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Mysterious Transfer Student
20:48 / 31.03.08
For an introduction to what Bleach is and why we love it so, you can't do better than read the opening spoiler-free post to the anime-specific thread, here. This thread is for discussion of the manga up to current installments and is not recommended for newcomers to the series.


The Espada arc just concluded in the manga, and what with the anime returning to filler material for what looks like being at least ten episodes - and right in the middle of the current story arc - I, like so many others, gave in and caught up with the scanlations to date. I'm glad I did, as some of the stories, characterisation and battles involved are among the best Bleach has ever seen and certainly indicate that Kubo's gift for invention hasn't run dry - though it's worth pondering just how some of the more outré elements may survive adaptation for the anime... the Szayel Aporro Granz storyline from its second act to conclusion is as bizarre, violent and perverse as the series has been to date. The run has also been notable for including something Bleach has always been short on, a selection of truly unpleasant and memorable villains: it's a challenge to explore a character's past in the post-battle-flashback manner Kubo's trademarked without attempting to evoke sympathy for his motivations, but Nnoitra in particular stands out - on the surface an exact mirror for his final opponent, yet revoltingly cruel and chauvinistic, underhand, insecure and finally simply weak, he met the end he longed for without ever achieving anything on his own.

There's been a great deal to enjoy in this run and I'm sure, after blitzing through it this weekend, that its flaws will become evident over time but I just can't resist namechecking some of my favourite moments. Pesshe and Dondochakka's seamless transition from stumblebum comedy relief to heroic protectors, the best underdog characters since Ganju Shiba and Hanataro Yamada - and who didn't cheer when the latter appeared running to keep up with Byakuya? Grimmjow's history - a ton of exposition about Hollow ecology dropped without losing focus on the motivations behind one of the show's best, most vicious antagonists. The sheer lose-your-shit unnervingness of Szayel Aporro and Zommari's released forms. The audacious solution, after endless fan speculation on the subject, to the problem of giving Kenpachi a power-up that doesn't break the rules of his established character. And everything Nel.

Annnd now - after the so-ridiculous-I-don't-know-if-I-can-forgive-it switcheroo reveal preceding the long-anticipated Winter War storyline - we're heading into an unbelievably juicy, fan-pleasing flashback arc that promises finally to answer all our questions about the best I R COYOTE character in modern comics, former Twelfth Division Captain Kisuke Urahara. Psyched?
 
 
Feverfew
16:16 / 01.04.08
Just out of curiosity, where do you get your scanlation from (if, of course, you do and you're not reading it au naturel)?

I understand Bleachportal have a good scanlation service, but I'm afraid I've only made it as far as those that have been officially translated and released in book form, which strands me at volume 22.
 
 
Red Concrete
16:40 / 01.04.08
I think Bleach Portal gets their scans from http://ju-ni.net/, I get mine direct from there.

Thanks for this thread by the way, I may find more opportunity to post here than in the anime thread.
 
 
Seth
00:34 / 03.04.08
Is it even possible to talk about this series in terms of 'arcs' any more? Although the action has broadened in scope from being set entirely in Hueco Mundo, but all the series primary cast is still based there and there's at least one final HM based Espada battle to come (Ichigo vs Ulquiorra), unless you're like me and have noticed Yami's suspicious absence. He has neither been killed, disabled nor seems to be part of Aizen's Karakura Town posse, and he seems too lunkheaded to have not entered into a battle himself yet. As he's almost invariably paired with Ulquiorra in some way I figure he'll crop up during the aforementioned confrontation.

The set–piece fights have been mostly excellent. The manner in which Grimmjow set up the fight with Ichigo, earning him Ulquiorra's enmity, has already seen adaptation into the anime, but the decision to intersperse the battle with a ton of background information on the character and the world was well judged and gave us a nice idea of what was at stake for Jaegerjaques. Byakuya's battle with Zommari was awe-inspiring, with the former's rage always sublimated beneath his cool exterior contrasted against the latter's religious mania. Kuchiki's ruthless decision to take out his own arm and leg just totally ruled. It's a shame that both possession and big brother rescue moments have been overplayed for Rukia in the anime filler, because this would have been much more powerful otherwise.

