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Ignacio
17:52 / 11.06.08
Nice theory. I would add one further bit of evidence to substantiate the possibility of Mayuri being involved, to some extent, in the Aizen-Gin-Tousen agenda. Towards the climax of the Soul Society Arc, when the news about Aizen are spread to all captains and the ryoka by the 4th Squad Lieutenant, there is collective shock except for two captains, who, if not indifferent, at least they don't take any form of action. Zaraki Kempachi, who is characteristically indifferent to whatever happens to Soul Society and is frustrated after Komamura abandoned the fight right after releasing Bankai, and Mayuri, who is having some kind of bath (and we see his "real" shape for the first and I think only time) and tells his Lieutenant, with a bitterly ambiguous look on his face, that he is "not interested".
Yes, the picture of Uruhara appearing on Aizen's back is a work of genious. Only half or Aizen's face is shown, and Uruhara's hat covers half of his own face: two halves, one is in temporary - and brief- shock, the other is unreadable.
There is also an intention to make Uruhara look like some kind of apparition, or ghost. We were all expecting that, so Kubo had to come up with something truly great; either by confounding expectations, or by fulfilling them in an awe inspiring way. Just brilliant. Can't wait.
 
 
Seth
01:50 / 12.06.08
Mayuri, who is having some kind of bath (and we see his "real" shape for the first and I think only time) and tells his Lieutenant, with a bitterly ambiguous look on his face, that he is "not interested".

Damn straight. I wondered about that too. Nice to have you on here, Iggy.

Also good to see that Barbelith's newest member is nanao-chan. Welcome on board, hope to see you on these threads.
 
 
nanao-chan
02:06 / 12.06.08
Hello, yes, new Bleach fan here.

I am currently re-visiting Aizen's James Bond villain expository moment in volume 175, waiting for the next manga installment.

I have been wondering about the odd backwards numbering of the Turn Back the Pendulum arc. In Hueco Mundo Orihime is trying to wish the hougyoku into non-existence. My speculation is that if she succeeds, things will be thrown back to some Year Zero point, so that the Hueco Mundo and vizard origins timelines end up meeting. And then the whole story ends.
 
 
Seth
09:27 / 12.06.08
So your speculation is that Aizen will pull a Superman II? Make Orihime think she's rejecting the Hougyoku, but actually she'll be rejecting the whole of Hueco Mundo around it?
 
 
Seth
10:08 / 12.06.08
Nope, I think I misread you... maybe.
 
 
nanao-chan
10:48 / 12.06.08
My thinking was that if Orihime succeeds in wishing the hougyoku away, one consequence might be things being 'reset' to a time prior to the hougyoku's creation by Urahara.

So far we only know from Aizen that Urahara was not able to destroy the hougyoku. What if Urahara chose not to destroy it because of the consequences from destroying it? Is there some cataclysmic consequence and is that why Aizen has planted the idea in Orihime's head? (Personally I'm waiting for the reveal that Aizen and Urahara were TWINS!SEPARATED!AT!BIRTH!)

Ichigo's zanpakuto bothers me endlessly because it's essentially a giant kitchen knife! Part of me expects him to start mincing and dicing vegetables whenever he pulls it out.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
14:20 / 12.06.08
In answer to that last point, and given that a zanpaktou's character always mirrors its owner's, I think it's an essential part of Ichigo's appeal. He's an uncomplicated guy who carries an uncomplicated weapon, and surrounded as he is by people fraught with conflicting loyalties, passions, grudges and fiendishly deep long-term plans - and whose weapons and special attacks generally involve some form of magic, trickery or hidden power - it helps to distinguish him from the rest of the cast. Despite the ongoing subplot of his struggle with his Hollow self, Ichigo himself and Zangetsu are probably the most straightforward A-list characters in the series, and one reason I fight shy of any hypothesis that he's a Skywalker-like heir to the throne of Soul Society is that I much prefer him as a regular un-Chosen guy, not subject to any prophecies, destinies or exalted status. As El Directo commented in the anime thread, Ichigo doesn't give his unique status or tremendous power any thought beyond what's needed to protect his friends, with the result that Buffy-ish angst is conspicuously absent from the series. To someone who grew up reading Marvel comics that's refreshing, and I think it's the key to understanding why Ichigo could never be replaced as the hero of this story. He's the centre of it and everything starts from him - not simply because of what he is, but who he is.
 
 
nanao-chan
14:54 / 12.06.08
I agree that Ichigo's appeal lies in his not being uber-heroic; he's believably flawed. We have just started watching the anime at the house and mr. nanao's first reaction to Ichigo was, "He's a jerk."

