 for the location of the island.

2) Some of the Losties who went back in time with the island have been affecting things behind the scenes all along. They are immortal for the same reason as Ageless Richard. I think Jacob is one of the Losties, probably Locke. That's probably what the whispers are about, too.

That's all for now. Hopefully I can see the episodes at some point tomorrow.
 
 
Tsuga
23:27 / 21.01.09
Yeah, I'm excited to see it, too. I think they're showing another tedious preview/synopsis with a voiceover show beforehand...

Wait.

Why is this frame blue?
 
 
Closed for Business Time
07:37 / 22.01.09
Because as a matter of Policy everyone worthy of the moniker Barbeloid must watch this programming?
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
09:24 / 22.01.09
Hmmm. A challenge/test of moderators, eh? Sneaky...
 
 
trouble at bill
10:48 / 22.01.09
Unless there's some parallel being alleged between the Lost community and the current state of the 'Lith?!
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:46 / 22.01.09
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
16:49 / 22.01.09
Ah, good, someone moved it. I have no idea why it appeared in Policy, but at least I know there are still moderators here!

Still haven't seen it.
 
 
Tsuga
16:55 / 22.01.09
I liked it. I'll try and think about it and post if I can tonight.
 
 
Mistoffelees
21:15 / 22.01.09
I just saw it and liked it, too. Except for the actress at the end (from the TV series Brotherhood). I couldn´t stand her there, and hopefully she won´t be as bothersome on LOST. And I really liked that fire joke.

And I am happy they still use Desmond. I was afraid they would drop him after he got his Happy End.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
04:16 / 23.01.09
Cry, I wanted to be the topic starter. I guess posting in the right forum screwed me somehow. Anyway, copy and pasting my post here, so we can delete the other thread.

Well, it's here and it's not what I was expecting. Vonnegut continues to ghost-write the show.

While I find the island adventures interesting, I was really intrigued by the O6 shenigans, particularly Ben's secret network. Ms. Hawking! That was curious... As she was being shown, I was wondering if the implication is that she is Daniel's mother... it would fit thematically, but she didn't appear to be in England given Ben's quick meet with her.

Marvin Candle's appearance was pretty awesome.

It'll be curious to see how quickly they bring the O6 back to the island, given the implication that the flashes are happening in part because of them leaving the island. Or is the structure of the season going to be "island time flashes" instead of "flashbacks/flashforwards?"
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
08:44 / 24.01.09
Well, I thought these were a pretty good opening salvo. The opening scenes with Marvin Candle discovering the source of power great enough to allow time-travel pretty much established that Lost is now utterly sci-fi. The episodes also seemed rather recap-heavy, considering they were preceded by a full recap episode.I also hardly noticed that the structure had changed, and there were no more flashbacks or -forwards. What we have is two stories taking place in different points of time.

Talking of which, it's far from clear what is going on with the island. Is it travelling in time, or are the people on it moving? That it disappeared suggests the former, but Richard's people and Ethan don't seem to be affected by it.

But if it's going to be hopping around in time, it bodes well for my Black Rock theory. Hell, that might even be how come the Rousseau episode's gonna happen.

Glad that Desmond's in it. Hope they give some kind of information about Richard soon, he's becoming a bit omnipotent. And Mrs Hawking... so she's working with Ben Linus, eh?
 
 
_pin
21:53 / 27.01.09
I was quite disappointed by the first episode, but I think that's because I'd managed to get my spoilerisation to literally it's subbest optimumcy. For instance, I have seen photos or later in the series that, you know, show a lot. But they do this by telling sweet FA. They are known unknowns.

On the other hand, episodes one and two were full of unknown knowns. I knew, for instance, that E01 was whizzier than E02 (this was not how I felt it played out), or that there was an earleir scene that would be shocking only because it was on the island. I spent a long time trying to pre-empt what this scene was, and come up dry. Srsly, was the reveal that vinyl skips?

I'm going to fly blind for the rest of the series and see if I get more in to it, and hopefully in return they won't give me an more scenes with Drs Exposition and Exposition going "We are going to travel through time! Time!"
 
 
Spaniel
11:09 / 28.01.09
I’m pretty sure my Lost enjoyment would be diminished significantly if I spoiled myself. For me, and I imagine many fans, a BIG part of Lost’s appeal is the staggered revelation, the witholdy-spunk. It’s in the guesswork, the mulling-it-all-overness, the ooh-what-will-happen-next-weekitude. I dunno, spoiling Lost just strikes me as pure, solid wrongness.

As to what I thought of the first two eps - I enjoyed them. It’s nice to be home.
 
