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Seth
18:44 / 27.07.08
So, a read through Bleach from the very beginning, in sequence... is actually rather a hell of a lot better than the earlier chapters of the anime. And reveals some very interesting details. Bear in mind I'm only on issue eight or nine, something like that, so there might be a few of these posts to come.

1) There are dinky little single panel sketches between each issue, the first of which solves one of my long standing questions about the story. It takes place immediately after the first fight that Ichigo has, Strawberry is laid out unconscious (for reasons unknown... passed out from too much power too quickly is probably the implication), Rukia is in her white outfit having just had all her power leached out, and there's a single sandaled foot in view as Urahara approaches. That solves my question from a few pages back, then (5. What happened to Ichigo and Rukia in the blank space between issues 1 and 2?): Ichi was just out cold.

2) There's much more emphasis on the pairing of Ichigo and Orihime than in the anime. Inoue herself is very up front about it from early on, indeed Strawberry is another of the reasons for her dead brother's jealousy and she's very easily distracted from Hollow Bro's rampaging by her orange haired crush.

3) The backstory for Orihime and Chad, along with their historical connection to Ichigo, is much stronger than in the anime. Rather than having barely any experience of Ichigo Inoue has known him (and fancied him) for ages. She's also the product of a much nastier upbringing with abusive parents who she fled with her older brother. Chad is introduced as having Ichigo's back from the first issue in which he appears, defending his friend from bullies at school (rather than this side of their relationship being introduced much later as it is in the anime). All in all this creates a much stronger bond between the central characters, mainly through creating a sense that they stick together because adults just cannot be trusted not to abuse you, go workaholic and neglect you, get caught up in weird displacement grief or just plain die on you.

4) Chad's line, "My only saving grace is that I'm tough." I know he says this in the adaptation, or something similar, but in stark black on white it put a lump in my throat. Chad = Colossus.

5) Rukia's line when she discovers that her gigai has no special tricks, "Those lunatics at the development department! They do nothing but pay attention to the unnecessary points!" So true, and the beginning of a theme that will run and run for years. And a neat foreshadowing of exactly what is going on inside her.

6) Last and by far the best is Isshin's furious conversation with the Karakura Town hospital when the car crash that injures Chad stretches their clinic past breaking point, "Tell your manager that this is a 'Request from Kurosaki!' Then tons of beds will open up!" It's a moment of practically unnoticeable foreshadowing that won't be explained until four and a half years later when Ryuken and Isshin are bitterly reunited when their sons go to Hueco Mundo... but by then you'll have long forgotten about such seeming irrelevancies unless you've gone re-read crazy.

Kubo is THE MAN. He'd have to be to have created Kurosaki Isshin so carefully, with such a sparing lightness of touch, from the very beginning.

319... exactly how many simultaneous battles are going on right now? Ichigo vs Ulquiorra, the Nakamakuras fighting an army of Exequias, Ikkaku vs Po, Yumichika vs Charlotte Coolhorn (great name indeed, potential for laughing at the cross-dressing Arrancar... not so great), Hisagi vs Findor, Kira vs Abirama, the Barragan sit-down face off against EVERYONE... it's all going a bit apeshit. I admit that I'm slightly disappointed by the early faceoff between the pillar defenders and Barragan's Fraccion pipping Captain-level ass-kickery to the punch. I was looking forward to Stark, Halibel, Kyoraku, Ukitate and Soi Fong getting moments to shine, but it appears as though the Law of Escalating Threat is in place to delay that orgasm for a while. Hisagi, Yumichika and Kira aren't favourites of mine, being a swotty hopeless hero worshipper, one-note narcissist (OK, two note given his hidden magic Zanpakuto) and doormat respectively (so far I'm only loving Kira in the anime filler). Ikkaku is freakin' awesome but we saw him blow his bankai wad ages ago. What more can we learn about him here?

Of course things may not be so simple in practise. Kubo loves to give his minor players a moment to shine. The initial thought of Ikkaku vs Edorad left me cold until the former pulled out his utterly unexpected finishing move that forced you to reassess much of his role in the Soul Society arc. And Hisagi's presence is made potentially much more interesting by the possible appearance of Kensei Muguruma.

As hinted above, I'm a little dubious of this Charlotte Coolhorn stuff... although the prospect of Yumichika fighting an entire battle with his eyes closed tight in transphobic disgust does have me uttering a teensy snicker despite myself. Maybe I can explain it as the enjoyment of seeing that preening narcissist having his androgyny reflected back at him through a lens that clearly makes him squirm (and many members of the readership, I'm sure). Isn't it funny (not haha) how *acceptable* androgyny is almost invariably virtually fully female in its depiction, with people getting very het up (pun intended) about the more blokish-looking gender bend? If the joke is firmly aimed at Yumichika then I'm very, very up for this fight.
 