So Ichigo is the A-list everyman, but what about poor Renji? As I've been re-reading the Soul Society arc, I am feeling more and more sympathetic to Renji-kun. He just keeps trying and trying, but is always bested by some twist of fate that can't be overcome by just working harder. In the Shinigami Academy, he's in more advanced classes than Rukia, but then she leapfrogs over him through adoption to the Kuchiki clan. Then he's kicked out of the 5th squad after being recruited into it with his schoolmates Kira and Hinamori. (And then gets plucked out of 11th squad to be vice-captain of the 6th - has any other shinigami had as many squad transfers?) Renji achieves bankai but even this is a short-lived triumph, as it's easily bested by Byakuya and Hollow Ichigo. And it looks like Ichigo's getting his girl, too, no?

Poor guy.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
15:11 / 12.06.08
Given that Renji's exit from the Fifth was entirely due to Aizen recognizing that he was harder to control and manipulate than either Kira or Hinamori, I say he was actually rather fortunate there. Also recall that his time among the roughnecks of the Eleventh and as Byakuya's lieutenant gave him the battle skill he'd one day need to play a decisive role in the Rescue arc, and his relationships with Byakuya and Rukia provided him with the motivation to complete bankai and fight alongside Ichigo against Aizen. Without all of that, he wouldn't be the loveable guy he is, for all that he's perpetually in Ichigo's shadow.

Oh, and I forgot to add my own welcome to Barbelith, nanao-chan. The trolls here are few, but please don't feed them all the same.
 
 
Seth
16:31 / 12.06.08
I think Renji is actually much, much braver than Ichigo. Strawberry has an almost monomaniacal level of focus and refuses to have his eyes taken form his goal, even to the point of practically commanding people who are his senior (by hell of a long way) not to tell him the consequences of failing. Renji is initially so compliant with Seireitei because he's in awe of it, represented by his relationship with Byakuya, and he's also that much more aware of the power that exists there. Turning his back on it and deciding to save Rukia was therefore a much braver thing to do than Ichigo's pig headed drive to charge through any obstacle with blind brute force. When he fights Byakuya he knows he will fail but he does it anyway because he has set his will to be true to himself.

That's something extraordinary. Ichigo refuses to even consider failure. Renji knows that he will fail and knows exactly what failing entails but fights anyway.

One of my favourite Renji moments so far was in his fight with Szayel. He knows he's out of options against a far superior opponent. He knows Ishida is cleverer than he is. All he has left is to turn one of his key weaknesses into a strength in an incredibly brave all-or-nothing strike that he knows will hurt like hell, just to buy Ishida some time. He literally put his life into his ally's hands, trusting him completely. It was such a strong character moment and the expression on his face as he executes the strike speaks volumes, his malicious you're-going-down-you-vile-son-of-a-bitch sneer, his pleasure in his own recklessness, his insane determination to just hurt his opponent.

I find Renji one of the most admirable characters in the whole story. He knows that he has failed Rukia several times over and has probably lost her forever as anything more than a friend but he's dealt with that baggage (he's not bitter with either her or Ichigo, or even Byakuya for that matter) and is now exactly where he wants to be... which is disobeying orders so that he can fight with his nakama.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:24 / 12.06.08
Excellent props for Renji, El D. Following on from that comment about the Szayel fight, a moment nearly as great came a little later, when Renji, facing SAG's legion of zombie clones, had his flash of inspiration and fired up Hihio Zabimaru, neatly bringing the whole building down around their ears as all the duplicates blindly copied him. His admission that he just did it to see what would happen and Uryuu's 'You really are just like Kurosaki!' ... definitely one of the funniest bits in the Espada arc.
 
 
Triplets
20:41 / 12.06.08
He's an uncomplicated guy who carries an uncomplicated weapon

Right, I know I espoused the "Yachiru is Kenpachi's zanpakutou" theory in the Other Thread but I have an alternate one.

