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Torchwood, Season 2 (NO SPOILERS)

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Our Lady Has Left the Building

18:44 / 23.02.08

Maybe she could just go gay again and lust after Martha?

07:04 / 25.02.08

Unfortunately I suspect that Owen's death will be something that'll be cured by the end of the next episode. It's just another crap attempt to make Rohypnol Boy seem more heroic.

Whisky Priestess

09:34 / 25.02.08

Depends how long Martha will be sticking around for, I guess. They don't need two doctors on the team, after all. And Torchwood always seems to be overstaffed by at least one member.

Admittedly it's not always the same team-mate who's left hanging about with nothing to do (there's a fairly regular cycle between Owen, Tosh and Ianto) but it is painfully obvious by now that at five members, Torchwood is just too big. Which is odd, really.

I say bring back Suzie ...

11:09 / 25.02.08

I am now imagining an episode entitled "They Keep Killing Owen"...

13:26 / 25.02.08

I begged.

Whisky Priestess

15:46 / 25.02.08

"... in Various Imaginative Viewer-Suggested Ways" ...

Season 2 DVD extra?

Our Lady Has Left the Building

16:44 / 25.02.08

It's like that Itchy and Scratchy episode where Itchy clones infinite Scratchys so he can kill each of them differently.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

22:27 / 25.02.08

I'm 2 weeks behind, and just watched "Adam", which I really liked, but before I watch the next one I have to say that when Whisky says: Also, how much is Jack's homeworld childhood, retro-70s clothes and all, ripped straight from Star Wars: A New Hope? Paging George Lucas ...

...my first thought on seeing those scenes was "FUCK!!! The Face Of Boe grew up on Tattofuckingine??? Christ!"

My second best impression of this episode was that I always thought Ianto'd make a great serial killer, and had kept in the back of my mind a forlorn hope that he may one day come good in that respect. I'm partly pleased they did it, but mostly disappointed that they've now completely ruined any chance they may have had of doing it for real.

Fuckers.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

23:34 / 25.02.08

(Edited to add- Quite pissed, and have watched another episode now.)

That said, given the previous episode and the timey-wimey WWI one, is this just ALL ABOUT giving Tosh a REALLY HARD TIME, emotionally?

The timey one, Adam, I have to say- geeky and shy Owen was WAY MORE OF A PRICK THAN ACTUAL WANKER OWEN. So it's nice that that time wasn't real. Owen who was actually objectionable was WAY more fun than Owen who was ineffectual.

That said...

Martha's scenes with Jack were ace. I liked those a lot.

I'd love a spin-off with Ianto as a serial killer through time and space, though. It'd be FUCKING WIN all through that motherfucker. Maaaaaaybe some aliens. Maaaaaaaaaybe some weird tech. But most of all, Ianto. Killing people. Obsessively. Though politely.

The other thing about that episode- normally, I'd love it if Haus got to be in charge. Amputations, what have you. THIS one, House would have been better. That great techno-y Torchwood music... and "IT'S NOT FUCKING LUPUS, ALRIGHT???" would have been ace.

That was LOADS of fun. I LOVES ME SOME TORCHWOOD.

I should probably lie down now.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

19:05 / 27.02.08

Please don't bring back Owen, please don't bring back Owen...

Martha does appear to be doing a autopsy for no reason at all...

Oh fuck, an evil and omniscient child. She can fuck right off right now.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

19:52 / 27.02.08

Wow, that was like a car crash where the crash then crashes itself, until, after 40 minutes, it's one huge meta-crash of car crashes. Really, someone should be made to hurt for this and next week's 'License Rescinded' episode looks like it's going to be even worse.

ONLY NICE THINGS

21:03 / 27.02.08

'I'm going to bring him back, incidentally unleashing the Grim Reaper on Cardiff!"

"Regrettably, Jack, due to the precautionary removal of your arm, you cannot put on the glove."

"Bum. Other hand?"

"Nah, it's a right-hand glove. The thumb would stick out all weird."

"Shit. Oh, well. Martha, would you like a job?"

They're totally doing it on purpose. That lady off Darktalk isn't getting through this without an Inverse Heather Millsing.

21:30 / 27.02.08

And there I was I just hoping that they cut him up into tiny undead pieces...

03:36 / 28.02.08

Yeah, Dead Man Walking's a load of shite, basically, but the next episode is actually pretty good. By Torchwood standards, it's excellent.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

07:37 / 28.02.08

So I was right then, it'll be awful?

