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Seth
21:15 / 29.04.08
Do not fear Ma'at. She brings us sparkly Bleach presents and she is a total tsundere.

Regarding the two tones in Rukia's name on the Bleach covers (from the second link)... I don't think for a second that she's a Vaizard right now like some of those posters are speculating. She says she doesn't fully understand the power that Ichigo has gained, doesn't instinctively recognise the Vaizard as similar to herself when she meets them and would for sure have used that power in her fight against Aaroniero Arruruerie. There's a slim chance that having the Hougyoku inside her changed her, but we haven't seen that manifest once or even had a hint of it yet. I have no problem with her becoming one at some later point in the story, however. As for their questions about her mysterious past the only really large blank space that I can see is her relationship with Hisana, for which we are almost bound to get more backstory.

Some of those posters express curiosity that Urahara chose to hide the Hougyoku in her, but previously I'd just interpreted this as simple opportunism when he found out that someone was on the move to steal it (how he knew that remains to be seen). She was in need of a body to stay in Karakura town but knew she'd broken the law, and Urahara could provide one that was untraceable (although he handily kept from her that it worked by degrading her reiatsu and turning her into a normal human, thus ensuring that anyone looking for a Shinigami would have to actually lay eyes on her). Although saying that there is a gap in the narrative after Ichigo takes her powers. He claims not to know what happened to her after he defeated the Hollow and that he wasn't privy to the memory alteration of his family, and it's hard to believe he'd just leave her bleeding and his family in disarray to, well... just go to bed.

Back to the two-tone writing for her name. I've long suspected that Kubo will make her zanpakuto unique by having its shikai be an ice type but having its bankai as a fire type. Hence the duality. I'm probably wrong, but it would seem to match her character and I really don't want this series to end before she at least attains bankai.
 
 
Seth
05:33 / 02.05.08
An interesting element of the Hueco Mundo arc that we've skirted around in various ways but not addressed directly is Aizen's attitude towards his soldiers and the nature of the game that he's playing with them as well as with the Scooby intruders.

At the very beginning of the invasion he makes sure that all the Espada know Ichigo, Ishida, Chad, Rukia and Renji's histories in the Soul Society rescue and asks them not to underestimate the threat that they represent… before effectively confining all of them to their respective quarters and asking them not to seek out their enemy and to only engage if the intruders come to them. And what do we get subsequently? We see Gin playing with the pathways, presumably manipulating the encounters. We see Espada after Espada flout their orders in order to seek out the enemy, indeed every one of them that dies does this in some manner. Aaroniero Arruruerie and Zommi go to find Rukia; Szayel allows Renji and Ishida to come to him but overstretches his mandate by deploying the Exequias; Nnoitra first locates Chad and then Ichigo; and Grimmjow, while not being killed, is defeated after using Orihime to play out his own game. Ulquiorra also defies his orders when he seeks out Ichigo, and interestingly he is left behind in an alarmingly prone and outnumbered position to guard the fort while Aizen takes his three loyal Espada to what he believes to be Karakura Town. The only Espada that doesn't fit this schema is Yammi, and I guess that's part of the reason I'm suspicious regarding the tenth Espada's absence when so many of his superiors have been cut down (he is neither a loyal member of the Karakura Town invasion team nor a disobedient upstart in need of teaching a fatal lesson. Is he being discarded because he's a bit thick and therefore a liability?). Aizen doesn't lift a finger to help any of them in their battles, even when the fight seems even or when they're close to defeat. And we can be fairly sure that he can save any of them at any time he likes, either by sending reinforcements (Hueco Mundo is home turf and teeming with powerful Hollows, Menos and Arrancar) or by intervening himself.

It would seem to me highly likely that he has used Ichigo's invading force (and subsequent Soul Society reinforcements) to do his housekeeping for him. By giving an apparently unreasonable and inexplicable order he has whittled down his forces to the ones he can truly rely on to do exactly as he says, while making it appear as though the dead bought it on themselves by stepping out of line. Aizen perpetually seeks absolute devotion, people who will follow him to the letter, so it's notable that he sidelined Renji at the earliest opportunity because he was too much of a wildcard whereas Kira and Hinamori were allowed to remain in key positions. Aizen's game could be seen in this light, as adhering to traits he possesses that are already well established.

Another frequently used strategy of his is to divide and conquer. We've already noted that he's been doing this with Soul Society all along, firstly by securing the defection of Tousen and Gin, then by setting Shinigami against Shinigami in the Rukia execution scenario, then by dividing the remaining manpower between Hueco Mundo, Soul Society and the real world. But it would seem that he is also doing it to his Hollow followers, firstly by demoting the original Espada to humiliatingly low numbers, then by giving his new ruling ten Arrancar an order that he can fairly guess over half of them will prove unwilling to follow. By giving them orders that they must defy in order to stay true to their own basic nature he ensures that their fear of him and distrust of each other isolates them from pairing up or working as a team, because such a status hungry bunch would surely report each other's disobedience in order to climb the ladder rather than accept an offer of mutual support. He splits them again when he only takes three Espada with him to attack Karakura Town with Aizen and Gin.

One of the things that many of us have noticed is that Hueco Mundo is a mirror for Soul Society and that the two narrative arcs have also seemed to be a reflection of each other. What interests me at the moment is how this may have caused key differences between the two worlds and stories to be ignored and the suggestion that Kubo may be using the audience' intelligence and analytical abilities to make them more susceptible to his narrative sleight of hand rather than less. I wonder whether he's deliberately trying to make us complacent by giving us a story that we think we know.