As Rail Tran says a zanpakutou is a reflection of the owner. Kenpachi's blade is dull and rusted with an inward-facing hilt that provides no defense, befitting a guy who deliberately uses a soulsucking!eyepatch and otherwise hobbles himself to get a good fight. If Ken were a blade he'd be like his sword. Like Ichigo and Old Man Zangetsu, as long as Ken keeps swinging his sword will keep chopping.

Ken hasn't learned his zanpakutou's name because, although he's stubborn, he simply hasn't needed to. He's too strong, and his sword knows this. Ken needs to find someone who can and WILL kill him, when all his natural strength is not enough, before he can progess further. It's only until Ichigo fights him to a standstill (and shows him working with your sword can bring more power) that Ken even considers the possibility.

God knows who he'll have to face for that to happen, though.

I also think, if Yachiru is a seperate person completely, that Ken subconsciously knows his sword's name already. It's Yachiru, and that's why he named her thus.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
21:30 / 12.06.08
According to this still-useful resource, the kanji for Yachiru's name (やちる or 八千流 ) can read:-

"eight", "thousand"; "current" or "forfeit"

The last of these is a little ominous in the context of this speculation... if Ken ever attains bankai, what might he have to give up in return? If it plays out the way this suggests, the manly tears are going to be flowing freely.

(The same page also tells us that 'Kenpachi' can read both 'eight' and 'sword', of course. What's with this reiatsu%%% sorry, all the eights?)
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
22:02 / 12.06.08
Ken needs to find someone who can and WILL kill him, when all his natural strength is not enough, before he can progess further. - God knows who he'll have to face for that to happen, though.

If it hadn't already happened, to legendary effect, I'd nominate Kaname Tousen. Kenpachi's opponent needs to be someone who can and will kill him, granted, but who also fights and exercises his strength for a reason fundamentally different to the basically thoughtless motive Ken has for swinging his blade. (I.e, why Nnoitra couldn't hack it.) Ichigo's relationship with Zangetsu and his friends was one such difference; as Tousen is - in his own very twisted way - as committed to peace as Kenpachi is to battle, I think a rematch would be interesting given the changes the latter's been through since their last fight. The Winter War and beyond is likely to be a period where very many Shingami plotlines get a payoff... and while a potential future confrontation between Gin and Kira, or Gin and Rangiku, comes loaded with unresolved character issues, I just don't see Hisagi as a strong enough character to make a showdown with his old captain interesting. (Sorry, Hisagi fans, but I call it like I see it - if it wasn't for the stuff with Kensei in the current story he'd still have the personality of an ironing board.)
 
 
nanao-chan
22:29 / 12.06.08
D'oh, I just realized why the medical unit is the 4th squad. The character for 4 is read the same as the Chinese character for death, so avoided similarly to the number 13 in Western culture. Rather morbid that the medical squad gets to be the "Death Squad."
 
 
Seth
01:52 / 13.06.08
That translation resource is a goldmine of pure unlimited gold dust awesome. I will read the whole thing on Sunday when I get a spare five minutes.
 
 
Seth
10:04 / 13.06.08
Aargh! These chapters are too short!

-98 has neatly sidestepped a lot of my previous speculation about Mayuri. It appears that Aizen's experiments were flawed, and that in order to save the future Vaizard Urahara has to use the Hougyoku in order to complete the process. It still might be the case that Mayuri has betrayed them, but it's not strictly necessary if all Aizen has managed to develop is an unstable prototype rather than a borrowing of the real thing.

Best line in the whole issue: "...What's with that ugly mask?" So true of so many moments in the history of Bleach! Such a lovely understated way for Urahara to tell Shinji that he's going to try to make it all OK for them, and the return of the 5th Captain's grin, even in the midst of his agony, was enough to convey that he got the message.

Hmmm... but *forbidden kidou?* That's a particularly unexpected reveal in itself, because the forbidden Bakudo #81, Danku, "...a protective wall that completely shuts out any Hadou numbered 89 and under" is not only something we've seen before (and was used in a similar context with seemingly the same rules in operation), but that the person to whom that quote belongs was Kuchiki Byakuya during his fight with Zommari.