 
_pin
20:17 / 28.01.09
Well, that's the thing. Some of these naughty things I've seen have been from officially-sanctioned behind-the-scenes stuff, which all seems part of the game. I was trying to learn only things that made it more exciting, but failed a bit and ended up trying to guess which were the bits I'd already spoiled for myself.

I think being totally spoiled and not at all spoiled are two kinds of pleasures, and I was slap in the middle of those two peaks. Like I say; suboptimal.
 
 
Spaniel
08:15 / 29.01.09
Spoiling Lost might be pleasurable in and of itself, but I imagine it would heavily detract from my actual viewing experience. Not all spoiling is equal in my book. Some things can be spoiled and there's a net gain in viewing pleasure, other things it makes no odds either way, and other things, things built on the with-holdy, it can ruin.

We've discussed the officially sanctioned behind the scenes stuff before, and the interesting thing about it is that some of it isn't stuff that the producers actually want out there in the world. Rather, it's just ABC taking liberties, or making sub-optimal choices about what to do with the material they've been given.

Swhy I stay away from that stuff too.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:29 / 29.01.09
"Your name's Widmore?"

Ah, that was excellent.

So how does the bomb play into current day Island antics? Is it related to the phenomena?

And just who the hell are Richard's people? I've always took it for granted they were Black Rock people but now I'm not completely sure.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:40 / 29.01.09
Hmm, now I think I get it. Richard's people, including Widmore, are Black Rock, they killed the US Military people and took their guns and uniforms, hence why Widmore's uniform says "Jones."
 
 
Spaniel
12:41 / 29.01.09
Ah, must duck out until Sunday night...
 
 
Tsuga
22:09 / 29.01.09
I really enjoyed that one. I'm having trouble remembering the episode where Desmond started skipping in time on the boat and went to buy the ring and Faraday's mother first appeared (the woman Mist doesn't like from Brotherhood, for some reason), she told him he needed to go back to the island, right? Desmond, at that time, was skipping through times in his own life, a younger or older him, a la Billy Pilgrim, though the current batch are staying their current selves skipping through time. I would have thought that Richard would understand some of the paradoxes from time-travel, or at least that time-travel was something inherent in the experience of the island that the "others" would be familiar with. I very much enjoyed the young Widmore, the visit to Oxford (though I didn't understand at all who the woman was that Faraday somehow dumped. Am I forgetting something important from the past episodes?
Daniel is telling them to bury the bomb in '54. Does that play into the underground magnetic occurrences later, or is that always there? Does it end up interacting with it? Why does Widmore go rogue? I find it interesting and occasionally annoying, how groups of people are always factioned, or swinging wildly from one side to another, often with no real explanation than some loss of trust in the midst of a million arcane secrets floating around. It's like what bothers me about the oversimplification of character to drive the plot. Someone is always asking "where are we going? Why aren't you answering me?" with a reply like "we don't have time to talk about that". Those parts are particularly weak, though I understand they are functional, to a degree. Still, it's fun to see them drawing back in some of the loose ends, with still some new reveals that pique the interest as they answer questions.
 
 
Bandini
18:40 / 01.02.09
One thing I like about Lost now is we are starting to get answers even if they are gradually trickling through.

Love the way there are casual comments that relate to things that have already happened in the series, such as Locke telling Richard to come and see him as a child.
 
 
Bandini
18:52 / 01.02.09
Apologies for the double post but I forgot to mention - Daniels comment that the characters couldn't meet anyone they hadn't met before seems to put a strain on the writers not to mess this up. Are we going to end up with contrivances like Sawyer coming out form the bushes just as someone ducks behind a tree?
 
 
Tsuga
19:52 / 01.02.09
Yes. No doubt we will see the rules being made as we go along, such as the expository by Julia when they returned to the beach in the last episode, speaking of the boat still being there, "I guess the stuff that was with us goes along with us" or something to that effect. They have to make these somewhat arbitrary rules to play by, vaguely explained by Faraday (or simply implied by him raising his eyebrow in the "it's too complicated to explain" way) in order to give some explanatory structure for the events to unfold on. I was wondering for a long time whether they were going to go the supernatural route, or the sci-fi route. They've mostly gone sci-fi, which I'm glad for, but they're still going to have to have some kind of supernatural element (I think) to explain something like Miles' abilities (or Hurley's sixth sense stuff that seems similar), Locke's certainty, etc. I just hope it's not too weak when they play it out. This season has been great so far, though.
 
 
Bandini
20:15 / 01.02.09
Yeah, the supernatural stuff worries me a bit. The whole sensing dead people and the numbers having world reaching significance seem silly to me but with science behind them (even the unsupported philip k dick style science) it could be cool.