12:33 / 28.02.08

I actually liked Dead Man Walking, preferred it to Reset. Funny old world.

17:13 / 28.02.08

Sweet zombie Owen!

To give the show credit, at least they went the whole hog with Owen's newly found status as walking dead. Not sure it really need a club bunny fiddling with his unmentionables to get over that he'll not be molesting anyone in the near future, but still.

Death looked pretty groovy initially, but then they went with it being all hunched over which was, I suppose, to make it look like it was diseased. But it just made it look a little silly.

I liked the Weevil scenes, especially the church of sleeping ones at the start. I was half hoping Jack was going to walk into the Hub after, torn to shreds and barely able to move, plonking the gauntlet down and then dying for a few seconds.

The Owen/Death "dance-off" at the end looked ridiculous.

Going back to the Adam episode (which I finially got round to watching) I was reasonably entertained (even if it has been done bigger and better on other shows). I was trying to place the sounds made by the Big Bads that killed Jack's family in the futurrrrrrre. Presumably they're also the ones he went to war to fight against (which I had supposed to be Daleks).

17:34 / 28.02.08

I thought they sounded a bit like Krillitanes myself, but they're hardly the most threatening of enemies. This is only speculation, but maybe Grey was abducted by them and experimented on. That wouldn't match up with Spike's flip mentioning of Grey though, but expecting Torchwood to make sense is a silly game to play.

uncle retrospective

18:52 / 28.02.08

Just seen ep8. Owen is a fan of Battles. I don't see it and Atlas is not the music I'd use for a dramatic scene.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

05:09 / 29.02.08

In many ways that episode was like the pilot for an American series where they throw lots of stuff at the screen (child fortune tellers, churches full of Weevils, Martha being aged) and seeing what stuck, but normally there's at least one good idea in the midst of it, while here the good idea was was the one they were trying to undo. So Jack risked everything because he needs a security code for the Torchwood computers, no, he does it because he wuvs Owen, no wait, he does it because, ummm, why does he do it? The fact that this is the first time we've seen more than one Weevil on screen at any one time goes uncommented, as does any explanation for why Jack decides to sneak through a church of them rather than Torchwood going in all guns blazing and taking them out, they are supposed to be a serious blight.

The nightclub scene is appalling and makes me wonder if the writer of this episode wrote that 'Men Behaving Badly' where they go to 'a rave'. Barrowman will have to pay for that Cockney accent. And why does he let them get locked up in a police cell for a while when times a-wasting before announcing his Torchwood credentials. The bit where Owen lectures scared leukemia boy about standing up to death is, quite possibly, staggeringly insensitive on the part of the script-writer and would have worked better if it had been the kid giving the insight back to Owen to face up to death.

Whisky Priestess

09:27 / 29.02.08

Well, I have to say that although I missed the first ten minutes I genuinely thought this was the best one of the season so far - mainly because the payoff managed to surprise me. I never thought I'd be saying this, but I'm glad they didn't kill Owen off at the end. I'm glad they're taking him and making him something new, and most of all I'm glad Torchwood membership now extends to THE UNDEAD!!!

All right, I'm basically doing a zombie squee - but I think I'm allowed. I quite liked the way they represented Death as a swirling cloud of brown smoke, but I was fucked off by the stupid skeleton inside the smoke. Much better to leave it as a sinister miasma - and I agree about the dance-off; Owen's moves were far from righteous and would have earned him a tongue-lashing on Strictly Come Dancing with Death.

Also, the Guinness vomiting thing was yuck. And if they're going to go the whole Death Becomes Her hog, whereby he's basically a supernaturally animated corpse, he can't eat or drink and the blood in his body isn't circulating, then bits are going to start dropping off him veeeery soon.

If they actually follow through on the "proper physical death" thing Owen ain't going to be very pleasant to be around after a week of rotting above ground - but I don't imagine they will, because that would involve thinking something through to a logical conclusion, rather than a cheap impotence/upchuck gag.

I didn't understand any of the "death unleashed, needs thirteen souls" thing but that's possibly because I missed the beginning. However, I thought that with something to get his teeth into for the very first time, Burn Gorman actually started doing a bit of acting and it was entirely to his credit. I thought he sold the "just us dead men" line and his little scene with Gwen rang emotionally true for me. Not sure about snogging Tosh in the revolving door but I suppose that needed to be there as a red herring to make us think Owen was going to die.