Which makes the current Captain of the 6th even more interesting, as well as the Zommari battle much more fascinating with all the questions it raises... did he know how to do that all along? Why would Byakuya learn taboo magic when he is so keen to adhere to the laws of Soul Society? Did he learn it after his battle with Ichigo, or before his promise to his dead parents, is he not as law abiding as he might have publically stated, or did the taboo later get repealed? Did he pull out all the stops in this fight because there were no witnesses and he was that angry about what the Espada had done to Rukia?

And why are these particular spells forbidden in the first place?
 
 
nanao-chan
12:00 / 13.06.08
-98 Aargh! What a trainwreck! Not the manga, but the way events are progressing for Urahara and friends - forbidden kidou techniques, captains and vice-captains turned into hollows and wounded, and lots of secret research Urahara has not informed the higher-ups about. At this point Aizen can just go to the 46 Chambers in the guise of a whistleblower, and Urahara and Tessai are on the express train to the Maggots Nest.

So, Aizen is big hero of Soul Society; Urahara and Tessai are traitors, and the Vizard may be regarded as co-conspirators; Yoruichi may be suspect due to her ties to Urahara, including recommending him to be captain - her exile from Soul Society may be a result of her choosing to break her buddies out. Mayuri may turn out to be of unexpected assistance, simply by choosing to be indifferent to Central 46 orders and even helping get people and equipment out, just so he can take over the 12th.
 
 
Triplets
14:11 / 13.06.08
The D, nanao-chan and Rail Transfer have moist brains and excellent analysis.

And why are these particular spells forbidden in the first place?

Danku, possibly, because it allows a (seemingly) perfect defence against high level attack spells, rendering a large portion of Kido useless. Instead of counter-spell for each spell you have one that nullifies most everything, something that the Kido corps (and high-level Kido users) would want buried away.

The teleportation spells are, I think, obvious. Nowhere in Soul Society would be safe from you (including the King's Domain?)
 
 
Triplets
17:37 / 13.06.08
Interesting that Kaname is so eager to kill Urahara and the others, even after being told no, to the point that Aizen has to lay it out for him. We're told over and over that he's out for peace. Could he be more blood-thirsty than even Gin is being made out to be? What is the justice Tousen is after? I suspect his friend died as a result of something someone high up in Seireitei did.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:48 / 13.06.08
I'm guessing Byakuya learned Bakudo #81 either from Yoruichi, or more likely from Tessai at her direct request, prior to their exile - long before Byakuya became clan head, captain and the tightly reined-in soul he is today. The early part of the Zommari fight shows him using another rarefied onmitsukidou technique, following which he comments that he "didn't want to have to use the techniques that woman taught me". It'd be just like her to leave a hook in the future head of the Kuchiki clan by teaching him an extremely powerful forbidden technique. That's Yoruichi - she loves to mess with the people she cares about, but she usually makes sure they learn something from her that could save their lives one day.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
18:05 / 13.06.08
Mayuri may turn out to be of unexpected assistance, simply by choosing to be indifferent to Central 46 orders and even helping get people and equipment out, just so he can take over the 12th.

I'd love it if it emerged that this were true, and (assuming that the Mayuri as fourth man theory still holds water) better still, that Mayuri continued supplying Urahara contraband equipment after his exile, behind Aizen's back. Just the fact that he's a totally amoral self-preservationist who cares about nothing except research suggests it's entirely possible he'd be playing both sides. Urahara could well be bribing him with technical data on the Vizards' development, ghoulish as it sounds.
 
 
Feverfew
20:56 / 13.06.08
I see Urahara, though, underneath all the flippancy and all the material I've laid eyes on, as having a certain amount of ghoulishness. While he's not represented as having the same type of pure, driven, unethical and downright offensive drive for research as Mayuri, he's still willing to press all the scientific boundaries just to find things out, viz the untraceable gigai, the hougyoku, and the fact that he just happens to keep a box of defective konpaku around rather than sending them back.

Although, granted, he may not be able to send them back, considering the possible circumstances.

I feel - and this is just a personal feeling - that Urahara and Kurotsuchi have exactly the same level of lust for knowledge and progress. It's just that Kurotsuchi is willing to experiment on living subjects, over and over again, to discover new and interesting things in new and disgusting ways, and is utterly amoral, whereas Urahara has a line somewhere, and won't cross it for fear of going beyond the pale.