I liked the explanation by Faraday of time travel that seemed to be the deliberate opposite of the Back to the Future explanation.
 
 
Spaniel
21:56 / 01.02.09
Because, you know, the sci-fi stuff has been so strong!

Er, no.

I love Lost, but the difference between sci-fi and supernatural on the show is superficial at best. It's *all* just passable silliness.

As for the bits where characters don't communicate properly, are we still troubled by that? Really? REALLY? It's the bloody rules of the game, and it ain't gonna change.
 
 
Tsuga
22:45 / 01.02.09
Damn, Boboss, it's not like anyone's slamming it for those things. For me, it's a minor complaint; you can't have a show of this style without sacrificing somewhere, but I don't think you can say they haven't fallen short in at least few areas. It's probably just nitpicking, though. As far as science vs. supernatural— yes, on a television show that facilely stretches credulity every show it doesn't really matter, for me it's meaningless personal preference on philosophical grounds.

By the way, did anyone else notice the plethora of redshirts so far this season?
 
 
Dead Megatron
08:38 / 02.02.09
By the way, did anyone else notice the plethora of redshirts so far this season?

Yeah! Give me an extra plane-crash survivor being played by a recognizable actor (or even having a speaking scene), and I'll give you a death scene within 25 minutes...
 
 
Bandini
14:53 / 02.02.09
I was in the middle of explaining to a friend what a red shirt was just as that guy got hit with a flaming arrow.
 
 
Spaniel
20:28 / 02.02.09
Sorry, posted while in a bad mood last night.
 
 
Tsuga
20:30 / 02.02.09
That's fine, but I want to hear your take on the last couple of episodes. Have you seen them yet?
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
23:02 / 02.02.09
Enjoyed the third episode enormously. The "Widmore revelation" was lovely, and we now know he was definately on the Island. I had several thoughts about the naming of Desmond and Penny's (Pesmond? Pennesmond? Desmenny?) baby. If it takes her surname, it's called... Charles Widmore.

Likewise, if Ellie (the little Other with the French pleats) is Eloise Hawking, she could be Desmond's mum, which would explain all the "I've seen you before" comments. What is even more intriguing is that in that case, Widmore could be his dad.

The bomb seems familiar, but I can't quite remember... must be an early episode.

And Richard - are his people the Black Rock people or what? I don't even know anymore.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:43 / 03.02.09
I don't think we are meant to read too much into the baby's name being Charlie. I don't think the baby grows up to be Bad Widmore or Rockstar Charlie. Seems to just be a tribute to lovable drowning Charlie. My read on it, anyway.

I could believe that Ellie is Ms. Hawking, but I'm not sure where you get the Widmore is Desmond's dad thing... first of all, isn't Ms. Hawking going to turn out to be Faraday's mom?

As for the bomb, I think the insinuation is that it's the electromagnetic device buried under the Swan station that needs to be vented now and then to avoid the boom booms. I think. Cause, they blew it up, of course... meh, who knows. It'll probably get explained eventually.

I'm curiouser and curiouser about Faraday's encounter with the proto-Orchid. Time jump scene or something else? That Faraday is a weird one.

I believe Richard's people are the Black Rock people, including Widmore. I'm starting to believe that Jacob is possibly Magnus Hanso, the captain of the Black Rock that died on the island at some point. Not sure about that, though.
 
 
Spaniel
08:40 / 03.02.09
Tsuga, as I said above, the first two episodes were kinda like coming home. They didn't blow my mind, but they did make me very happy indeed (I watched them three times last week - absurd geekery!)

That said, some speculation: Locke dies because his body is now so fucked up it simply can't survive off the Island (broken back, one kidney, God knows what else) for a lengthy period of time. Locke will, however, revive once he gets back to that sandy beach.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
09:08 / 03.02.09
Yeah, Keith, sorry, I meant Faraday, not Desmond. Of course. And the baby's name, well, it's interesting, that's all.

If Widmore is Black Rock, why has he aged? Cos he's off the island? I like the suggestion about Locke's return to the Island, though.
 
 
Dead Megatron
10:50 / 03.02.09
Boboss, my take is that Dead Locke is Future Locke, and that Present Locke may be Still Living Locke, though he may be in the Past. Taking the body back to the Island may be necessary only for Spirit Locke to rise and start making crypitic apperances at unexpected moments (Random Locke?), or maybe just to fulfil some Past-slash-Future series of events. Simple, huh?

Kolonel, I think only Richard is immortal, not all Black Rocks (have you seen any other so far?). Sorry, Highlander, he is the One.
 
 
Spaniel
10:54 / 03.02.09
Widmore has aged because he's off the Island, imvho
 
  

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