 
Maat
16:13 / 29.07.08
Hisagi, Yumichika and Kira aren't favourites of mine, being a swotty hopeless hero worshipper, one-note narcissist (OK, two note given his hidden magic Zanpakuto) and doormat respectively (so far I'm only loving Kira in the anime filler).

Oh you are *so* wrong and at some point I shall tell you exactly why, at length!

In regards to reading through the manga from the start, The Lexx is also doing this and he just pointed out a particular page in an early issue which had me in complete hysterics.

See for yourself: Context is for the weak

*dies*
 
 
Seth
11:27 / 30.07.08
It looks like a dildo!
 
 
Seth
10:40 / 01.08.08
Blimey. The opening chapters of the manga are far stronger on the central relationships between the Nakamakuras, particularly in the first Don Kanonji story in which the focus lingers on all of them (including Keigo, Tatsuki and Mizuiro... much more is made of these three and what they can and can't sense. I'd lump Karin in there too, she's more switched on in the manga) as they each hear the demi-Hollow's scream. Kubo makes a point of having them united at this moment and shows Urahara seeming to be not only scoping out Ichigo but each of his friends. And in the very next chapter Orihime comments on it herself when she muses, "At the time, I still didn't realise it, yet. The events of that night and the lasting image of that time are when all of our destinies completely changed." In shot at this point are Ichigo, Rukia, Orihime, Chad, Keigo, Tatsuki and Mizuiro... so anyone doubting that the remaining three will get their powers at some point is probably going to be rather mistaken.

And you all know that Keigo, when he gets powers, will finally ascend to the throne of GREATEST CHARACTER IN POPULAR FICTION (bar Rukia and Isshin). He's pretty damn close already.

On another note, this scene explicitly seems to reference a sequence from Akira. Visually they're both high angle shots of the entire main cast of teen characters walking towards the camera as though they are about to pass beneath it. In the narrative of both stories the shot occurs immediately after the main teen characters are chewed out by their teacher for getting involved in messily public events. And thematically both sequences are that *last group shot* before everything changes forever. It's a lovely borrowing of a set-up that I'm not sure occurs in Katsuhiro Otomo's comic but is certainly there in the movie.

If anyone hasn't embarked on a read of the manga from the beginning, or hasn't gone for a re-read, it's something I heartily recommend and doing so has now finally completed the process of reversal regarding my opinions on which medium is best for this story. That might be because we're in filler land right now, so we'll see whether my preference stays this way... but right now this story is all about the comic.

"Sparkle, Queen of Roses!" may have just become my favourite Zanpakuto release... and "Beautiful Charlotte Coolhorn's Miracle Sweet Ultra Funky Fantastic Dramatic Romantic Sadistic Erotic Exotic Athletic Guillotine Attack!!!!" is the best name for a special move since Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann's "Who The Fuck Do You Think I Am Kick?!" Does anyone else think that this fight can only end in sex? They're totally made for each other! Right now it's just fucking ace for amping up the one-dimesionality of the characters in its pairing until it hits comedy gold.

Rare conversation between Gin and Tousen, too. I can't recall any prior moment in which these two have exchanged words... that can't be right, can it? Each seems only to speak to Aizen, not to each other.

"I'm just glad he's doing well." Never know how to take that bastard.
 
 
Seth
10:57 / 01.08.08
There isn't nearly enough Keigo Asano love around these parts.









You know I'm right.
 
 
Seth
11:12 / 01.08.08
Crisis! There isn't nearly enough Keigo Asano love on TEH INTERWEBNETS in general!

We must rectify this! Who can tell me how to do screen grabs? Who will join me in FILLING TEH INTERNETS WITH KEIGO?
 
 
Seth
11:16 / 01.08.08
Keigo Asano Fashion Tips!

That's more like it.
 
 
Seth
11:19 / 01.08.08
A Keigo Asano Fansite!

It's called Youthful Exuberance. MORE!
 
 
Maat
11:57 / 01.08.08
320 - Complete fangasm. Kubo just gave us a yaoi couple for Tanabata. I am so happy at the moment I could explode.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
13:05 / 01.08.08
Moar Keigo in the anime will also mean lots more from his VA Katsuyuki Konishi, who, being also the voice of Gurren-Lagann's Kamina, Macross F's Captain Ozma Lee and the Japanese iteration of Optimus Prime, is probably the most epic seiyuu of our generation. I want to stalk him.
 
 
Seth
08:43 / 08.08.08
Uselessly. Keeps. Refreshing. One. Manga.

*cries*
 
 
nanao-chan
14:29 / 08.08.08
I need brain bleach. WTF, Charlotte Coolhorn?!?!!

Yumichika's attack seems ridiculously powerful. Are the rest of the four pillars fights going to be this ridiculous?
 
 
Seth
15:50 / 08.08.08
Let's hope so!