Totally agree with you on the Mayuri/Szayel fight. While the latter really deserved a nasty comeuppance I winced that it was served on him by a character who is every bit his mad/evil equal and who delivered the death blow not for moral or righteous reasons but because he was disgusted with the Espada's philosophy on science. The fight sank from depravity to depravity with the two of them continually outdoing each other with hideous technique after hideous technique, not to mention the poor and perpetually stuck in crossfire Nemu who was treated appallingly by both parties. Szayel deserved the full nastiness of what befell him, but we're robbed of any satisfaction by the manner in which it happened. Great writing, putting us on the side of a twisted, evil freak if only because the consequences of him losing mean that three of our heroes will die in short order should he fail. The only problem is I can't see how it can be adapted into prime time television.

The only fight I found disappointing was Zaraki Kenpachi vs Nnoitra. On the surface it's a match made in heaven, but in execution it fell a little flat because we learn nothing new about Kenpachi throughout. This is a slight problem I had with the choice of characters sent out into Heuco Mundo… we've seen what they can do already, and there are other, more unfamiliar people who we want to know about at this stage.

Much more to come when I get the chance. All sorts of speculation now that the backstory is starting to be revealed, and there's a lot I intend to write on -108.
 
 
Razor Wind
14:54 / 03.04.08
Just out of curiosity, where do you get your scanlation from (if, of course, you do and you're not reading it au naturel)?

I get the Binktopia releases via Tokyo Toshokan's torrents,or if I can't download,read them on OneManga.

I sort of agree with El Directo on the Kenpachi/Mantis Guy fight,though I was half-hoping he would lose so we could finally see Yachiru fight. He couldn't top that first Big Damn Heroes moment,though it was still a treat to see him in action.
 
 
Seth
12:04 / 04.04.08
317 is up on One Manga. Lots to do today, but there's just enough time to say that Hiyori kicking her new captain in the balls was fucking brilliant...

...along with the unexpected result of said kick...
 
 
Razor Wind
09:53 / 06.04.08
I'd say he'd seen Hiyori kicking the crap out of Shinji a few times before,so he wore a box because that's where she strikes when she's really annoyed.

What was the advice Shinji was trying to give Our Favourite Coyote? Was he saying not to try to be their friend?
 
 
Red Concrete
10:28 / 06.04.08
I think he was saying to not try too hard, do your own thing. I think Hyori is more likely to respect that sort of line, and so Shinji was probably trying to help Urahara gain some favour with her.

Back on page 7 (double-spread), in the background... does that look like a young Byakuya?
 
 
Seth
20:24 / 06.04.08
A friend has told me that apparently it has been confirmed as Byakuya (I can't source that confirmation, however). Just what he will be like before taking on responsibility for his clan - and especially prior to his marriage with Hisana - is impossible to tell, if he even figures at all.
 
 
Seth
13:54 / 10.04.08
OK. I've just reread the manga chapters leading up to -108, as the first translation I read was pretty appalling. I'm fairly sure I've got the story straight in my head now after a lot of misleading stuff in the first version.

First of all, it seems to me that Aizen's plan has more to it than just another reiteration of the divide and conquer strategy that he's used since the beginning. There have been hints that something is wrong with Orihime that isn't immediately apparent. Aizen says that soon she will be of no more use, and while that could mean that she won't serve as a distraction much longer I doubt that's the full import behind the words. He has already abandoned her in Hueco Mundo under the care of Ulquiorra (and possibly Yammi) when he says that, so surely she'd be of no more use right there and then were that the case. Grimmjow hints that there is something wrong inside her, something that can't be easily seen, and I doubt he's talking about psychological damage. GJ doesn't seem much of an analytical type or to be one that would take pleasure in the manipulative damages wrought by Aizen and Ulquiorra.

I'm thinking that he's installed some kind of limiter in her, or at least something to control her power. He's shown her the location of the Hougyoku and we haven't seen that ploy play out yet, so I doubt he'll have taken it with him to the Karakura Town facsimile. I'm thinking that he's deliberately left Hueco Mundo understaffed in order that she attempts to execute what's been her plan all along - the Hougyoku's destruction - but that he has another ace up his sleeve in order to prevent that from happening.

I think what's about to happen in the duplicate Karakura Town will be nothing short of a massacre. We may see some Espada deaths, but simply put Aizen has to win here in order to move the story on to the next level. I think many of the Shinigami will die or be put out of action. Yamamoto will almost certainly be killed, at the very least. The only characters defending the duplicate city that can be said to be fan favourites are Hitsugaya and Matsumoto, and there are zero lower ranking Shinigami in the mix to act as cannon fodder.