For example, one key difference between Hueco Mundo and Soul Society is that the Arrancar already ruled the roost in the former whereas the Vaizard have never (to the best of my knowledge) had an equivalent position in the latter. For all its horror HM is actually far closer to the natural world than SS. It's a world in which we're told that the inhabitants act purely on instinct and the fittest survive, with no kind of civilising influence whatsoever. We are being taught to see it not so much as a culture or society but as an eco-system, and the implication is that the Arrancar are just those who naturally fall at the top of the pecking order. There is no parallel for this in SS, and this may be because as soon as you impose societal rules you naturally have a culture in fear of punishment, capable of being lied to by leaders and controlled by taboos. It's perfectly possible that the Vaizard should naturally occupy a similar place to their underworld counterparts, but that they have been ostracised through the kind of good/evil binary law making that cannot easily be generated in HM, which actually seems to be a perversely *innocent* place by comparison.

If Aizen's stated plan to become a Vaizard is true then his biggest enemies will be both the existing Vaizard and the Arrancar. The former are in exile, either through their choice or through expulsion, their allegiance with Soul Society already effectively destroyed. We don't yet know whether Aizen had a hand in that, but given his position in -108 it seems highly likely. Whether there were ever *natural* Vaizard in a similar sense to the Privaron Espada remains to be seen, but it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine a culture like Soul Society hounding them into extinction after declaring them to be an abomination even prior to Aizen's manipulation.

Aizen's tactics frequently operate to achieve more than one goal at a time. I'm starting to think that kidnapping Orihime and allowing her friends to attempt a rescue has had the sixfold effect of stalling for time, assessing Ichigo and Orihime, dividing up the Soul Society forces, allowing him to eliminate potential opposition in Hueco Mundo, cultivating unquestioning devotion from whichever Espada are left and whatever unresolved ploy lies behind showing Orihime the location of the Hougyoku. If all of this is the case then the HM Arc could be amongst the most beautifully elegant strategies ever pulled off by a villain in popular fiction. He's already bought HM to its knees and sealed it away, in order for the story to progress he has to be victorious against the Shinigami in the battle over decoy Karakura Town, and that leaves him with only Urahara and the Vaizard left to face (is anyone doubting that they're allied?)… although what with the Shiba Clan, Royal Guard, Isshin, Ryuken and the possible identity of the Unknown King in the mix there are still quite a few wildcards… and if Ulquiorra and Grimmjow realise the game Aizen's playing with them it could tip the scales in favour of Strawberry winning two more unusual allies. Just don't call them nakama, eh? It leaves you wondering just how he intends to manipulate Ichigo and the Vaizard into fighting the Royal Guard for him.

If all this speculation is accurate then Tite Kubo is in the process of pulling off the masterstroke of turning the genre upside down, in that the standard hero's quest in all Shonen anime is being used to further the principle antagonist's plan rather than foil it.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
12:11 / 02.05.08
If we're going with the 'everything happens according to Aizen's will' paradigm of Bleach plotting, and I don't see anything to contradict El Directo's analysis so far, I wonder how this strategy of pitting the Espada against one another relates to Szayel Aporro and Nnoitra's alliance - the only one such seen among the Espada so far* - and their nasty little pincer attack against Neliel Tu Oderschvank. Nel in the flashback material appears as a much more solemn, proud and noble Arrancar than most of her peers - a No. 3 Espada so self-possessed could easily prove much harder to handle than jungle king Grimmjow or ethical fruitcake Zommari. By having her excised by two individuals Aizen undoubtedly thinks of as useful idiots - and only after she's been made full use of, conducting the campaign of exterminating rebel Hollows - the Espada gets a judicious pruning and the top three, as ever, never get their hands dirty.

*Not counting Yammy's position as Ulquiorra's lieutenant, which has never been verified officially but seems fairly self-evident. Neither have been shown to have a Fraccion of their own and the fan theory that Yammy was Ulqi's Fraccion prior to making it into the number ten spot - perhaps following the reshuffle after Nel's removal - seems on the mark to me. He's bound to turn up again when we eventually see the Ichigo/Ulquiorra final battle currently waiting in the wings.
 
 
Razor Wind
15:06 / 02.05.08
Ma'at:Your link-fu is strong and completely welcome here.
 
 
Seth
13:49 / 11.05.08
Has no one else read this yet?

It's all getting a bit whodunit innit. My theory is that the assailant who takes out Kensei and the rest of the Ninth is Ichimaru Gin, using his zanpakuto as the equivalent of a sniper rifle. Along with Aizen that could make him one of the three seen from behind in silhouette experimenting on people in Rukongai, but that theory still leaves us with the mystery of whoever is the third person in that group. We haven't seen Tousen make an appearance yet, but you'd think he'd get a bit more of an introduction before just turning up in a prominent position. The obvious guess is Mayuri, and that the deal that has been struck is that he will help Aizen with the weird afterlife science if Aizen helps him get rid of Urahara. Kurotsuchi is cunning, he knows that Urahara will be prepared for anything he might do to depose him, but that his boss might not be expecting an attack from other quarters. However… although Mayuri is near the top of most people's lists for being a potential Aizen collaborator I remain convinced that he's much more interesting on the side of the Gotei 13.

It leaves me wondering how some of these scenes will play out in the anime adaptation. In the comic you can get away with three people talking and still leave their identity unknown. In the anime you'll be able to hear their voices, so if the three are known to us it won't leave much to the imagination. My guess is that they'll either skip the scene altogether or skip the dialogue.

These issues have also made me question who started this whole weird arms race in the first place. I has assumed that it was Urahara's invention of the Hougyoku that kicked it all off, but what if he actually had no interest in it until he realised that he had to compete with his enemy in order to get there first? I guess we've also assumed that he invented the Hougyoku while he was still Captain of the Twelth, whereas he could have made it in exile. Ma'at tells me that some people have also speculated regarding exactly when he installed it in Rukia, which makes me think that it's conceivable that it's been in her since birth if the method of hiding it involved her parents (and may have led to their death). However, the dates don't seem to tie up when you bear in mind Rukia's apparent age and when Urahara was exiled… unless Hisana is quite a lot older than her sister and the Hougyoku was dormant in one or both parents for quite a few years (or possibly its method of creation involved it being split in two and united at the moment of conception). If Rukia carried the it even before she entered Urahara's untraceable gigai then the implication could be that the very act of transferring her powers to Ichigo made him a Vaizard, a speculation that is reinforced by Aizen himself when he says that temporarily fusing with the spirit body of a Shinigami allows the Hougyoku to become fully active (what he actually says is that it's the fusion with a Shinigami of Captain level, but this stumbling block could be overcome by either Ichigo's immense submerged reiatsu or some people's speculation that Rukia herself is more than she seems, that she is possibly nobility).