321: There's potentially quite a lot of interesting food for thought in this chapter despite it being presented as a straightforward comedy battle with an all-too-convenient twist ending (assuming that Coolhorn is beaten at this point).

First of all it seems as though Yumichika is on exactly the same page as Ikkaku: they'd both rather die than show their allies their true power. In this case Yumichika doesn't even hint at his fully released shikai until he knows there are no witnesses. Hisagi probably wouldn't have killed him but Coolhorn certainly would. It's also lovely to have the sight of his fully released Zanpakuto saved until this moment, as previously we only witnessed the aftermath. It's actually pretty horrendous when you see it in the flesh.

Secondly… Yumichika is on exactly the same page as Ikkaku: they'd both rather die than show their allies their true power. That works both ways, and having pulled off such a convenient trick to remove all witnesses from Yumichika's battle the implication is that Ikkaku is in rather a lot of trouble. Kubo is extremely unlikely to pull off such an easy way out twice in quick succession, so Madarame is almost certainly going to have to beat his opponent at shikai. We know from his fights with Ichigo and Luppi that he won't blow his own cover, even at the cost of his own life or that of his friends. Yumichika's relatively easy victory has left Ikkaku in a much more difficult position in the sense of telling a satisfying story. You can give the audience an easy way out once and it's relatively excusable. Doing it twice, on an almost identical character point, in almost identical circumstances, with such close proximity in time, is inexcusable.

Thirdly, what the opponents of the four pillar guardians have in common is that they're all Barragan's Fraccion. That throws every fight outcome into doubt, because Kubo has already established a precedent for Fraccion being altered through weird science to suit their commanding Espada's whim (for an example, see what Szayel did to his Fraccion). Barragan, for all his arrogance, actually seems like a canny tactician, and in his seated position has rather assumed himself into the look and role of battlefield general. What do generals do? They sacrifice their troops for a greater victory. I wouldn't be surprised to see Yumichika, Ikkaku, Kira and Hisagi win their respective fights only for their Fraccion opponents to be used as suicide bombs to blow the pillars anyway. That distinct possibility leaves Yumichika's seemingly convenient victory seeming very hollow, and would certainly be the kind of trick that Kubo would pull on the reader.

That line of thought makes me wonder exactly what will happen if the pillars are destroyed. Omaeda has hinted that this is exactly what Yamamoto doesn't want to happen, but remember we're not just dealing with Yamamoto's strategy: this particular weird science trick belongs to Urahara. Omaeda is being portrayed as a stooge in order heighten audience anticipation, we can be fairly sure that anything he says is the reverse of what is going to happen. There is precedent in the story for protective fields to extend above and below their targets (the virtually impregnable walls of Seireitei, for example), so all the combatants may be switched to Soul Society along with the fake Karakura Town should the pillars get destroyed. We can safely bet that Ichigo will be returning to Karakura Town when he escapes Hueco Mundo, so that leaves the more satisfying outcome of the town's residents defending their actual home rather than the Soul Society forces. Which rather assumes that the Gotei 13 is going to lose the fight, but I think we all thought that anyway. At least if they're switched back to Rukongai their supply line is shorter (more of them may survive) and they have a chance of pulling the same dimension sealing entrapment technique on Aizen that he used on the Nakamakura Invasors. So ultimately we're back to the old speculation regarding exactly who has ended up where in this dimension swapping game, what with all the Karakura left-behinds, Kurosaki and Ishida families, the Urahara Store Gang (including Yoruichi) and the Vaizard being unaccounted for.

If this is indeed the end of Charlotte Coolhorn's little story… are any of us the wiser as to where Kubo stands on the cross-dressing/possible trans front? I'm leaning towards him going for the cheap and nasty laugh, myself. Yumichika certainly got his in this issue. Chalk yet another one up for the typical male oriented hetrocentric androgyny preferences?
 
 
Seth
10:31 / 09.08.08
One thing I missed on the first run through... Ikkaku has already released but Po hasn't. That can't bode well (see my reasoning above). It's also an indicator that these fights won't take up many chapters when moments like that happen "off-screen."
 
 
Seth
13:47 / 11.08.08
The Bleach chronological read through continues apace. Just finished #126 on my last night shift. Once the Soul Society Arc commences there are fewer changes from the comic to the cartoon, but there are still some alterations or changes in emphases that are worth mentioning.

Firstly, Shiba Kukaku. As mentioned ages back in this thread she is without her right arm, which is severed at a point just above the elbow. I'm certain that we have more backstory to come with this character and where the Shiba Clan fit in to the story. I've noticed some people downplay the significance of the Clans in Bleach, but as I've written about upthread I'm starting to notice a hefty subtext that places the Shihouin Clan as of central influence in a manner that has barely been touched upon. Yoruichi and Urahara have history with Kukaku and Kaien has gained increasing posthumous narrative weight. He always had a lot, despite barely appearing... I'm convinced that his resemblance to the central character is more than just coincidence.