But we've been told that the two Karakura Towns have been switched and the occupants put to sleep, and so this gives us extremely interesting speculative material for what happens next. Effectively that puts Urahara back in Soul Society, right? On the outskirts of Rukongai. Can we assume that he's been pardoned (if that part of his backstory were ever fully true in the first place)? That his actions in the Soul Society arc have led him to be redeemed in the eyes of the Gotei 13? That's actually a rather worrying prospect, as there's still the slim possibility that he has been the *bad guy* all along. Either that or it's a very encouraging prospect, as it leaves the confrontation between Aizen and Urahara (which simply has to happen) as one of the final conflicts.

But who else will also have gone through the switch? The Vaizard were all in Karakura Town when last seen. As were the whole Kurosaki family (Isshin! Isshin! Isshin!) and Ryuken Ishida. Plus all our other favourites who don't get enough of a look-in: Keigo, Tatsuki, Mizuiro et al, the Urahara shop staff, and possibly Yoruichi herself (although she at least has no problems moving between worlds). The thought of this lot translated to Soul Society has me very, very happy, as some of them seemed to have been developing powers themselves when we last saw them and this could give them just the kick start they need.

It also places the players who were in the mix over a hundred years ago into the same place for that final battle, unless we're to see another battle with the Imperial Guard/Royal Guard/Division Zero, whatever they're called (first mentioned when Aizen's plan originally came to light). They all have to appear at some point too, we've now been promised that. We know too little about them to speculate adequately at this stage, but I'm betting Strawberry's Dad has at least some involvement with them, although my brother thinks Kurosaki Senior is a former Kenpachi... could he not be both?

Regardless of the bonkers switcheroos on both sides (I saw Aizen's one coming a mile off, at least), this is all aces aces aces right now and making me very excited to be a complete gurning fan.
 
 
Razor Wind
18:39 / 10.04.08
I think many of the Shinigami will die or be put out of action. Yamamoto will almost certainly be killed, at the very least.

This is what I was afraid of and the reason I'd thought Kubo'd outsmarted himself - my subconscious would not accept their inevitable defeat,but believed the story would end here. It's so unfair - we've waited so long for Old Man Genocide to cut loose,and the laws of the story practically demand that he be killed in his final battle,just so the others can say,"If he took him down,what chance do we have?". I hate you,Narrative Causality.
 
 
Seth
16:21 / 11.04.08
I'm not just assuming that Yamamoto will be killed because of his power level. It's also highly likely because he is the battlefield leader of the Gotei 13, the temporary leader of the whole of Soul Society after the massacre of the Council of 46, and also the wise old Obi Wan/Yoda figure. All of these things would seem to point towards his imminent death, and it would make fairly good storytelling sense to kill a character that is crucial to the mechanics and history of the world but not that important to fans.

But then we've been wrong-footed by this series before, and it just really depends which mythological tropes Kubo wants to play with. It hadn't occurred to me before starting this post, but what if Yamamoto isn't Yoda? What if he's King Lear? Destined to live through the fall of what he has created and be forced to watch... which would mean that he is likely to survive until close to the overall end of the story, and which makes it more likely that both Ukitate and Kyōraku will die and he will be powerless to prevent it from happening. That's also a compelling outcome and I would argue more emotionally resonant. We would still get to see Yamamoto being powerless in the face of the enemy, he has never had our sympathy before and both of his oldest serving captains are hella loveable.

As for "If he took him down,what chance do we have?", I'll refer you to comments I made in the Bleach FTVT thread. This is the structure on which hang all the character relationships in Bleach, being as much magnification of a society's obsession with standing and honourifics as it is a map which allows us to intepret how our principal protagonist Ichigo is faring against the principal antagonist Aizen. It's how a vast amount of Shonen anime gains its structure and in the case of this series I don't believe it should be reduced to something as simplistic as The Worf Effect. I'd cite the impact of -108 as essential in the case against this kind of reductionism, a chapter in which our entire understanding of the Gotei 13 is rewritten by placing characters that were arguably second tier into crucial positions of prominence. It's a chapter that wrongfooted a lot of people, and Kubo seems to know this himself when he refers to *ripples* that he is setting up with each progressive revelation. What's important is not that this structure is in place (that's a given in this type of series) but how it is used, and I'd argue that throughout the history of the story we've been treated to some extraordinarily well-executed and unexpected narrative and character shifts that play with the model in very interesting ways.

