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Dealing with aggressive attempts to lower the quality of what is left of Barbelith.

 
  

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HCE
18:40 / 22.08.08
Do you mean it is actually possible to ban somebody without the Claw of Haus? Shit, I'd better transfer my miniony allegiance to E. Randy.
 
 
Lurid Archive
18:50 / 22.08.08
For the record, I for one was happy with this banning process. I tried a little to rehabilitate him because thats what I do, but once someone is that unaware or indifferent to the local norms they are breaking it is probably better for everyone to remove them.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
19:11 / 22.08.08
f it does include Tom, we have three people putting a ban through. If it doesn't, we have two.

The assumption has to be that Tom only reads the links because he's too busy to pick up the general information floating around the board so really there are two people who decide, one who is essentially a human button. Those two people have been selected by Tom to notify him so he actually can be a human button.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:16 / 22.08.08
And there is a broader question over what happens if Tom decides that, having been apprised of a situation, he doesn't want to ban somebody when the two people who are involved with Barbelith _do_, based on discussions on-board. A bridge to be crossed when we reach it, though...
 
 
grant
19:49 / 22.08.08
Shit, I'd better transfer my miniony allegiance to E. Randy.

We call ourselves "The Dupraved" and take a vow of secrecy. But you would be... more than welcome.

a broader question over what happens if Tom decides that, having been apprised of a situation, he doesn't want to ban somebody

Well, it's always been his board.... I think I'd trust his trust.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
10:38 / 23.08.08
I think that would be the point where Tom would lose any barbelith member who wasn't a troll or a pushover.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:17 / 23.08.08
I tried a little to rehabilitate him because thats what I do

This is aside from drowning kittens, hamsters etc, and laughing while you're doing it, yeah?
 
 
Lurid Archive
23:37 / 23.08.08
Yes, welcome back AG. Getting ready to pick up where we left off I see.
 
 
iamus
23:56 / 23.08.08
Oh!

There's a surprise.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
00:00 / 24.08.08
To be fair he only ever said he was scrambling his password, not that he was scrambling his password and email address and then fucking off and not coming back.

So AG, I suppose we should take it as read that you're drunk and that we'll have another insincere apology come the morning?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
04:27 / 24.08.08
Well I have had some beers, it's true.

And then there were the shots of scotch, and the grammes of heroin. I do all this on my own in front of the television, you understand. There's nothing glamorous about it. My dealer does know some celebrities, he says, but he's never introduced me to any of them. So sometimes, late at night, when the Big Brother housemates have stopped replying then yes, I do get lonely.

That's never going to change.

As horribly addicted as I am to a long list of activities that are bad for me, though, I am trying to get my life back together.

Lately, to be sure, I have fallen off the wagon as far as Barbelith's concerned. And while in some way I wonder if I'd be quite such a fan of hard, dangerous drugs and grain alcohol if it wasn't for this site, I do regret my recent posts on here much more than, say, the needle full of tranquilisers that's currently sticking out of my arm, just under my old school tie. So you guys might consider it a brief relapse, if you like.

Because sitting here in my pants, surrounded by dirty needles, empty bottles of scotch and a note from my partner saying this time ze's really leaving, what I mainly don't want to do is return to the bad days of Barbelith, after it, and I, stopped being fun.
 
 
Lurid Archive
10:09 / 24.08.08
I've disagreed the request to delete the above post by the way since it is a relevant exhibit, if not a relevant post, for this very thread.
 
 
Tsuga
18:14 / 24.08.08
That's almost funny that AG is still here. As well as Flyboy, I suppose, unless someone else is updating the profile. I'm happy if Flyboy is at least still moderating.
 
 
Triplets
18:55 / 24.08.08
I, for one, am happy Granny has found her gin. As should we all.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:30 / 24.08.08
Let's maybe not turn this into yet another thread discussing him, though, hm?
 
 
Tsuga
19:32 / 24.08.08
Well, it's fair enough that you're happy, but maybe not to say that we all should be. AG has caused a good deal of distress with a number of people, and not just because they can't take a joke (in my opinion). While you or I may not have the same problems with AG that others do, you've got to respect the feelings of those that do, as much as you can (unless you don't really give a crap about them). Thinking about it, it seems that many of the people (mostly FI) that were most bothered by AG are not posting here anymore, and it's very possibly in part because of AG. Which is troubling to me, I dunno about you.

edit: cross-posting there, and sure, you're right Randy, this shouldn't fixate on him, though I think this is still somewhat on-topic.
 
 
Liger Null
20:19 / 24.08.08
And I should have made it clear that Torquemada had been pushed off the cliff too, I think, so apologies for not pointing that out.

Who's Torqumada again?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:31 / 24.08.08
Started that 'Is Hauser still around?' thread in Convo the other week. He's only ever posted here about twenty times in five years, so if you missed it it's not surprising that you don't remember him. I didn't.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:34 / 25.08.08
Troll gone = good. Simple. Nice.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:26 / 26.08.08
To be fair he only ever said he was scrambling his password, not that he was scrambling his password and email address

It pains me to say it, as I actually have a lot of time for both of them (not a popular opinion, I know), but... see also Flyboy.

If you want to leave, don't make a big deal about leaving. That goes DOUBLE if you're not actually leaving at all.

Making a big deal about scrambling your password and then somehow coming back to post again, or to change your ficsuit name?