Urahara's early representation was of being on the spot just after interesting things happen and offering assistance to the side he deems to be right; just because he's consistently aided the protagonists doesn't make him in any way 'good' by many definitions. The current arc is starting to show that he definitely used to care about more than just this - but is there a reason why, apart from the obvious?
 
 
Seth
13:51 / 16.06.08
nanao-chan: Mayuri may turn out to be of unexpected assistance, simply by choosing to be indifferent to Central 46 orders and even helping get people and equipment out, just so he can take over the 12th.

Transfer: I'd love it if it emerged that this were true, and (assuming that the Mayuri as fourth man theory still holds water) better still, that Mayuri continued supplying Urahara contraband equipment after his exile, behind Aizen's back.

That's certainly my preferred reading. Despite my previous theorising that he's in with Aizen (largely because of the number of hints, possibly red herrings) that this is the case I remain firmly of the opinion that he's more interesting on the side of the 'good guys' (if Bleach can be said to have such a thing beyond the Karakura Scoobies).

Triplets: Interesting that Kaname is so eager to kill Urahara and the others, even after being told no, to the point that Aizen has to lay it out for him. We're told over and over that he's out for peace. Could he be more blood-thirsty than even Gin is being made out to be?

Tousen seems to me to be tied up in self-justification and self-deception to the point that he's become completely unhinged. He strongly reminds me of the kind of religious fanatic who has abandoned real reason for a dangerously simplistic worldview, rather like the orchestrators of the sarin gas attacks that Haruki Murakami describes in Underground (I know I've quoted this passage in its entirety elsewhere, but it's ace and deserves repeating):

"In his sermon Asahara spoke about the Sambhala Plan, which involved the construction of a Lotus Village. There would be an Astral hospital there, and a Shinri School that would provide a thorough-going education (. . .) Medical care would be so-called Astral Medicine, which would be based on Asahara's visions of another (astral) dimension and memories of past lives he would see during meditation. Astral medicine would examine the patients' karma and energy level, and take into consideration death and transmigration (. . .) I'd had a dream of a green, natural spot with buildings dotting the landscape, where truly caring medical care and education were carried out. My vision and the Lotus Village were one and the same."

Hayashi thus had a dream of devoting himself to a utopia, undergoing strenuous training unsullied by the secular world, putting into practice a kind of medical care he could give all his heart to, and making as many patients happy as he possibly could. These motives are indeed pure and the vision outlined here has its own beauty and splendor. Take a step back, however, and it's clear how completely these innocent remarks are cut off from reality. In our eyes this is like some strange landscape painting that lacks all sense of perspective. Still, if any one of us had been a friend of Dr Hayashi's at the time he was considering becoming an Aum renunciate and we tried to give him some convincing proof that his ideas were alienated from reality, it would have been very difficult.

But what we should say to Dr Hayashi is really quite simple, and it goes like this: "Reality is created out of confusion and contradiction, and if you exclude those elements, you're no longer talking about reality. You might think that, by following language and logic that appears consistent, you're able to exclude that aspect of reality, but it will always be lying in wait for you, ready to take its revenge."

I doubt Dr Hayashi would be convinced by this line of argument. Using technical terminology and a kind of static logic he would strenuously counter-argue, outlining how proper and beautiful the path is down which he plans to travel. So at a certain point we could do nothing but fall silent.

The sad fact is that language and logic cut off from reality have a far greater power than the language and logic of reality — with all that extraneous matter weighing down like a rock on any actions we take. In the end, unable to comprehend each other's words, we'd part, each going our separate ways.

Reading Ikuo Haysahi's notes, we are often forced to stop and think, and ask ourselves such simple questions as: "Why did he have to end up where he did?" At the same time, we're seized by a sense of impotence, knowing that there was nothing we could have done to stop him. You feel strangely sad.


So yeah, I think Tousen is a maniac and his sermonising about *justice* likely to be little more than the rantings of a madman. We didn't see the merest hint of his stated principles when he displayed how eager he was to kill Urahara and Tessai. I get the impression that when Komamura realises this about him it'll either give him the strength to kill his old friend or that the revelation that Kaname has been like that all along (along with the guilt about not seeing him for what he truly was) will throw him off balance sufficiently for the traitorous ex-9th Captain to beat him. The last canon scene in which we saw Komamura implied that he thought that Tousen could still be reached, and I seriously doubt that is the case, unless Tite Kubo pulls his usual trick of completely reframing him with further revelations.