Secondly, and again on the subject of Yoruichi. Just a little touch, but having read Byakuya's battle with Zommari Leroux her rescuing of Ichigo during the bridge face-off fits nicely in context. Kuchiki refers to "The techniques that woman taught me" when he creates the illusion that Zommari's high-speed clones have killed him, and here we see Yoruichi use the technique herself, in a much more graphic manner than the anime. Byakuya seemingly severs her left forearm and cuts deep into her torso but a second later she appears unscathed, perched on his still outstretched sword arm. What with the near desperation to improve shown in the Turn Back the Pendulum Arc's training sequence, his amazing array of battle magic and facility with Senbonzakura, his competitive streak in his desire to outpace the former Captain of the 2nd Division and his incantationless deployment of the forbidden Bakdou #81... it rather makes you think of Captain Kuchiki as some kind of ability scavenger, some kind of extended technique, almost free-jazz style genius. And given Kubo's usual motormouth tendencies when it comes to weird fighting forms it's curious that the trick she pulls is never fully explained, even when Byakuya himself uses it much, much later.

Ah, the much, much later effect. Here it's illustrated in Ishida's battle with Mayuri and the fact that the first bankai we are shown comes one hundred and twenty-five issues into the series, a full two and a half years before we see the full extent of the insane displays of power for which Bleach has become famous. Kubo plays with narrative restraint in a rather bizarre manner that's unique to this long-form storytelling, convincing you time and again that all his cards are on the table and that he's holding nothing in reserve and then surprising you with what he's omitted, or done his level best to ensure that you've forgotten. Part of the fun is trying to guess where he'll pull the the Joker from next.

This battle is actually much, much nastier in the original comic. When Mayuri shoots out his Inspector Gadget arm to prevent MakiMaki's escape with Orihime it's actually one of the more horrific moments of the fight. In the anime it's bloodless, clean and efficient, like technology should be. In the manga it's much more in keeping with the idiosyncratic weird science of the rest of the story, graphic in its body horror as the bones are the only thing that hyper-entend, leaving parts of Mayuri's savaged arm hanging from them in bloody clumps of torn meat, as though they'd been skewered on some sort of mad scientist kebab. The Kurotsuchi vs Ishida fight was always one of the most Our Hero Really Must Defeat This Twisted Evil Shit battles in the entire run, slamming home the point that No, This Man Really Is A Total James Blunt so frequently and with such cruelty that you almost reach Bastard Fatigue, and was notable in finally elevating the typically unsympathetic Ishida to the status of real heroism for the first time since he saved Ichigo from power-playing himself to death. This is amped up even further in the comic, with a tiny three page Last Man Fall dedicated to one of the 12th Division rookies that Mayuri Kurotsuchi murders when he sends his own men as unwitting living bombs against Ishida and Orihime. A nice touch and sadly absent in the anime, probably for reasons of pacing.

Is anyone else doing this read-through thing at the moment?
 
 
Seth
14:23 / 11.08.08
A couple of other moments that I'd forgotten than play out rather differently in the comic...

Gin actually gets one of the nasty-bastard moments that he's been lacking in the anime from almost his first appearance. When he challenges the Nakamakuras at the gate he severs Jidanbou's arm, which is a lot worse than the graze he gives him in the cartoon. There are a lot of other moments in which the violence is turned down in the adaptation process, but this one serves to give a rather ambiguous character a moment of proper cruelty that edges him just slightly more in the direction of traditional villain.

Another sequence that was cut altogether for the cartoon: the 12th Division's rather horribly icky acquisition of Rukia's Urahara-designed gigai. They are clearly intending to have their way with the inert body and only stop when one of them realises that there is something very wrong with it, a piece of foreshadowing that the anime just about delivers but not nearly so effectively.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
21:42 / 14.08.08
[It] rather makes you think of Captain Kuchiki as some kind of ability scavenger, some kind of extended technique, almost free-jazz style genius.

Byakuya.... I may have mentioned before the way I see the Rescue arc setting up Ichigo and Byakuya as polar opposites - one crude, chaotic, mongrel-like in his selection of abilities and basically dumb as a box of rocks, the other refined, controlled, calculating and the apotheosis of finely honed technique - making their eventual confrontation not only inevitable from a narrative point of view but fully emblematic of the way Team Karakura's presence upsets the applecart of Seireitei's polite and unquestioned hierarchy. Up until the reveal that Byakuya isn't the series villain and never was, that makes perfect sense, and in a way continues to do so afterward with Rukia shuttling between duty and friendship, obedience and rebellion, as represented by the two most important men in her life.