Otherwise for -103, there's some good potential misdirection regarding Kensei's Ninth squad members. They're all excellent character designs, are all named and are conspicuously all dressed in white (a colour usually reserved for captains or the laboratory staff of the Twelth), and so the implication is that they're all powerful in their own right with interesting back stories. That they are all killed off so quickly (if, indeed, they are dead) is quite unlike anything Kubo has set up in the past. I also liked the subtle development in Hiyori that we're seeing. While she'll never treat Mayuri as anything other than a freak she has to defer to him in the lab because Urahara wants her to, she calls her captain by his first name when she wants to sound off about her indignation regarding obeying Kurotsuchi and she dutifully follows orders after her obligatory hissy fit. She has clearly come to respect her new captain, a level of respect we have never seen her show to anyone else.

Interesting that Urahara tells her that she is the only one he can trust. If this was a routine forensic mission then Mayuri would be the strongest candidate for deployment. Does he already suspect that Mayuri is involved?

Brilliance: Mashiro touching herself up in her sleep. I really love this character. How on earth has she made it to Lieutenant? Especially interesting given that we know that she later becomes the only Vaizard who didn't have to train to be able to retain their mask for as long as they required.

Other speculation… the sky inside Las Noches. Restating my earlier theory, I reckon Aizen has only allied himself with the Arrancar in order to eliminate them as a potential threat, and is using Ichigo/Renji/Ishida/Chad/Rukia and Byakuya/Kenpachi/Unohana/Mayuri et al to wipe out those who profess loyalty but actually have hidden agendas or are just too damned uncontrollable. He has ordered the scouring of Hueco Mundo by his current Espada and has humiliated and demoted the old guard. What we know about Las Noches is that it is in part constructed upon the site of a much older structure that was built by persons as yet unknown... what I'm thinking now is that the replica of Soul Society's sky is there for purely psychological reasons. When one culture seeks to control another it often smashes or subverts its symbols and constructs its power base in the heart of the old capital, often in the same buildings. Aizen is trying to divide and conquer, not only by isolating his enemies from each other but also setting themselves against their own basic natures, an particularly graphic example of which is turning the strength of Hinamori's devotion against herself and her friends. Hueco Mundo used to be more of an eco-system than a society. His blue sky has the effect of detourning the habitat itself (to the detriment of some of his follower's powers, again a form of control), which furthers his aim of forcing the Espada to act like a mockery of the Gotei 13 instead of the Darwinian pecking order that is their natural condition. Everyone is paranoid about why it's there, not realising that their paranoia is the primary reason for its presence. In many ways what Aizen has done to Hueco Mundo is far more awful than what he did to Soul Society and it's one of the main devices that Kubo is using to realign our sympathies on the side of beings that we had been taught to see as evil.

Back to Mayuri. One detail that I forgot was that he now has access to all of Szayel's research, and when he swung open those double doors he acted like he'd hit some kind of jackpot. Now that we know a little more about him, is anyone else made a hell of a lot more nervous by this?
 
 
Maat
14:21 / 13.05.08
Honestly, I would say something intelligent and thoughtful about 103 but I'm afraid my brain kinda melted after the panel showing Kensei's fabulous abs adorned with a 69. So, *points at Directo's post*, what he said..

103 has caused a veritable explosion of Kensei/Hisgai speculation. So, for the moment, I'm going to be over here in the corner writing pr0n and trying to work out whether I should start being scared of Urahara.

Is it just me, or does Mayuri remind you of snail without his shell in these latest issues? He sems a little diminished without the captain's cloak and headdress we usually see him in.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
20:43 / 13.05.08
Brilliance: Mashiro touching herself up in her sleep. I really love this character. How on earth has she made it to Lieutenant? Especially interesting given that we know that she later becomes the only Vaizard who didn't have to train to be able to retain their mask for as long as they required.

Kensei and Mashiro really feel like an earlier Hitsugaya and Matsumoto (another box-top Lieutenant on the face of it, no disrespect intended) to me, with the age difference diminished but the personalities and dynamic remarkably similar. Talking of fun equivalences between Seireitei then and now, how has no one else in this thread yet mentioned the immensely tickling revelation back at the start of this run that Sailor Sappho herself, Lisa Yadomaru was once Nanao-chan 1.0? I'm seeing Shunsui in a whole different, and - considering the way this storyline is developing, it's very likely that as far as he knows in the present day, Lisa's dead - rather perturbing Vertigo-esque light. If there's a reunion of the Vizards and the still-active Shinigami from that era due at any point I'd love to see more of these relationships explored.

Mashiro's anomalous power level - present-day Vizard Mashiro at least, the relationship between characters' powers and latencies as Shinigami and how they prove out as Vizards is still awaiting some in-continuity exposition a ways down the line - means that we could add her to the list of characters who upset the orthodoxy of established power rankings in interesting ways a la Ikkaku, something El Directo wrote about in the anime thread. Rather than rehash those points for this thread I'll just note something I think I've observed, that the Shinigami of yesteryear who wound up as Vizards all seem to have an unconventional air; with the honorable exception of Kensei who appears to be a total straight arrow, the likes of Shinji, Hiyori, Hachigen and Love seem to me rather more - whimsical? - than present-day captains such as Unohana and Byakuya. If those being targeted for experimentation now are being selected according to some sort of criteria, could that be among them? I wonder if, Maggots' Nest notwithstanding, Gotei 13 was a more liberal organisation in those days and the hardline status that appears to have prevailed until Aizen took down Central Chamber 46 could be some kind of backlash against the shitstorm that no doubt followed the bizarre, Urahara-centred developments we're seeing germinate now. Idle speculation ahoge.
 