Transfer: I'm guessing Byakuya learned Bakudo #81 either from Yoruichi, or more likely from Tessai at her direct request, prior to their exile - long before Byakuya became clan head, captain and the tightly reined-in soul he is today.

I'm not so sure... that could well be the case, but Kubo seems to enjoy using the kidou system to pull off subtle foreshadowing and reveals to the extent that I suspect there is more going on behind the scenes. Tessai refers to forbidden magic twice this issue, once in a full panel knitted-brow shot that seems deliberately intended for as-yet unexplained emphasis that it's a story point worth paying attention to, in much the same way as Kyoraku's dramatic crash-zoom panel in which he mentions Division Zero for the first time.

Kidou is another of Kubo's grid systems/character maps. You've got the different types of spells, the ranking of spells according to potency, the skipping of incantations, combinations of spells, and now forbidden spells... where a character stands regarding whether and how they use kidou says a lot about them. The names, numbers and incantations are particularly hard to remember (probably even in the original Japanese, it's a notoriously problematic written language), so he can pull off all kinds of shenanigans right under our noses. I'm therefore suspending any kind of easy reading regarding the Byakuya/forbidden magic reveal because my spidersense is tingling that there might be something big buried here (wording intentional, because even though it hasn't been mentioned here yet the classic number one reason for learning taboo spells in pretty much all fantasy fiction does rather seem apply directly to KB).
 
 
Maat
12:14 / 18.06.08
*vibrates with excitement*
I love this thread and I wish to have hot, sweaty, monkey sex with all of your brains.

I would also like to ramble on extensively about zanpaktou and kidou and why Urahara is Merlin and Byakuya is Europa and Gin is the elephant in the drawing room but I have NO TIME and must now return to my works of professional evil. *wails*
 
 
nanao-chan
13:32 / 19.06.08
I'm obviously spending way too much time thinking about Bleach, but anyways ...

Urahara and Kurotsuchi have exactly the same level of lust for knowledge and progress.

I am wondering if Urahara at this point may not have the same level of lust for power that Aizen does, but coming from different motivations. In the current arc we are given hints that Urahara does not agree with some of the fundamental workings of Soul Society. But, he's willing to toe the line despite some private misgivings, while following his beliefs in the areas that he can get away with doing that (e.g. his stint supervising the Maggots' Nest). And then Soul Society fails him in a big way when he is cast out along with the Vizards. So now, from a dabbler he is now a full-on revolutionary, aiming to overthrow Soul Society as we know it. Ichigo and Soul Society are just assuming Urahara is on their side. But there's really no reason for Urahara to side with Soul Society. He has reason to fight Aizen, and he has reason to develop Ichigo as an ultimate weapon that is NOT answerable to Soul Society, but why should he help those who cast him out?

I don't think Urahara wants power for himself the way Aizen does. I think Urahara wants a different Soul Society, one that is not built upon its current feudal model, one without the nobility and royalty. I think he wants a more open and equitable society, closer to what currently exists in the human world compared to Soul Society.

Nobody really knows what Urahara's plans are - the other characters state what they think he did and why, and Urahara simply nods and agrees. Even Aizen may not be considering that Urahara may have his own agenda, simply assuming he is allied with Soul Society.

Urahara may have decided to help Ichigo and friends rescue Rukia seeing it as an opportunity to test and perhaps cause fissures in Soul Society. I think it's significant that Kyoraku and Ukitake, the oldest captains of the Gotei 13, challenge Yama's authority. A Soul Society weakened by its conflict with Aizen, and indebted to Urahara and the Vizards, may be ripe for revolution.
 
 
Seth
14:27 / 19.06.08
I don't think Urahara wants power for himself the way Aizen does. I think Urahara wants a different Soul Society, one that is not built upon its current feudal model, one without the nobility and royalty. I think he wants a more open and equitable society, closer to what currently exists in the human world compared to Soul Society... A Soul Society weakened by its conflict with Aizen, and indebted to Urahara and the Vizards, may be ripe for revolution.