Now with the Zommari fight and the TBTP material - and the tacit approval of Renji and Rukia's disobedience, that the anime filler has used quite nicely of late - we're seeing all these different sides to Byakuya, and El Directo's comment about his selection of techniques made me rethink my position. The difference between Byakuya and Ichigo's approach to fighting isn't that one's orderly and the other disorderly: Ichigo had his cobbled-together powers forced on him over time and through the haphazard, highly compressed training system Urahara and Yoruichi put him through, whereas Byakuya, it seems, deliberately set out to acquire as many varied abilities as he could. (There's even that delicious theory, inspired by his head-dress and his ambiguous reaction to Ichigo berserking out that first time, that he's picked up some Hollow-ish traits along the way, though that could be too cute to really work.) Maybe it started with the same impulse that led Aizen where he went, maybe he even knows something of what's ahead beyond Aizen (the King's Key and Division Zero) and has been preparing to deal with whatever-it-is for decades... it seems likely that someone at the toppermost of Soul Society's nobility would have access to quite a bit of the G13's dirty laundry and be far-sighted enough to want to be over-levelled beyond any potential opponent. (Just like Yoruichi, funnily enough.) I have a feeling he's going to become even more pivotal as the series wears on.

Sidenote: I just acquired volumes 1-21 of the manga in a sweet eBay deal, and as this is, shamefully, the first time I have ever *choke* bought any Bleach media I should be following on in the Big Reread for the First Time in due course. No Colourful Omake sadly....
 
 
Seth
22:42 / 17.08.08
I have a feeling he's going to become even more pivotal as the series wears on.

Maybe Kuchiki Byakuya has always had his sights set on promotion to Division Zero, to leave the life of a noble behind him...
 
 
hachiman
09:48 / 18.08.08
No Bleach OR naruto this week.

I has the sad
 
 
Seth
13:33 / 22.08.08
It makes me angry to read so much online hate for Charlotte Coolhorn, because I think he's rather brilliant. The grace he shows in defeat in 322 gives him a greater nobility than many of the Espada, several of whom were twisted, bitter and extremely arrogant. By contrast Coolhorn is as good as his word (the winner gets to be both the most beautiful and the most powerful) and he seems to be rather in love with Yumichika... their private moment in the thorns seems to have created quite an intimate connection between the two of them. In Coolhorn's terms, only he has been privilidged with seeing Yumichika's true beauty. It makes me want him to stick around, for him to become the first Shinigami's Fraccion, to defect to being the fifth seat's very unwanted sidekick. If the poor sod makes it that far, that is... I still have a sneaking suspicion that these Arrancar are being made sympathetic because Barragan's going to sacrifice them anyway to blow the pillars.

Findor is also rather good fun and is a clear demonstration of the Arrancar as reverse Vaizards. The former gain power as they lose their masks, the latter as they have their mask more available to them. There's still no really clear reason why Kubo has paired him against Hisagi, unlike Kira vs Aguila. What we have there seems to be a Wolverine vs Harry Leland moment, and it effectively nullifies any advantage Kira could have gained by using his shikai. If your power is to increase mass and you're being attacked from above then the last defense you want to reach for is the same one that the Hellfire Club's Black Bishop used against Logan (as an aside, Bleach so often seems similar to Chris Claremont's original run on the X-Men that I often wonder whether Kubo is a fan).

I've recently read criticism online for the manner in which Kubo is handling the story at this stage in the game. One person in particular wanted a lot more plot, described the whole Hueco Mundo arc up to now as a set of "random encounters" and accused Kubo of stalling for time having run out of ideas for where to go next. I'd take issue with that analysis, it strikes me as the assessment of a person who read or watched the whole of the Soul Society arc over a very short space of time and is now having to read week-in, week-out. The plot of the earlier arc didn't come together until its closing chapters, nearly a hundred and eighty issues (three and a half years) into the story, and those revelations had a retrograde effect on everything you'd learned up to that point, making you mentally insert the larger hidden narrative back into the issues/episodes before the reveal. I would say, what with the number of unanswered questions and narrative promises accumulated since, that we'll probably get similar far reaching reveals that make us tie this storyline together... but if the timeframe of this arc matches that of the first we'll probably have around nine months to a year (forty issues or so) before we get to that stage. The pacing hasn't changed from the earlier story at all, and a few of us in this thread have pieced together what seems to be a lot of the subtext of the current storyline into a wider arc just as compelling as the first in a manner that barely contains any fanwanking. The pacing is also deceptive. We're talking around forty five issues a year, which gives us probably around three times as many pages as American comics. A single issue of one is not equal to a single issue of another.