 
Seth
08:51 / 14.05.08
Blimey... I don't know whether it was because I read a poor translation or because I was wowed into anti-thought because of all the other revelations in the mix, but I totally missed that Lisa was the former Lieutenant in the Eighth. And you're right, that makes Kyōraku appear MUCH pervier what with the bookish librarian/secretary fetish, and stern authoritarian dynamic reinforcing his self-conception as the naughty child. The man has a type. What we can't yet tell is how much Lisa and Nanao have bought to the mix themselves. We don't know much about the latter yet, but we can make a few informed speculations regarding the former's porn addiction and tendency to wear school uniform like a fashion accessory.

On that note, I saw Hideaki Anno's Love and Pop last night and felt like I needed to detox my soul afterwards.
 
 
Seth
09:02 / 14.05.08
Is it just me, or does Mayuri remind you of snail without his shell in these latest issues? He sems a little diminished without the captain's cloak and headdress we usually see him in.

The subtle aging process at work in the character design is marvellous, something that I'd previously only seen done as beautifully in Eureka 7. There's a marked difference in Mayuri without the authority of the Captain's position, he's much more dour and downbeat. Amazing that he can pull off the Siouxsie Sioux/psycho monk look and still appear under-dressed.
 
 
Seth
08:28 / 16.05.08
Anyone else read -102? I don't want to hog the thread by going first all the time, so for now I'll just ask (only a spoiler because you'll know who doesn't show up this issue)... why haven't we seen anything of Divisions 10 and 11 in the Turn Back the Pendulum storyline? They have to be deliberately left out because we'll be surprised by their Captains or Lieutenants... so who is left who can realistically fill those positions? I'm thinking the list can only extend to Kūkaku Shiba, Isshin and/or Masaki Kurosaki, the teacher of class 1-3 at Karakura High and Don Kanonji.
 
 
Red Concrete
10:02 / 16.05.08
Yep, that's Tessai out of the running as a previous Zaraki. I always (since about my 4th re-reading) wondered how he managed to pull off that level 99 binding spell on Ichigo without chanting, in Urahara's Shattered Shaft. Though I wouldn't want to assume the -108 Zaraki is necessarily someone living. I'd like to know around what time Hisana Kuchiki died.
 
 
Razor Wind
13:05 / 16.05.08
I'm more surprised at the existence of an entire Kidou Corps.
 
 
Maat
13:11 / 16.05.08
102 - My love for Shinji grows exponentially!

Am calling it now. I reckon Isshin is the previous Zaraki and Captain of 11th Squad. If this turns out to be true I duly expect El Directo to squeee so loud you will be able to hear it in Oz.

Risa rocks muchly and I think Shunsui is not nearly as big a perv as he pretends to be. I also have a sneaking suspicion that everything is going to turn out to be Urahara's fault.

Argh! This weekly drip feed is killing me.
 
 
Seth
17:07 / 16.05.08
I'd like to know around what time Hisana Kuchiki died.

She died around a year before Rukia was invited to join the Kuchiki Clan (source: Bleach 178).

I'm more surprised at the existence of an entire Kidou Corps.

They were mentioned as far back as the first page of Bleach 168/episode 60, don't know whether any specific mention crops up any sooner. If you do a Google search for 'Kidou Corps' you'll find people speculating about Hachi's potential involvement with them before this issue was published, due largely to observant fans noticing the symbol on his head on the title page of -107, which is the same as that which appears in 168. I was caught by surprise, I hadn't considered this line of speculation before today and I had completely forgotten about the Kidou Corps.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that everything is going to turn out to be Urahara's fault.

Very possibly. At present the only way I can see that being the case with what we know so far is if Mayuri is involved in some manner, although the clock may be rewound even further to give us more information.
 
 
Seth
17:30 / 16.05.08
My love for Shinji grows exponentially!

My love has also increased... for Kyōraku.

He notices how stressed Urahara is before he interrupts Yamamoto in order to suggest deploying Lisa. Well, he doesn't so much suggest it, he just does it and clears it after giving the order. What's more Ukitate also anticipates Kyōraku calling on her before getting the OK from the boss.

It's a lovely scene for giving so much compressed character work in such a short number of pages with little that's overtly stated. Yamamoto defers to Kyōraku, Ukitate knows that it's likely that his friend will jump the gun, and Kyōraku once again confirms that he is one of the best judges of character in the whole of the Gotei 13. He knows when and how to be cheeky with the boss, he knows his Lieutenant will be eavesdropping and trusts her with the mission and he simultaneously shows solidarity with Urahara while teaching him the same lesson as Yoruichi only in a much more gentle manner. Yoruichi, on the other hand, very publically distances herself from Urahara with her shouted recrimination, probably because she stood as advocate for Urahara's promotion and therefore believes that his public display of weakness is a humiliation for her, too. Although I strongly doubt that Urahara gives a shit about public humiliation himself, he's far too much his own person to care about what other people think of such overt displays of emotion.

Did I mention that I love this comic? So much understated character work. Kubo is on fire right now.
 
 
Seth
17:37 / 16.05.08
Great Hiyori moment on the last page. Head slightly turned away, all thought of her usual default position of shouting at Shinji forgotten. She knows she's fighting the thing that Kensei has become and there's no way she can escape and leave him like that. I love her to bits.
 
 
Seth
18:19 / 23.05.08
-101 is up and scanlated.