My thoughts exactly when I was speculating on exactly who may have sneaked into Soul Society back on the first page. If the two Karakura Towns have been switched then there's a ton of characters seemingly loyal to Urahara who are now there, possibly including Urahara himself if he has indeed been pardoned. Isshin, Ryuken, Tatsuki, Mizuiro, Keigo, Tessai, Ururu, Jinta, the Vaizard, possibly Yoruichi herself, that teacher of whom I'm so suspicious... they could all be artfully positioned for The Takeover (God MC, me, Jay-HOVA)... and they're all free thinkers with a huge diversity in their skillsets, exactly the kinds of people who typically end up with Urahara. He's positioned himself pretty well, all told.
 
 
nanao-chan
16:02 / 19.06.08
Revolutionary Shinigami Urahara.
 
 
Triplets
18:19 / 19.06.08
And then he and Ichigo kiss!

Edit for slightly more substance: I love The D's and others posts in this thread and it's older brother. Complete guff this, but, I wonder if there's room, in this day and age, in the book/geek market for companion guides that are written as a show is broadcasted then published after the fact but full of speculation and musings on the show as it happens. It'd appeal to a) geeks/fans and b) people watching a show after the fact as a kind of Offline Speculation Thread.

For the coffee table.
 
 
Triplets
21:16 / 19.06.08
Urahara himself if he has indeed been pardoned

And if not that will be very interesting if he's still there. Will he help the members of the Gotei 13 who are edging towards Aizen's mincer? Or not? They banished him, after all, and he wants some form of revolution. What easier way to get there than to leave the most powerful people in your way (whom you've already got beef with) to be destroyed?

Or he might show up to help them but that seems so... uninteresting.

If he is in Fake-kura town then it's going to be a big indicator what side of the Hero/Manipulator fence he falls on.

Knowing Tite Kubo probably dancing somewhere on top of it.
 
 
Red Concrete
07:05 / 20.06.08
-97

[+] [-] Spoiler , until everyone's read it.

So this is some sort of cliffhanger for the big battle over Fake-kura, I presume. Still so many questions unanswered. I need someone to pay me to think about this stuff so that I don't have to run to work right now.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
08:32 / 20.06.08
WHY~~~ does this always does come down the pipe after I've left in the mornings? I'm megas hyped for the end of this storyline.

Ma'at and Nanao may or may not be gratified to learn that I spent a good portion of yesterday evening trying to source a picture of Urahara cosplaying as Utena Tenjou, but haven't got one. Le sigh.
 
 
Seth
13:35 / 20.06.08
I guess that answers my question of why we're being told all this now. The backstory of the Vaizard is pretty essential information in order to know where their loyalties lie, although we won't know exactly how it'll play out until they're in the mix with all the other characters. I'm betting that Urahara kept his two underground bases secret from the Karakura Town blueprints for the transfer duplicate, which means that any number of characters may turn up and have a role in this battle. If the Vaizard are present in Doppelganger Town then I doubt we'll see anything as straightforward as three conflicting agendas.

As for how to interpret this:

Yoruichi: "Now get on with it. The best solution to the worst situation... that you'd thought of since you first heard about this from Hirako."

My reading is that Urahara suspected that the loss of form of the missing people on the outskirts of Rukongai was an indication of early-stage Hollowisation experiments and so took steps for the evacuation and submerged reiatsu of the future Vaizard in the belief that they would be hunted by Soul Society.
 
 
Seth
14:04 / 20.06.08
"Furthermore, the 5th Division Captain and the other eight victims of your evil experiments... will be dealt with as Hollows."

Shudder. That's so much more horrible that what I'd expected. They're not even accorded the special status of *freakish abomination* or *hybrid,* they're just Hollows to be exterminated.

When did our sympathies start to lie with the Hollows, anyway? It's been a slow build over the whole Hueco Mundo arc...
 
 
nanao-chan
17:15 / 20.06.08
Some random thoughts as I am re-reading old issues in random order:

Could Kyoraku and Ukitake have a combination bankai? Sort of like assembling Voltron, but in this case with two bankais. The two are presented together in fight situations, like in their standoff against Yama and also in the panels showing the captains ready for battle in Fake-kura. And also the emphasis on how they both have zanpakutos in pair form. Maybe their bankais combine into a mega-bankai.

Ichigo is an arrancar. When he comes out of the pit in 64, he tears off his hollow mask. Which is how arrancar are formed.
 
  

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