At this point Kubo has so many balls up in the air that I think many of us are wondering whether he can remember all of them. He's schooled us well now in terms of which ones to pay attention to, but chances are he's still managed to slip a lot of foreshadowing under our radar. The little signposts I'm paying attention to right now are the giant eye or mouth in Hueco Mundo when Aizen was taken up; the two hanging figures that Renji and Ishida seemed to recognise in Szayels sample store; Orihime's promise to reject the Hougyoku out of existence (remember, it was fully active a hundred years ago, the only reason it isn't now is that Urahara sealed it. Maybe it's easier and quicker for Aizen to get Inoue to unwittingly reject it to its earlier fully released state and then neutralise her before she can obliterate it altogether than it is for him to wait for it to become fully active); Grimmjow's hint that something is wrong with Orihime; the reason Ichigo can now fight as a full power Vaizard (I'm betting it has something to do with the injuries Ulquiorra inflicted... was he under orders?); and why there is a mockery of Soul Society's sky in Las Noches. There are probably others I can't recall, but it's worth periodically reminding yourselves of all the unanswered titbits so you can act all clever-clever later on.
 
 
Red Concrete
19:34 / 22.08.08
At this point Kubo has so many balls up in the air that I think many of us are wondering whether he can remember all of them.

To your list I would quickly add Gin's smirking unpredictability, before I run off to get a little *more* inebbriated. I can't resist that guy's smile....

I'm also really thrown into doubt about the Vaizard's alliances, given that very last line we heard from them. Also it's not clear where they are right at this moment.. real Kurokara? fake one? That will have a huge impact, dependent on the outcome of the current 4 pillar battles.

Seth, I think you over-analyse, but by gum it's fun to read!
 
 
nanao-chan
00:53 / 23.08.08
Speaking of Gin, while we thought he was being slowly barbecued behind Yama's wall of fire, he's actually been moonlighting! (awww, he loves kitties!)
 
 
Seth
02:27 / 23.08.08
To your list I would quickly add Gin's smirking unpredictability, before I run off to get a little *more* inebbriated. I can't resist that guy's smile....

You're right, the main example of which was his manipulation of the corridors (but we can only speculate as to what end).

As for over-analysing... I think the series fully warrants virtually all the analysis that various people have done in this thread, in fact I've been restraining myself from writing a lot more about the overall themes and ideas of the series because I just don't have the time right now. But I'm convinced that this is a big work, not just in terms of number of issues, so I'll do my best to treat it as such. There are a couple of bits to which I'll cop to being fanwanky (my Fifty Year Genius Cycle semi-theory a few pages back), but I think I owned to that at the time.
 
 
Razor Wind
14:53 / 29.08.08
323 is up.

No spoilers,but... who knew Kira and 3rd Squad were so gloomy? And badass to boot?
 
 
Seth
13:05 / 30.08.08
Kira's coming across as a mini-Byakuya here, isn't he? Kidou strikes, cunning tactics, the grim determination. What's absent is the haughty pride (he's not afraid to look weak by running to give himself time to think), and he's probably considerably more downbeat and battle-cynical than Captain Kuchiki. But the implication that his zanpakuto is an executioner's sword, forcing a humiliating mock contrition before the moment of decapitation... it's rather chilling and a very interesting addition to someone who is becoming a favourite character of mine. Kira Izuru has often appeared weak, and here Kubo plays with our expectations by having him use that apparent vulnerability to make his enemy fatally overextend themselves.
 
 
hachiman
16:54 / 30.08.08
I'm beginning to think it's all too easy for the good guys at this point, our lieutenants are getting all their own way at this point, i'm waiting for the reversal, and hoping that not too many of these wonderful bit players i've grown attached to buy it when the doo-doo hits the fan.

A lot of people into manga and anime despise Bleach and Naruto with the attitude that because it's popular, it cant be good. I'm happy say that the past several issues has laid to rest any lingering doubts i had about the series.

Its Shonen sure, with all that entails, but its GREAT Shonen.
 
 
Razor Wind
11:39 / 31.08.08
I'm beginning to think it's all too easy for the good guys at this point, our lieutenants are getting all their own way at this point, I'm waiting for the reversal, and hoping that not too many of these wonderful bit players I've grown attached to buy it when the doo-doo hits the fan.

These are Fraccion,the smaller sticks. They'll die when they get hit with the bigger sticks. First rule of shounen.
 
 
Red Concrete
22:42 / 01.09.08
I've a question about translation, it would be nice if any of you speak/read japanese!

As an example - in chapter 323 just now, page 8 we have a technique from Eagle-head translated as "Devorar Pluma". A footnote says "Spanish for Devouring feathers [which seems about right] Japanese means 'Joint Cannon of Starving Wings'".

My question is - if the kanji translates as 'Joint Cannon...', then where did the Spanish version come from? Is it a translators invention? My fist thought was that the japanese phonetically sounds like the spanish that is footnoted. Can anyone clarify?
 
 
Seth
08:28 / 02.09.08
Best suited person for answering that is Iggy, I'll see if I can get him to swing by the thread. I'd wondered that too.
 
 
Seth
09:43 / 02.09.08
Further thoughts from the chronological read through. I'm now nearing the end of the Soul Society arc, Byakuya has just backed out of the fight and named Ichigo the winner and Hitsugaya and Matsumoto have just found the murdered Central Office of 46.