The main matter of interest for me in this issue is the speculation it throws up concerning Yoruichi, who true to Kubo form doesn't even have to appear in order to be thoroughly revised in our expectations. -106 confirms much of what we already knew about her, that she is the Head of the Shihouin Clan which automatically confers upon her the status of Commander in Chief of the Special Forces, and on top of that she is the Captain of the 2nd Division.

What we can piece together from elsewhere is that she is one of Urahara's childhood friends, trained with him and built the first hidden training arena with him in Soul Society. Further to this he was her Third, the man who ran the Maggots Nest and it was Yoruichi who recommended him for Captain of the 12th Division. Upon getting the position he installed himself as the Chief of his newly formed Research and Development Department.

Now we know that Tessai, the Captain of the Kido Corps, also resided at the Shihouin Clan mansion at the same time as Urahara.

Taken together that means that Yoruichi is an extraordinarily powerful player in Soul Society, much more so than previously thought. Of the three main branches under the direction of the Council of 46 she controls one, has a strong influence in the second (the Kidou Corps) via its Captain, and through Urahara's friendship has an influence in a sixth of the 13 Protection Squads (the third branch), not to mention having an entire clan at her back and strong links to the R & D Department. Taken together this makes one hell of a platform to gain a controlling stake in the running of the whole of Soul Society... what's more you could see her relationship with Ginrei and the young Byakuya as an indication of the inroads she is making into the Kuchiki Clan, and we already know that she has ties to the Shiba Clan through what we saw of her interactions with Kukaku in the Soul Society Arc.

Simply put, any close reading of the text places her as probably the second most powerful single individual in Soul Society at the time of the Turn Back the Pendulum storyline, just behind Old Man Yama himself.

Again, we're forced to question what we thought we knew regarding the status of individuals in relationships. I think most people had assumed that Urahara was the link between Tessai and Yoruichi, that the two of them knew of each other through everyone's favourite shopkeeper. Now it seems that Yoruichi was originally the lynch pin between the other two. I had also assumed that she accompanied the Karakura Scoobies to Soul Society at the request of Urahara, but now it seems as though she is unlikely to take orders or requests from anyone.

Yoruichi's departure from Soul Society is now even more of a mystery considering just how powerful she was. There were no charges bought against her and she wasn't exiled with Urahara, otherwise Soi Fong would have known about it. And speaking of Soi Fong, my intuition tells me that Yoruichi may deliberately have done a number on her successor, nurturing her devotion (and arguably seducing her) and then abandoning her without any sense of closure, effectively pulling a similar tactic to how Aizen treated Hinamori. She knew that upon her return all she would have to do is reassert herself and find a crack in Soi Fong's defensive cold exterior in order to regain her devotion and therefore her position of influence with the Second Division, so her disappearance could be seen as a calculated risk.

Now remembering Urahara's dialogue with Hiyori in -106... that he didn't believe in the stated aims of the Maggots Nest and was wondering about whether the inmates could be rehabilitated. If we're to take these words at face value then he seems to be setting himself up as a would-be reformer. It makes me wonder whether gaining a controlling stake in Soul Society was a plan that he had been formulating with Yoruichi (and possibly Tessai) since childhood, whether the three of them were planning on taking over and radically reshaping the entire culture...

Anyway. Lisa totally rules, with her ruthless tendon-slicing tactics being worthy of Byakuya. And Shinji fighting with a barely protesting Hiyori under one arm was another lovely touch to one of my favourite Bleach relationships. When the shit's hitting the fan she's a lot more level headed, caring and deferential, isn't she?
 
 
Seth
18:51 / 23.05.08
Yep, that's Tessai out of the running as a previous Zaraki. I always (since about my 4th re-reading) wondered how he managed to pull off that level 99 binding spell on Ichigo without chanting, in Urahara's Shattered Shaft.

I was chatting to my brother about this the other day. It's a great piece of writing because at the time Tessai pulls off this outstanding feat of magic we haven't yet been informed of the rules regarding kidou, that skipping an incantation and getting full power out of a spell makes you a super-duper hard-ass. By the time we do learn that we've already forgotten about Tessai's powerplay, because we never realised that's what it was, and given his apparent lack of status you might be led to dismiss it as the inconsistencies of a younger Kubo feeling his way in his new universe.

But no. The fucker had it worked out all along and writes with more internal consistency and planning than we have any right to expect for a pulp medium. What a clever bastard.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
20:00 / 23.05.08
You see why El Directo rules? He can read a twenty-page manga chapter that's two-thirds fighting and sound effects and swiftly and effortlessly draw a ream of seamless, thought-provoking and fertile speculations out of it, based on the portion everybody else was too blitzed with crazy action to overlook. I'm now wondering if minus one hundred more flashback chapters will be enough to explore, in the detail they deserve, the intricacies and intrigues of plot, counterplot, allegiances and rivalries that spin out from this narrative strand alone. The notion of Urahara as potentially more manipulative and nefarious than Aizen is one we're inured to by now, but the parallel between Hinamori and Soi Fong is a mindfucker - particularly as it's difficult sometimes to remember what Bleach's narrative terrain was like without Aizen as Ultimate Bad Guy at its centre, and consonantly hard to think of Hinamori as anything other than a victim, rather than the strong-willed, earnest young woman we saw in her earlier appearances. Seeing Yoruichi in this light as a god-tier power player capable of doing an Aizen on Soi Fong makes me think, not that we're due for a 'Surprise, I'm Evil! LOL!' reveal from any of the sweetshop triumvirate at any point, but just what a multi-dimensional plot we have to speculate over. If these three - four? a hidden alliance with Aizen still isn't out of the question - have the total transformation of Soul Society as their goal, it's one of the most nuanced long-term conspiracies I've seen in a fantasy series.

After all - just to pick out one thread - given the subtle fleshing out of the relationship between Yoruichi and the Kuchikis that this flashback has delivered, I'm brought back to wondering gleefully what must have gone through Byakuya's mind when she said to him on that bridge one of my favourite lines from the entire series:
"In just three days, I will make this boy stronger than you."
Way to motivate an opponent!