As for the storytelling mechanics of the coming confrontation in Karakura Town, we can be fairly sure that Soi Fong will not die unless Yoruichi makes her presence felt (while Yoruichi may die alone, Soi Fong almost certainly cannot meet her end without her mentor and possible former lover). Likewise it would seem reasonable to expect that Tousen, Komamura and Hisagi will survive to make it to Soul Society because of what we were promised at the end of the first major arc ("Friend of Tousen's whose name I do not know, what would you have said to him to make him stop?" and the contract with the audience that Tousen will be returning to that grave). Gin, Matsumoto and Hitsugaya's relationships are unlikely to be resolved without the presence of Momo Hinamori, and if my speculation that Gin's loyalties aren't what they appear to be is true then it would seem likely that Kubo will leave the resolution of his arc until later in the story. So that pretty much leaves him with Ukitate, Kyōraku and Yamamoto to play with, as well as their respective Lieutenants.

As for issue -106... my speculation is that Kubo is not just counting down the years with these issues. I really think that there will be one hundred and eight issues counting down to the first, and that these will not be told in just one block but interspersed throughout the run. He is already pacing the story in such a manner that the two months of backstory that he has promised will not tell the complete story of the events leading up to the present.

There's a lot that's interesting about this latest issue, -106. Urahara is trying to reach Hiyori, to subvert her understanding of him as just a flakey weirdo with a bunch of mad scientist gear. He's found a particularly manipulative way of doing it, too: by pulling the rug out from beneath her entire understanding of Soul Society and how it operates he is simultaneously creating not only a new frame for her comprehension of him and their relationship, but also herself as she fits into the context of a society about which she knows substantially less than she thinks she does. He's turned the tables on her. She is now the fish out of water, and he is the one who knows the environment and the rules.

Very interesting career he's held, eh? Essentially he started off as The Prisoner's Number 2, instituted the role of the Twelfth as Tech Division, created a bunch of taboo devices and meddled in with the building blocks of life itself, before going into exile in order to become some kind of Merlin/Gandalf agent provocateur.

Because that's clearly what we have here: The Prisoner. Once you're a Shinigami you cannot leave. We saw a prefiguring of this in the judgement on Rukia when she went AWOL. Simply put, you allow yourself to enter a system in which you become too powerful and know too much to ever be allowed to leave. This revelation may not be rock bottom for a society that we are being taught to distrust even more than Hueco Mundo, but it's certainly a good pointer towards the sickness beneath such a militaristic outlook. If Urahara is to be taken at his word he's a reformer, one who would like to take a principled stand against such an institution. But when have we ever felt fully comfortable believing a word he's said? The notion of Urahara as humanitarian in the context of everything else we know about him is a pretty incongruous. This is a man who does not share information and who prefers manipulation to seeking consent.

Hands up who thought it would be Isshin in the cell?
 
 
Razor Wind
19:22 / 14.04.08
Hands up who thought it would be Isshin in the cell?

Not me. But the occupant was obvious in hindsight — there really wasn't anyone else who'd be dangerous enough. I put it to you that the Maggot's Nest is Arkam Asylum and Mayuri is the Joker with a biology PhD.
 
 
Seth
16:21 / 15.04.08
I guess it depends how you see the Maggots Nest. When Urahara told Hiyori that the Shinigami interred there hadn't done anything wrong I perhaps wrongly assumed that it would be a place very much akin to The Village, in which the inmates were imprisoned due to ideological differences and perceived thought crime, the most common of which seemed to be choosing to leave Seireitei. As a captain level bad-ass it seemed possible that Isshin might be confined to solitary, and he could conceivably fit the bill of someone who had chosen to leave given what we know of his current whereabouts in the present storyline.

But no, having Urahara as the one to free Mayuri has raised all sorts of lovely questions. I guess I was just itching for more information on Kurosaki senior, one of my favourite characters not just in Bleach but in any medium.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:39 / 15.04.08
I'm guessing that if the plan is to intersperse this 'Chapter -***' material with present-day stories for the remainder of the run, or however long, the Isshin stuff is going to be kept for much later. Just because the truth about his past and his relationship with the other major players is so crucial to the mythos of Bleach that it can stand some more deferring and buildup.