- Gin does not taunt Hitsugaya by calling him a child prodigy in the manga. While it's clear that that's exactly what he is I doubt I would have realised any of the subtext in the relationship between Gin and Hitsugaya had not the former openly used those lines to rile his opponent.

- I love the moment in which Byakuya asks Rukia to which seat she's been assigned in Ukitate's 13th. I'd noticed it before in the anime but was reminded during this read-through. Upon first read it seems further evidence that Captain Kuchiki is a cold hearted bastard, seems as though he is undermining Rukia's acceptance into the squad and making out as though she has failed him. Much later Chappy reveals that Byakuya requested she be denied a seat, and so this sequence is seen from a completely different perspective. He's checking that Ukitate (or whoever assigns the seats) has done what he asked.

- Pages 14 and 15 of issue 134 are little masterworks. It's much, much clearer that Rukia was in love with Kaien. On page 14 She's observing him from a distance, she is shown in isolation while the panel picks out his facial expressions, with one final shot of the sky with "Kaien-dono had a wife" small and quiet in the centre of the frame. A really interesting effect is achieved on page 15, something really subtle that I don't think made it into the anime nearly so well. Rukia is observing Kaien and his wife and she is talking up how much she admired her, treated her like an idol. The subtext is saying something completely different, however. Rukia refuses to name Kaien's wife, her eyes are left out of the frame (she cannot look her in the eye) and the same panel is shown twice at the top and botton of the page, a detail that Rukia as the observer has picked out to focus upon. That detail is Kaien's wife's neck, revealing that at least a part of Rukia wants her dead.

It was very wise to leave that in the subtext. It makes sense that Rukia has conflicting feelings about her. It's very human for those thoughts to stray across a person's mind when there's someone you want to be with. That's a hard thing to explain to people who have never admitted to themselves that they've had those thoughts, and it's vital that Rukia doesn't lose the audience' sympathy at this point. But it's absolutely key for fully understanding what comes next.

Rukia was desperately unlucky in that her half-wish was granted. She did die. Horribly. And her death paved the way for Kaien to die. The primary reason that Rukia cannot forgive herself has nothing to do with the ones she overtly states later... she hates herself because this is what she wanted. As ever she's being too hard on herself. It's not really what she wanted, it's what a part of her thought it wanted, a way of being with Kaien that wouldn't get her hands dirty. But it feels like a punishment because her hands become very, very dirty, and even though her stray thought hasn't killed them to her it feels as though it has.

- An interesting and unexpected addition for the anime is that Kaien's wife does not kill her colleagues in the 13th, or that it is not stated that she does.

- I love how clear it's made that everyone loves Kaien to bits. Ukitate's face as he's watching the battle, explaining to Rukia how they cannot interfere, his clenched jaw and the tension in his eyes, the inclined head... he wants to join his Lieutenant more than anything, and it's taking all the self restraint he has to hold himself back.
 
 
Seth
10:10 / 02.09.08
More thoughts:

- Ganju's line, "Bothering other people is what the Shibas do best." Great one-liner characterisation, he's absolutely right.

- Tousen's bankai and his use of that bankai are what betray his true nature long before the reveal that he's Aizen's subordinate. In Lunar Anime's fansub of the Kenpachi fight from the cartoon the characters in the rings that support Suzumushi's Enma Kōrogi are translated in terms such as "Kill," "Crush" and "Destroy," in other words not the thoughts of a servant of justice. And while his self-serving dialogue paints him as justice personified what he actually wants is for Kenpachi to be panic stricken, and the way he goes about fighting is with a horrific sadism. He wants to torture and taunt the Captain of the 11th in that sightless, senseless world. He wants to take Kenpachi apart piece by piece, not "dispense justice." It's only when Zaraki nullifies his advantage that he realises that he has to kill his opponent quickly. Further grist to the mill that Kenpachi wins every battle psychologically, usually sometime at the outset, and that you cannot fight him if you are even slightly conflicted or lying to yourself. Ichigo only just managed a draw through finding the one weakness in his internal congruence, a weakness spoon fed to him by Zangetsu.

- Yumichika's barely glimpsed shikai release perfectly matches what we've only just seen seen in fullness: his blade transformed to budding vines. The actual appearance and operation of the shikai weren't decided a long time after the fact, they were there from first appearance.

- So far there has been no mention that Unohana was the one to save Renji's life after his battle with Byakuya, whereas Hanatoro references it in the anime. I think this comes later, when Aizen is confronted by Unohana at the living quarters of the Central Office of 46 and her secret role is revealed.

- I love Rukia's misinterpretation of Byakuya turning his head away as her execution is about to begin. He simply cannot look her in the eye, but yet again it seems evidence of his cold, cruel facade that everyone mistakes for his true nature (besides Yoruichi and Ukitate, who have known him for a lot longer).