There's not much more for me to add about the big fight, except to say that Kubo's visual skills are in top flight again - the Hollowized Kensei is truly spectacular, bringing to mind Yoshiyuki Sadamoto's Angels from Evangelion, and the mosquito-bumblebee-moth mask design for Mashiro fits so well her persona as an irritating little pixie that I'm quietly awed.
 
 
Feverfew
20:53 / 23.05.08
If I ever form a band, can I borrow "The Sweetshop Triumvirate"?

Please?
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
21:15 / 23.05.08
Only if you have a cat with gender identity issues on melodica. And cover *she's a shooting star, good night, good night*.

I love that song.
 
 
Seth
22:09 / 25.05.08
Seeing Yoruichi in this light as a god-tier power player capable of doing an Aizen on Soi Fong makes me think, not that we're due for a 'Surprise, I'm Evil! LOL!' reveal from any of the sweetshop triumvirate at any point, but just what a multi-dimensional plot we have to speculate over. If these three - four? a hidden alliance with Aizen still isn't out of the question - have the total transformation of Soul Society as their goal, it's one of the most nuanced long-term conspiracies I've seen in a fantasy series.

It gets even more interesting. Remember when Ukitate and Kyoraku destroy the Sougyoku? The device that Ukitate releases in order for the two of them to do the job bears the Shihouin Clan crest. For a writer who plans this far in advance, and especially considering that Ukitate and Kyoraku have no obvious narrative or relational ties to that clan, this cannot be a coincidence or a continuity lapse. It's becoming increasingly (speculatively) clear that even if Urahara is at the forefront of the arms race to combine Sinigami and Hollow (of which I'm still not convinced, but we'll see), virtually all his Soul Society power base rests solely on the shoulders of Shihouin Yoruichi and that he would have been completely incapable of getting as far without her.
 
 
Seth
16:12 / 27.05.08
Just for fun (innit!) how about we list all the unanswered questions that each of us have about the story so far? I guess none of us can be guaranteed to get answers for a lot of them, but it'll be hella hella enjoyable...
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:56 / 27.05.08
Ooh, for starters....

  1. Which squad did Isshin serve as captain for?
  2. When and why did he leave Soul Society?
  3. Is Ururu really the Eva Unit Zero to Nemu Kurotsuchi's Unit One (or Two)?
  4. For that matter, who is Jinta?
  5. What's so strange about Urahara's bankai?
  6. What was the question Renji was going to ask Urahara in exchange for training Chad?
  7. Will Ikkaku ever tell anyone about his bankai?
  8. How do Gin and Rangiku really feel about one another?
  9. What were the Vizards doing in between Kensei getting Hollow-fied and Shinji enrolling in Karakura High School?
  10. Exactly how did Karin know that Ichigo is a Shinigami?

That's just ten, moderately trivial for the most part, unresolved issues... please let me know if the answers to any of these are already evident in canon or are bitingly obvious.
 
 
Red Concrete
19:40 / 27.05.08
I wanna play too! By and by I think #10 is apparent in the manga, but I'll have to dig around.

For now:

  • Is Gin a bad guy?

  • What is the Kurosaki - Ishida history?
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    Seth
    21:02 / 27.05.08
    1. How did the Captain of the 10th die before the Turn Back the Pendulum arc?

    2. Who is Kenpachi and Captain of the 10th at the time of the TBtP arc?

    3. Who are the three figures in silhouette experimenting on people in Rukongai?

    4. How did Isshin lose his powers?

    5. What happened to Ichigo and Rukia in the blank space between issues 1 and 2?

    6. Who are Rukia's parents and what became of them?

    7. What special abilities will Tatsuki, Keigo and Mizuiro develop?

    8. Why did the Sougyoku destroyer that Ukitate releases bear the Shihouin Clan crest?

    9. Why did the Shiba Clan fall?

    10. What's the backstory with Isshin and Ryuken, and how does Masaki figure into it?

    11. What stopped Grimmjow from eating Shawlong, D-Roy et al, and how did they become Vasto Lordes when they were so convinced that they couldn't previously?

    12. What (if anything) has Aizen done to Orihime and how does it figure into her plans for the Hougyoku?

    13. Exactly who/what are Jinta and Ururu?

    14. Who is Tousen's dead friend and what did she mean to him?

    15. Who was the original Yachiru and what was her relationship to Zaraki Kenpachi?

    16. What in the blue hell is Urahara's bankai?

    17. What/who has Mayuri discovered in Szayel's sample store?

    18. What illness does Ukitate have?

    19. What's going on with Chad's powers, and is that really the spirit of his Grandad in his arm? If so, how did he end up as a Hollow?

    20. What is the common goal that links Aizen, Tousen and Gin?

    21. Exactly how insanely powerful is Unohana and what are her backstory and motivations?

    22. How do Urahara, Yoruichi and Tessai wind up together in Karakura Town when leaving Soul Society either means interment in the Maggots' Nest or execution?

    23. Who is in Division Zero and how many of them are there?

    24. Who/what is the King and why is he such a demiurge figure?

    25. What makes Mashiro's ability to hold her mask differ from the other Vaizard?

    26. How is Ichigo suddenly able to hold his mask, and does it have anything to do with his wounding at the hands of Ulquiorra and subsequent healing by Orihime?

    27. Why do Yoruichi and Urahara seem so intent on amassing such a huge power base in the TBtP arc?

    28. Is Ichimaru Gin a double or triple agent or is he just playing his own game for kicks?

    29. Who is Hikifune and what is her story? Besides the King she's the first character in Bleach to be so clearly mentioned as having such great importance before we actualy get to meet her.

    30. What happened to Don Kanonji?
     
     
    Seth
    21:04 / 27.05.08
    31. What's the story behind Ichigo's class, who is his teacher, and are we being Marduk'ed?
     