As an aside, I'm really enjoying the way Urahara is subtly cultivating his extremely uncooperative new lieutenant - she doesn't trust him because he's a slippery desk-jockey with his head in the clouds, and what does he do? Save her from being smushed by a colossal freak using one fucking hand. No h4x required. I love it.
 
 
Triplets
21:54 / 16.04.08
I suppose the thing is that Soul Society, corrupt feudal society though it is, did see fit, at some point, to lock Mayuri up. Which is good. We don't know what for yet, and one hopes it's for being an evil fuck, but still... It argues for a Soul Society that may not be entirely blind, at least 100 years ago.

The questions are then a) what could Urahara want that would trump keeping Mayuri locked up, and b) what would make Soul Society pardon Mayuri after the fact?

My speculation is

a) Hollowification research
b) Hideous understaffing (after the abscondment of the Vaizard)
 
 
Seth
19:46 / 17.04.08
I hope that everyone feels as though this thread is their one lifeline right now.
 
 
Triplets
19:59 / 17.04.08
Aye.

Honestly, I just sneaked a peak at -106 because I was bored and haven't read any more of it. However, considering we have yonksworth of filler to watch now (which might be good, if it's the elseworldish tale I suspect it to be), can anyone tell me where I should start reading the manga if I've just watched the final Ichigo/Grimmow fight in the anime? Where do the two link up?
 
 
Red Concrete
22:26 / 17.04.08
Transfer posted that shot from issue 286 in the other thread - I presume that's the spot to take it up.

This thread is now my Bleach lifeline, rather than the other yes. It was the Bound filler that sent me to the manga, and I've stuck with it ever since.


About Mayuri, I think the upcoming story will have to give me a pretty good reason why he is a current captain. His attitude to the ongoings in Soul Society since that first SS arc imply that he doesn't give much of a shit about Shinigami affairs, so my thought is that he is being forced / blackmailed / compelled in some way to doing his current job as Research Head (and probably the captain rank simply goes along with that). I'm not sure how that works in terms of the the known paths of achieving captaincy.
 
 
Razor Wind
01:05 / 19.04.08
-105 (319) is up.
Now I know how to get a dangerous psychotic to work for you. Offer him a position in a new research division,then sweeten the deal by reminding him that everything would become his if his former jailer died. I'd really like to know what Urahara's thinking apart from,"I want this one!".

Byakuya is a hot-headed young boy? He's got some growing-up to do.

And just to drive the point home,Gin is handed his very own Rape the Dog moment. You can almost hear the author say "try and explain this incident away,fangirls.".
 
 
Seth
18:22 / 21.04.08
Explain what incident, exactly? A shinigami standing over the bloody and defeated body of a seated officer of supposedly higher rank, with no indication about whether the latter shinigami is dead or alive? Haven't we seen that scene - or similar - countless times throughout the history of Bleach, just with rather more build up so that you know the apparent background to the conflict and who to root for?

It's easy to make assumptions about the events that led up to that outcome, especially in the context of the Ichimaru Gin that Kubo has rather conspicuously been at pains to construct for us. His smile and perpetually closed eyes can be read one of two ways, either as evidence of his amoral, vicious, and contemptuous nature, always in it for kicks... or as an implacable mask hiding his true self, the ultimate poker face. Tite Kubo loves to mislead and his characters are rarely as they appear. Certainly until we have more background information we cannot trust a word that comes from the mouths of the supposedly villainous trinity of Aizen, Tousen and Gin.

This scene tells us next to nothing about Ichimaru. He could have playfully toyed with the Third Seat, provoking him to attack before defeating and murdering him. He could equally have been challenged by the Third Seat, who could have been unable to accept that Gin was promoted so highly upon graduation and in his pride been keen to teach a lesson to someone he believed was a snot-nosed upstart who hadn't paid his dues. Both are possibilities, but we assume the one because of what we think we know. It's a great scene because it seems to be a confirmation of what we are supposed to believe while telling us precisely nothing.