- Did I mention that I love Ukitate and Kyoraku? Their concern for their subordinates reveals their character a long time before Yamamoto explicitly talks about their disposition.

- Yoruichi's status as persona non grata is mentioned much more explicitly than I remember in the anime. Soi Fong says that it is "For assisting the escape of the exile Urahara Kisuke," which is exactly what happened.

- Byakuya makes reference to Kaien as "That infuriatingly liberal man." He's never had any interaction with Kaien in the comic so far, and so this makes me believe that the two of them have some back story that is still to come.
 
 
Ignacio
19:54 / 03.09.08
Devorar Pluma only makes sense in Spanish if you take take "devorar" in the imperative sense, pluma being his weapon or a part of his weapon. In any case, Spanish in Bleach is deliverately used in an ambiguous way. Spanish words are put together in the way kanji are put together to create compounds. I haven't seen the kanji that the arrancar uses, I think it is in Spanish in the original as that would follow the arrancar trend to give a Spanish name to their released states. Sometimes the combination of kanji to create compounds makes perfect sense as a resultant of words put together; in other cases it sounds more arbitrary an can be explaned if you go deep into the history of the kanji in question.
I find the way Spanish words are treated like kanji fascinating. One o fmy favourites is "menos grande", and how it combines with "negacion" and "cero".

Menos, meaning "less", is combined with grande, meaning "big". However, the expression menos grande is not used to mean "less big". The main characteristic of the Menos, among others, is that they are actually huge. So the word grande still stands for big, but the word menos is not used in a way in which it affects the word grande as in "less big". It happens the other way around. The word menos, in this case, implies denial (negacion), regression, death, negativity. So menos grandes, are not "less big" but "big lesses" , taking the word "less" as a nown, which meaning can expand to the implications that I mentioned. The overal conveyed feel or vague meaning would be a huge negative force, a big death, a big negation. Or, alternative, death and negation coming from "big" -a big thing. This twisted logic is what happens when I try to use the relative similar grammars of Spanish and English thinking in Japanese. Again all this makes sense if we take into account other Menos related Spanish terms such as "negacion" and "cero".
Devorar Pluma is to be understood in the same way, aligning western words independently from western gramar habits, to convey, as kanji do, an overal meaning, impresion, or notion.

The kanji themselves can be tremendously ambiguous, and I would be surprised if Kubo wasn't taking some advantage of that. If there is a long compound refering to something analogous to "devorar pluma", which I haven't seen, that would help, but then we would be relying on the Gainax-eske complexity of Kanji dictionaries.
 
 
Red Concrete
21:19 / 03.09.08
Thanks for the explanation - it hadn't occurred to me that the manga might use romaji for the Spanish words (I rarely read the "raw" versions).

The Menos thing I knew - they explain very early (though I don't think it's mentioned at all after) in the comic that normal souls (ghosts) are called Pluses, in english notably...

I'd love to tackle Japanese, but from understanding to reading and writing it is a lot of work, and I've too many hobbies already!
 
 
Seth
22:27 / 03.09.08
Great post Iggy. Thank you.
 
 
Ignacio
18:27 / 04.09.08
They could use Katakana, which is the syllabary that Japanese uses for foreign words and onomatopoeia and it tends to be used in a very flexible way. However, the words "menos" or "grande" would be unwritable. I'm quite sure they must have used romaji in the original. Sometimes in fiction Japanese writers use katakana to say create words in a westernised way as an alternative to the Japanese original. The best example in Bleach is "soul society". Of course there are non western derived words for "soul" and "society", but this is a case of an artificial use of Katakana. Words like biuru or miruku are English derived as there are no Japanese alternatives for beer or milk.

The sounds required to say "society" exist in Japanese; a romaji version of the katakana would be "sosieti". However, when you hear them say "soul" they actually say "souro"; as the only consonant in kana is the "n". So basically what they have done is to treat the words "soul society" as they treat words like "table" (teburu) or "computer" (compiuta).
I think this is particularly quite interesting. Even though I think Kubo might have done that for aesthetic reasons, I like the idea that within the confines of the aboriginal and Chinese derived elements of Japanese language, the expresion "soul society" has been artificially removed and treated as a pair of nihon go adapted Ensligh words that would require katakana to be writen, despite the fact that there are kanji which are usable for those meanings.

I like the implications of thinking about Soul Society as an entity forced into foreign-ness. I like how it embodies the idea of death and life after death. It's also interesting in the context of having the expression "soul society" being used mostly to refer to the Court of Pure Souls, rather than Soul Society as a whole.

With the Spanish words, however, there is no adaptation, the characters pronounce Spanish phonetics, including those that are not part of the Japanese phonetic environment, such as "gra" from "grande" or "ecto" from "directo".
 
  

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