     
    Maat
    21:42 / 27.05.08
    El Directo 18: Are we not told early on that Ukitake has TB?

    I think most of my questions have been asked already and 105 gave me one of the things I wanted answered more then anything else already..so


    1. What is Shuuhei's sword called, what's his shikai? Ditto for his bankai and are we going to get to see it?

    2. What's Matsumoto's bankai?

    3. What is Kenpachi's sword called and what's his shikai and bankai? Infact more Kenpachi back story *please*.

    4. More about Benihime and Urahara please, shikai, bankai, hell a fight would do?

    5. What prevents Urahara entering Soul Society?

    6. What is the back story of Ryuuken, Isshin and Urahara?

    7. What are the inner landscapes of the other shinigmai like? Infact more on the relationship between the swords and the shinigami generally.

    8. What 'fighting' got Renji thrown out of the Fifth Squad and equally how exactly did he get to be Lt of Sixth Squad? Did Byakuya pick him or was the decision made for him?

    9. How did exactly did Byakuya meet Hisana if she was of such a lower class?

    9. When shinigami die do they reincarnate in the real world?

    10. How exactly does Hitsugya know Momo and ditto for Gin and Matsumoto?

    11. Who exactly is Ichigo's mum and how did Isshin meet her?

    12. When is Renji going to tell Byakuya he loves him?
     
     
    Seth
    03:36 / 28.05.08
    El Directo 18: Are we not told early on that Ukitake has TB?

    For his bunghole? Ah, apparently that's revealed in the manga... I don't recall it being mentioned in the anime. Ta much!

    3. What is Kenpachi's sword called and what's his shikai and bankai?

    We've seen the shikai, his sword is like Ichigo's and stuck in a state of permanent release with no cool command to activate it. The fact that it doesn't seem to have any interesting powers feels in keeping with the character.

    As to his bankai... we've had the conversation off board, but the only way I can conceive of him attaining it is in a time of crisis, when a lot of lives are at stake. Rather than achieving it himself his zanpakuto seems more likely to approach him with an offer, something like, "I've always hated you, but right now there's too much at stake for that." Or something innit.

    4. More about Benihime and Urahara please, shikai, bankai, hell a fight would do?

    We've seen the shikai, it's just that his conversation about it with Yammi hinted to a few people that it might require a lot more explanation. However, those people (myself included) might be speculating based on a mistranslation. In some translations Urahara says that he blocked Yammi's cero with a similar attack from Benihime, in others with an attack of equal power. The former leads you to believe that he's countering a cero with a cero, the latter not so much.

    This might also be true of the hints that Ulquiorra might know Urahara and Yoruichi, rather than just knowing of them. In Dattebayo's translation he says of Yoruichi, "Such provocation is unlike you," in others "You're one to talk." They have very different implications, although you could argue that the former is evidence that Ulquiorra doesn't know Yoruichi at all, given that provocation is something at which she excels!
     
     
    Seth
    03:46 / 28.05.08
    I guess the question with Ukitate now becomes how he continues to have tuberculosis when Unohana has been one of his colleagues for at least two hundred years. Could it be some kind of psychosomatic version related to a trauma he endured while alive in the real world, before he died and went to Soul Society?
     
     
    Mysterious Transfer Student
    15:28 / 28.05.08
    Talking of Matsumoto's bankai, I'm guessing it'll turn out to be related to the special attack she possesses in one of the DS games, where the floating ash of Haineko's released form gathers into a smouldering cat-shaped entity.

    I'm honestly not enthralled about the prospect of the series having to work through every single high-ranked Shinigami to sort out their shikai, bankai and zanpaktou character traits before the eventual super-apocalyptic conclusion. It feels like too laborious a process, an over-efficient colouring-in of the corners of the Bleachverse that leaves too little to the imagination and risks sinking a story that's so far worn its immense level of detail with charming lightness. I'd say that the only characters we absolutely need to see execute bankai for the series to feel complete are Urahara, Yamamoto, Rukia and Gin, with perhaps the other favourite lieutenants and seats as bonus material. The Winter War storyline is likely to be the watershed for this sort of thing, of course.
     
     
    Seth
    16:33 / 28.05.08
    I'd say that the only characters we absolutely need to see execute bankai for the series to feel complete are Urahara, Yamamoto, Rukia and Gin, with perhaps the other favourite lieutenants and seats as bonus material.

    I'm largely agreeing with you on not needing a full run down of whose reiatsu can do what weird ass shit. Displays of power are less interesting to me than interesting fights that move the characters, relationships and narrative forward. Nevertheless I'm not sure how you've picked these four out more than some others... I would say it's certain that we'll see Aizen's bankai before the end, for example. Even if he's not the principle antagonist as he's been depicted, taking him down or reframing him as a character almost unavoidably requires his narrative to reach some kind of climax, and bankai would seem the logical way.

    I also think that Kubo has made a contract with the audience to the effect that we'll see Zaraki Kenpachi's bankai before the end, because again it seems like the logical end point of his arc. His question to his zanpakuto after his fight with Ichigo would seem to make it inevitable. Similarly I'm virtually certain that there's a related promise that we'll at least see Yachiru fight, which is likely to involve at least a shikai release. She's been painted as extraordinarily powerful (the moment when she tells Orihime, Chad, Ishida, Ganju and Maki Maki that she'll wipe out the more powerful opponents so they can pick off the small fry) but we have still never seen it... I don't think Kubo could resist giving us her moment of powerplay.

    Another unexplored permutation of existing Bleach rules is the idea of the all-or-nothing release, which will play exceptionally well given the right character. We've seen two examples of characters whose zanpakutos are stuck at shikai, but there are as yet no characters who don't possess shikai at all, skipping straight from unreleased zanpakuto to bankai. Done well that would be a fantastic moment and I suspect rather too tempting a concept for Kubo to pass up, especially given the right character temperament.