Epic fail. Those of us who DO want to stay here are having a hard enough time figuring out how it works anymore, without those of you who can't actually be arsed about it using it as a venue for your own one-man ego shows.
 
 
electric monk
02:03 / 26.08.08
Thank you for saying that, Stoatie.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:06 / 26.08.08
In the cold light of day, I could perhaps have phrased it a little less harshly, but I stand by the sentiment.
 
 
HCE
14:58 / 26.08.08
I don't actually recall flyboy going through the kind of extended ban-me/don't-ban-me/I-send-only-love theatrics we've seen before, but maybe I missed something. More like expressing the periodic fits of disgust that people sometimes go through. Link?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:04 / 26.08.08
Actually, I have a vague recollection that Fly did request a ban at one point, but don't ask me to remember where, because it's not coming to me this morning. Fly seemed to favour the I-hate-Barbelith / I'm-leaving theatrics. Repeatedly. Stoatie's points are valid.
 
 
HCE
15:30 / 26.08.08
Go ahead and pull up the links, I'll pull up what I consider theatrics, and we can do a side-by-side comparison.

I've left before and come back, and I'd like to know what exactly the fuck you think you're going to do about it? Are you going to say EPIC FAIL? Go ahead, do it. Maybe I'll cry, and you can feel sexy about it.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:35 / 26.08.08
Flyboy did make a bit of a song and dance about things when he returned after a short period of leaving, yeah, to the extent that it seemed as though the only reason he returned was so that he could keep telling us how shit the place was/is. He also did the "please ban me" thing in Convo, but didn't mention it again once I asked him to PM me with his login details.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:42 / 26.08.08
In Flyboy's defence, he didn't make a very big thing of leaving. No "I'm leaving" thread. He said in a thread that he was off, and then was off, and then came back, and then was off again, and is now not posting. It's arguably inconsistent and can be brickbatted as such, but it's not exactly a thread in Conversation and another in Policy. Esp since I, not he, suggested he might have scrambled his password, if memory serves.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
15:53 / 26.08.08
I've left, I mentioned it in a conversation thread, this is my second suit because I locked myself out of my last one so that I couldn't post anymore. I did that because I was sick of this place. There isn't any problem with leaving or telling people you are because when you feel like you have a big connection to a place it sometimes take a song and a dance. Now that I feel significantly less responsibility to barbelith I feel a lot better about contributing to it.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:57 / 26.08.08
Agreed, but there's a difference between going and coming back in that manner, and going then coming back in order to have a bit of a rant.

Anyway, none of this is really on topic, as far as I can tell, and it's largely in the past now. AG has claimed that he'll only be posting to Comics and... I can't remember, Convo probably, so we'll see how well he sticks to that decision.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:58 / 26.08.08
Flyboy is unique in the history of people who left and then came back and then left again, in that when he left it was because of frustration with stupidity - stupidity which he did not bring to the board - rather than stupidity which he caused and which other people criticised, upsetting the troublemaker, which is the case with every other maker of big exits that I can remember.

Unlike the uglies, whatever the flaws of his leaving, and whether or not we think he should have left, he left because of a frustrating situation in which he was right to be frustrated.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:59 / 26.08.08
And I say that as someone who a) has been shouted at by Flyboy and b) would have preferred him to stay.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
16:54 / 26.08.08
Hear, hear.

Dealing with aggressive attempts to lower the quality of what is left of Barbelith.

Back to the subject: I don't suppose that ignore and chiding the guilty parties is good enough? I think people will post shit no matter what. (Some more than others...) I don't know if banning's the answer. To ban someone because they're a notorious link poster or one-liner seems a bit dodgy. Could lead down nasty roads. (Not that banning is an easy or unjustifyable thing to do. Logistically a pain in the ass, or so I've read...)

Maybe Consensus shunning: Start a Shun thread and whenever someone posts something so stupid in any given thread, the thread starter can make a request to the moderators to have the offensive post thrown into the Shun thread. Reasons will be given, and hopefully the offender will smarten up or leave after becoming sick of being treated like a pariah.

You can start with this post if you think the suggestion is that stupid...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:24 / 26.08.08
(Apologies for off-topica, but since I started it, I should address shit).

Esp since I, not he, suggested he might have scrambled his password, if memory serves.

I'm pretty sure he said it himself... if he didn't, then fair enough. It was definitely the impression I got, though. I'll have a look for links later if anyone still cares; off out now, though.

Regiment is right, though- whatever else I may have problems with, Fly didn't "leave" as a result of his own idiocy, rather other people's.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:55 / 26.08.08
I've left before and come back, and I'd like to know what exactly the fuck you think you're going to do about it? Are you going to say EPIC FAIL? Go ahead, do it. Maybe I'll cry, and you can feel sexy about it.

I think you overestimate the strength of my feeling on the subject. I'm going to express mild annoyance, and that's about it. My point is that if someone (Fly in this case, but it applies to anyone) spends their whole time on here saying how much they hate it, then perhaps they'd be happier elsewhere. I can't DO anything about it, nor would I want to. But it does tend to get in the way of trying to make things better for everyone else.
 
 
electric monk
18:02 / 26.08.08
RE: Aggresive attempts to lower quality - Darkmatter has returned. See here for the latest (which is up for lock/delete right now). See here for previous Darkmatter banning discussion. I ask that consideration be given to booting Darkmatter via the Haus/E. Randy/Tom method.
 
  

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