But most importantly, I'm really excited about next week now. I think it looks ace.

uncle retrospective

15:52 / 29.02.08

Your not going to be happy Whiskey, after the next ep I'm wondering if TW is worth the bandwith to download.
Richard Briers is in it though, that was good.

ONLY NICE THINGS

16:04 / 29.02.08

It's a not a spoiler if you're just hating.

16:58 / 29.02.08

Just watched Dead Man Walking and A Day in the Death back to back. Dead Man Walking wasn't as awful as I had been told, but Owen's dance with Death was very silly. A question: If faith defeated Death, what was the faith in (also, I know it was a little girl called Faith that defeated Death last time, but wasn't it supposed to be Owen's faith in something that eventually led to Death's death)? I can understand and kind of appreciate the use of faith in the resolution of something like Last of the Timelords because it was a faith placed in the Doctor, but what was Owen's faith placed in? Urks, nevermind. Bad episode and a surprisingly bad script from Matt Jones.

The episode after it was great though. No spoilers, but the pre-credits sequence alone is infinitely superior to anything in Dead Man Walking.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

20:17 / 29.02.08

It's a not a spoiler if you're just hating.

No, it fucking IS. If I start watching next week's thinking "ah, apparently this one's rubbish", it's gonna mean I'm LOOKING for bad shit to criticise.

Anyway, hating or no, it's SMUG.

ONLY NICE THINGS

22:17 / 29.02.08

Well, it's not as smug as "I've got preview tapes from the BBC" - this is just "I've got freeview" - or in this case "I've got bittorrent". We've decided to keep this thread on BBC2 time, though, and I wouldn't mind sticking to that, personally.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

23:15 / 29.02.08

Yeah, I'll go with that.

I mean "go with" in a more "Noakes" sort of sense than any sort of drunking fumblings one may imagine, though.

09:11 / 01.03.08

The fact that this is the first time we've seen more than one Weevil on screen at any one time goes uncommented, as does any explanation for why Jack decides to sneak through a church of them rather than Torchwood going in all guns blazing and taking them out, they are supposed to be a serious blight.

Torchwood's only allowed to "mercy kill" aliens (translation: as long as they can justify it in the debriefing) or cap them in self-defence, generally with Weevils they just repeatedly gas and dress them.

I didn't understand any of the "death unleashed, needs thirteen souls" thing but that's possibly because I missed the beginning.

Don't worry, there wasn't any justification for it. Possibly the Doctor would have spun off an explanation that absorbing the energy of thirteen people was the minimum amount it needed to physically manifest to give some science-coating to what is basically supernatural badness (see: werewolves). Torchwood don't bother. There's aliens and there's demons.

I've got an image of a "Westside Story"-style dance off between gangs of Weevils and Ood now.

"Death!"

"Beast!"

"Death!"

"Beast!"

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

20:38 / 03.03.08

I suspect "A Day in the Death" would appeal to me more -- and as far as Torchwood goes, it's a pretty well-done episode -- if Owen wasn't the focus, really. Owen irritates me no end, even if he is occasionally interesting.

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Whisky Priestess

09:00 / 04.03.08

I'm pretty sure the above is spoilerish for those who haven't seen this week's episode on BBC2 yet - can you stick in some warnings or the blackout bars or something?

Our Lady Has Left the Building

12:23 / 04.03.08

I'm sure that if the simple exercise of self-con-cocking-trol is beyond people then tricky HTML wankery is too much to ask. Would someone like to post in exhaustive detail the plots of every single remaining episode in this season just to get it out of the way now?

Whisky Priestess

14:32 / 04.03.08

I'd do it myself (i.e. spoiler edit the post) but I'm not a moderator in this forum, alas ...

I see the No Spoilers BBC2 Timing bit is even in the thread summary above me as I post this. Hard to miss, really.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

15:22 / 04.03.08

Sorry, working from Canada where I'm not necessarily aware of BBC2 scheduling. I'll move for spoiler tags in a minute.

Whisky Priestess

16:16 / 04.03.08

OK, cool - basically the episode you describe above is due to air tomorrow night, Wednesday March 5th, at 9pm GMT,on BBC2. Subsequent episodes will be on subsequent Wednesdays at the same time.

Wednesdays, probably mid-afternoon your time, depending on where in Canada you are, is watershed day for new episode discussion.

19:45 / 05.03.08

FUCK OFF AND DIE PROPERLY OWEN!

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