    It's not necessarily going to be hard to show a lot of shikais and bankais in quick succession either. Hitsugaya was taken out by Aizen within seconds of his release, and the shikais of Omaeda, Isane and Chojiro were all deployed in quick succession to give Ichigo his bastard-hard hand-to-hand moment at the Sougyoku. This is almost certainly how the fight in the fake Karakura Town will play out... there are far too many people involved to spend a huge number of issues on individual battles, so I predict that the fights will be quick, chaotic and bloody with maybe a couple of major set pieces.
     
     
    Mysterious Transfer Student
    17:48 / 28.05.08
    I'd omitted Aizen largely due to amnesia, as I'd confused his shikai - the established 'absolute hypnosis' game-breaker that enabled all his machinations in the rescue arc - with his bankai, sight of which I agree is a requirement for /series. As for Kenpachi, it's certainly the logical finale to his character growth, but I just have an irrational attachment to him as the character who above all upsets the rules and boundaries set by the relatively polite and orderly Shinigami combat system, and thus their society in general. The ingenious get-out used during the Nnoitra fight (HE USED BOTH HANDS) pleased me so greatly that I didn't really want to look too far into the future beyond. If he attains or reveals bankai, of course, I'm certain that Yachiru will play a part in his getting there somehow, and her own potential should really be shown as part of that.

    Yamamoto I chose because he's the number one top Shinigami-dono and we have to see him really go to town - against Aizen, most likely - at least once either before he dies or the series ends; Gin because he deserves a crack of the whip alongside his two co-conspirators, and I can imagine Shinsō's final form being an exceptionally nasty and bloody one; Rukia for the unarguable reasons you gave in the first post on this page. Urahara's release, which almost certainly includes a Hollow component in it somewhere, may be needed to answer the remaining questions about where Ichigo's powers really come from, so I think it's indispensable.

    there are as yet no characters who don't possess shikai at all, skipping straight from unreleased zanpakuto to bankai.

    Unohana? Her initial release hasn't been seen, but her bankai (Minazuki the weird flying manta ray) has. An underpowered character who's never really had their turn in the sun would be fun to see in this capacity; Nemu, Nanao or Ukitake's two toadies (whom I fondly imagine performing an awesome two-part GATTAI attack) are some of my nominees.
     
     
    Feverfew
    17:57 / 28.05.08
    In no particular order:

    I guess the question with Ukitate now becomes how he continues to have tuberculosis when Unohana has been one of his colleagues for at least two hundred years.

    I guess that it's something he's had his whole life - and if I had to take it further, I'd figure that he still has TB for the same reason that Kukaku Shiba still only has one hand (in the manga at least) - in that some things, once broken, can't be fixed.

    Is Ururu really the Eva Unit Zero to Nemu Kurotsuchi's Unit One (or Two)?

    I have no answer to this, I just really like the question.

    Exactly how did Karin know that Ichigo is a Shinigami?

    I kind of assumed this was a mixture of her having seen him In Character and from her time with Don Kanonji in the Karakura Superheroes, wherein it might have come up as a topic of conversation.

    9. Why did the Shiba Clan fall?

    I thought - although I'm not 100% - that this was strictly to do with Kaien, and Kaien's wife's, death, although I don't have it to hand right now to have the actual defined reason.

    8. What 'fighting' got Renji thrown out of the Fifth Squad and equally how exactly did he get to be Lt of Sixth Squad? Did Byakuya pick him or was the decision made for him?

    I thought that Renji being moved was a simple piece of manipulation on Aizen's part, as he found Hinamori and Izuru useful but Renji too troublesome. This is only from the earlier chapters, though.

    9. When shinigami die do they reincarnate in the real world?

    I would be fascinated if the cosmology of the Bleach world was given more detail, but I get the feeling that it's deliberately fuzzy so that rules aren't set down that necessitate being broken later. Note, for instance, that Zaraki identifies Tosen and Ichimaru as the only Captains who are "afraid to die"; if it's a matter of circular re-incarnation, why would they be worried? Unless they've committed deeds that doom them to Hell, somehow, and that would be shaky to justify considering it's previously shown that deeds as a Spirit Form (in the case of the explanation, a hollow) are forgiven during Konso but not the deeds of the human before they became a spirit form / hollow (at least, this is the explanation around the serial killer going to hell during the Parakeet / Shibata story).

    In fact, the Hell of the Bleach cosmology is something that will either be rigorously defined, or left well, well alone, I suspect.

    Talking of Matsumoto's bankai, I'm guessing it'll turn out to be related to the special attack she possesses in one of the DS games, where the floating ash of Haineko's released form gathers into a smouldering cat-shaped entity.

    I don't have any further information, I just like the idea that Matsumoto's zanpakuto is "just as moody, lazy, and selfish as she is, making the progress (towards bankai) difficult."

    I'm not totally up-to-date with manga or animé, so my information may not be perfect, but I enjoyed the questioning posts so much I wanted to chip in.

    And now, back to real life! More or less...
     
     
    Feverfew
    18:00 / 28.05.08
    Unohana? Her initial release hasn't been seen, but her bankai (Minazuki the weird flying manta ray) has.

    I was under the impression that Minazuki was the shikai form rather than a bankai? Wikipedia supports this:

    Unohana's zanpakutō is Minazuki (肉雫唼, lit. Purify the Flesh). In sealed form, Minazuki is slightly longer than ordinary katana, and resembles a nodachi. Instead of tying it to her obi, Unohana carries her zanpakutō over her shoulder by a rope strap or lets Isane carry it for her. When unsealed, the entire sword transforms into a giant, flying, one-eyed manta ray. It has the ability to heal people by swallowing them. When Unohana reseals Minazuki, it dissolves into green mist and reforms into the sheath of her zanpakutō. Though the series never shows her performing the actual release, Bleach Advance: Kurenai ni Somaru Soul Society labels this form as Unohana's shikai.
     
      

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