What's much more interesting and potentially overlooked is the conversation between Kaien and Ukitate that precedes it. Gin is described as a child prodigy, graduating in the space of a year and instantly being installed as a seated officer. There's another character that fits that description: Toshiro Hitsugaya. In fact when they faced off against each other in the Soul Society arc Gin mocks Hitsugaya with exactly these words, calling him the kind of child prodigy that only comes around once every few generations. Now that we know that Aizen's apparent right hand man was once described in the same way that taunt is seen in a very different light, one that suggests a note of rivalry or even jealousy... especially considering that Gin's childhood friend is Hitsugaya's Lieutenant. It also casts an ambiguous shadow across Matsumoto's relationship with her captain. Does he remind her of her old friend? Is she seeking to protect her superior officer, trying to make sure that he doesn't turn out like Gin? Does she only seem to be devoted to him because she has sought out a replacement for someone she loves but cannot have? Is she trying to correct a mistake she once made, a regret from the older relationship? We had assumed that Hitsugaya and Gin were fighting over what was being done to Hinamori, but what if there was more to it than just Hitsugaya's grudge? What if Ichimaru was enacting a form of revenge because he believed that Toshiro had stolen Matsumoto from him in some way? There's a huge amount of interesting food for thought in that revelation.

Totally agreed with you on the stunningly well executed conversation between Mayuri and Urahara. Letting a dangerous lunatic free and positively encouraging them to attempt to assassinate you as a means of controlling them... that's a manipulation worthy of Death Note. Poor Hiyori to be caught in that kind of crossfire. What must she think of her new captain now?

Young Byakuya = PERFECT. Exactly what I wanted him to be like.
 
 
Seth
18:38 / 21.04.08
I guess Urahara's manipulation was twofold. On the surface it's about getting Mayuri to do what he wants, but remember that he's invited Hiyori along to get under her skin too. In -106 he undermined her perception of his seemingly daffy personality, proved that she was wrong about what she believed to be his lack of power and shook her understanding of the nature of Soul Society. Now he's pulled the rug out from under her faith in her own job security. What a clever, clever bastard he is...
 
 
Seth
18:58 / 21.04.08
One more thing... having Mayuri be the one that describes Urahara as *diabolical* has has a similar-ish feel to when Loly called Orihime a *monster.* It's the same writing technique employed for two very different results: what must it take for x character to describe y character as _____?

-105 is an extraordinary issue. It comes across so effortlessly concise, so spacious and yet so packed with information, seeming to answer some questions while raising so many others, at once easy to read but filled with note-perfect characterisation and overflowing with teasing glimpses of the inner workings of relationships between key players.

I was previously merely in awe of Tite Kubo. Now I think he's a genius.
 
 
Seth
19:07 / 21.04.08
Text message from Ma'at: On a pervier note, interesting how much Yoruichi really likes teasing adolescent boys. Can't say I can fault her taste though.

Four posts on one issue...
 
 
Seth
19:13 / 21.04.08
... and I haven't even mentioned how Kaien's stated reasons for his refusal of the promotion offered by Ukitate made me love him even more.
 
 
Seth
21:06 / 21.04.08
One more before bed. In this chapter Kaien is also described as a prodigy... sadly we don't know his age. But Gin's arrival on the scene is just over a hundred years prior to the start of issue one, Hitsugaya turns up fiftyish years prior, and of course Ichigo becomes superpowered as of issue 1 (year zero), and he seems to remind everyone of Kaien. Speculating that Kaien has been around for fifty years prior to -108 would fit this particular ludicrous Bleach theory... it's probably going several steps too far into over-interpreting the story, but it's fun nonetheless.
 
 
Seth
09:04 / 25.04.08
-104 is up.

The three unknown characters in silhouette carrying out experiments on people in Rukongai seem deliberately parallelled against the highest ranking in the 12th Squad: Mayuri, Hiyori and Urahara. Scanning the pages for clues, the shortest of the three in silhouette doesn't have bunches in their hair, and while we already know Mayuri is the type to experiment on the living Urahara almost certainly isn't, and Hiyori wouldn't stand for it either. We're either supposed to think it's them, or the bases have been loaded for Soul Society to think it's them... but I really doubt it is them.

And the ten Shinigami shihakusho found near the scene of the Hollow attack almost without a doubt belong to the advance party sent out by Kensei's 9th, which is why he was so committed to going to investigate. I'm wondering whether the Hollow was dispatched by whoever was doing the experiments as an attempt to cover their tracks, to make it appear as though it took out the advance guard.

From a meta-squee point of view the scene between the child-Hisagi and Kensei is a great addition. Kensei's got that bleached punk look to him (he even gets a bunch of piercings later on) and his 9th Squad will at some point be taken over by Tousen, with Hisagi himself becoming Lieutenant and developing a look for himself that riffs off his Captain's predecessor. Ladies and Gentlemen, what we have here is an *imprint moment*, with Shuhei as the ludly widdle duckling. No wonder Matsumoto can't take him seriously, although he seems all cool and individualistic he's actually a hero worshipper and continually looks up to people more than he forges his own path.

Now that we know that Shinji was a Captain and Hiyori a Lieutenant in a different squad it completely changes the dynamic of their relationship when Ichigo et al encounter them in the present day storyline. I had assumed that Hiyori was his superior, if not in terms of leadership then in terms of power. But here the dynamic is the same but the power relationship is clear: Shinji likes being beaten upon and acting the idiot and deliberately leaves himself open to have a scrap and trade verbal abuse with her. She's the one person with whom he has this kind of relationship, and now we know that he positively eggs her on it's become a rather paradoxically intimate public display.

I love the younger Mayuri. That turned away head, that constant distain. It's a good look for him.

This thread has become my own private playground. Thank you Transfer. X
 
 
Red Concrete
10:27 / 25.04.08
This thread has become my own private playground.

That's because you're so goddamn comprehensive! You've covered everything that occurred to me, plus you have a much better insight into the characters. I'd comment on the way that Aizen sidled up to Urahara to nudge him and ask if he's heard the news...

I'd love to know the meaning of those Japanese exclamations floating around people - the bits outside the speech bubbles. I'll check Ju-Ni's translation when it comes out, but I think they get usually get overlooked.
 
 
Seth
13:49 / 25.04.08
I want to know the meaning of those words too. In the latest issue one panel that contains a lot of them is preceded by shot of Urahara's sandled feet, so I'm guessing that all those ones pretty much say "click clack."

Aizen is a lot of fun to watch in these issues, agreed. One possible interpretation of the final scene of -105 (suggested by Ma'at) is that he manipulated the encounter between Gin and the Third Seat to test the newcomer and waited around to see the result. It's a great scene for speculating on exactly who did what and to whom, featuring only three characters and an an apparent outcome.
 
 
Red Concrete
18:09 / 25.04.08
but I'm betting Strawberry's Dad has at least some involvement with them, although my brother thinks Kurosaki Senior is a former Kenpachi... could he not be both?

I've yet another theory. Reading a bit around Isshin's first "outing" it occurred to me that he doesn't necessarily have to be a Shinigami at all. Could he not be a shinigami-ed human, just as his son has now become?

That said, if he was a genuine shinigami, then he'd've to have been living for a long time in a gigai with the ability to reproduce. The one man that could feasibly make a custom gigai with those abilities is Urahara - already known to have been kicked out of Soul Society for making a gigai that masks reiatsu and gradually turns the user into a regular human.
 
 
Seth
22:01 / 25.04.08
I'd wondered that too. I don't think we're ever likely to get the bumping uglies conversation in Bleach (near miss kisses and maybe even an actual kiss are the most we'll see in Bollywood Shonen Land) so the mechanics of fake body sex is something for which we'll probably never get our rightful schooling. But, you know... he might not actually be Strawberry's dad, too.
 
 
Seth
22:02 / 25.04.08
Not to be all self-impressed and everything, but can I get a Barbequote, please?
 
 
Triplets
15:54 / 26.04.08
Where would we start, though, Seth? Where would we start?
 
 
Triplets
16:26 / 26.04.08
he might not actually be Strawberry's dad, too.

Which would make him more awesome, surely. Women love hot single, adoptive fathers.
 
 
Maat
14:57 / 29.04.08
Thought you guys mught enjoy these two bits of meta that have popped up on my flist regarding the manga:

Why Hisagi has 69 tattooed on his cheek

and

Kubo's character covers and what they mean

Greetings all, yes this should be Ma'at but due to my general fuckwittery about the whole password/email account thang, I'm stuck with Maat. I am a squeeing yaoi fangirl who writes slash fanfiction and usually hangs out on Livejournal.

El Directo is entirely responsible for my very belated return to Barbelith. My love for Bleach (and Byakuya Kuchiki in particular) is now so great it can now only be rendered via the medium of interpretive flail.

*flails*

I don't suspect I'll add much to the conversation but I've been enjoying what I've read so far in this thread and the anime thread as well.
 
  

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