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Torchwood, Season 2 (NO SPOILERS)

 
  

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Evil Scientist
10:46 / 04.01.08
It's the show I love to hate, and on the 16th of January it's back. Jack reunites with his little band of emotionally damaged lads and ladies for yet more shenanigans on the "dark" side of the Whoniverse. The first season had a mixed response from the Barbelith crowd, and the stories varied in quality (IMO) from watchable (Everything Changes, Small Worlds) to dire (Combat, Random Shoes, Cyberwoman), but had the occasional glimmers of half-way decent sci-fi (Captain Jack Harkness, Out Of Time, They Keep Killing Suzie).

So can Torchwood wow us this time around?

Personally I'm hoping for a little more attention being paid to previous storylines. Last season felt like individual writers had been locked in separate buildings and not allowed to confer. We need a bit more of a Spooks vibe and a little less "sexy sex" (or at least sexy sex done in a way that is actually sexy and not Owen-creepy).
 
 
Lama glama
12:11 / 04.01.08
It certainly seemed like last year's writers weren't allowed to confer. I think what I disliked most about last year's Torchwood (other than the unnecessary "adult" tone) was that every episode felt like it was each writer's sequel to RTD's initial episode. Ianto swears vengeance on Jack four episodes in, yet it's forgotten by season's end without so much as a cursory handwave to explain why he's suddenly having stopwatch sex with Jack and sniffing his jacket.

I suppose one of the reasons for Torchwood's poor quality last season was because it was produced extremely quickly. It only filmed for about five months, compared to Doctor Who's nine month production period. The scripts were all apparently very rushed and one reason that Chibnall's scripts on Torchwood varied in quality was because (according to the commentary on "42") he basically had a broken back for all of 2006 and was consequently in extreme pain because of it. For all his failings, I felt that he (and possibly "Out of Time" and "Captain Jack Harkness'" writer Cath Tregenna) were the only two that made good use of the entire cast and this possibly bodes well for a stronger season that's been given an entire year of pre-production/filming.

I'm allowing myself to become a little excited about the second season. It has most of the same writers, but in a better balance. Chibnall is doing four again this year, but with that bigger lead-in time there's a chance that they'll approach the quality of his Doctor Who episode. James Moran of Severance fame is also doing an episode this year, which should hopefully be darkly humorous and with fairly witty banter. Cath Tregenna returns for two, along with Helen Raynor, Sarah Jane's Phil Ford, J.C Wilsher and the Satan Pit's Matt Jones.
I'm most excited about Joseph Lidster's script. He's written a huge amount of Big Finish plays, which are always incredibly strong and tend to have fairly large ensemble casts to manage. If he can bring his tendency to write (somewhat) distressing, emotional drama to Torchwood, then that should make for an excellent episode.

So yes, moderately excited that they will have actually learned from the mistakes made with season 1 and that season 2 will be watchable.
Also [+] [-] Spoiler
 
 
sleazenation
12:38 / 04.01.08
As i think I said at the time, I really wanted to like Torchwood Season 1, and was very disappointed to the point I wasn't really that bothered if i missed it. That said i still have hopes that season 2 could be good. They aren't necessarily high hope, but hopes they be.

I really would like to see Owen killed off. Actually, I'd rather see issues of him being a drug-rapist addressed and explored rather than played for laughs. I'd like to see him further explored as more problematic hero figure. It could be done, but, like I say, I don't have high hopes...
 
 
DavidXBrunt
15:27 / 04.01.08
Series one was something I wanted to like but didn't. I still picked up the D.V.D.s (when they dropped into price range) and am currently rewatching. The bad is still bad but the good is better than I remembered.

Problematically I can't really enjoy the best episode, Small Worlds, because I know the bloke who played the evil cardboard stepdad and real world stuff intrudes. Gah.

I have high hopes for series two. Mistakes were made first time around but hopefully lessons have been learnt.

So, yeah, bring it on.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
18:43 / 04.01.08
Again, I didn't think Torchwood was perfect, but all in all, I liked it. Actually, I liked it a lot better as it came towards the season finale. The first few eps were a bit rough (HOLY CHRIST, Cyberwoman, anyone?) but then it became more watchable. I'll be keeping tabs on it here in the States--illegally, I'm sure--as it airs.
 
 
h1ppychick
19:10 / 16.01.08
Come on! Liking it so far...
 
 
h1ppychick
19:18 / 16.01.08
Oh this is sooooo much better, already.
 
 
h1ppychick
19:52 / 16.01.08
That was totally bonzer! The actors are so much better with a decent script to work with, employing some excellent one-liners, even some nods to previous events (unlike last year's no-connection-episodeswritteninabubble-ness).

I'm in a happy place, right now.

(I could do without the enormously long teaser trailer at the end though.)
 
 
The Strobe
19:53 / 16.01.08
Are we even watching the same show? That was horrific - far worse than most of Season 1. I mean, the barfight!

It picked up as it went on, I guess, but barely. Jeopardise the team, don't jeopardise the team, by-the-way-Jack-can't-die... and a stupid, stupid opening.

I mean, I was expecting nonsense, but that was quite remarkable.
 
 
sleazenation
19:53 / 16.01.08
Are you smoking crack h1ppychick?
 
 
h1ppychick
19:56 / 16.01.08
Hey, I liked it. Tongue-in-cheek, maybe, but entertaining nonetheless.
 
 
Evil Scientist
19:58 / 16.01.08
Not a bad opening episode. Marsters was just running on a Spike-vibe but still entertaining.

Not hugely overwhelmed by the Gwen/Jack moment. I'm not convinced we really need that particular love angle brewing.

I thought the humour was better this time around. Nice to see Tosh actually getting to do something now she's got her tricorder, and portable forensics kit.

Bit cliched, but still watchable. Although it felt like the Barrowman/Marsters show at times, the ending gave us a bit more teamwork.

The fish-alien was good until he opened his mouth and spewed forth some truely shite lines. Loved the Joker-esque suit though.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
20:00 / 16.01.08
Well, hell, I thought it was better - more characters means less Gwen/Jack emoting. And James Marsters actually carried off the pansexual action man thing.

Is it just me or did Barrowman become irritatingly camp whenever the dialogue moved in a more sexual direction?
 
 
h1ppychick
20:02 / 16.01.08
The lipgloss thing was a total rip-off from Firefly, however.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
20:03 / 16.01.08
I think it's a pretty good sign if they're ripping off things from that show, mind.
 
 
h1ppychick
20:04 / 16.01.08
It's Whedon-tastic, what with Spike and the Ants, and all.
 
 
Evil Scientist
20:09 / 16.01.08
Torchwood, they have the contempt of the Grannies of Cardiff.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:11 / 16.01.08
That was great stuff. You all didn't like it, really?
 
 
h1ppychick
20:13 / 16.01.08
I don't buy the Gwen/Jack thing - at least not from his side.

The thing with Jack is, he's greedy and narcissistic. He may not really want Gwen, or indeed Ianto, particularly much himself. He just wants to know that they want him. And will drop anyone and anything else for him.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:17 / 16.01.08
The main thing was that we had a team of people who were pretty good at their individual tasks, whereas season one Torchwood couldn't be trusted to boil a kettle without killing all the marine life in the Irish sea. Owen's transformation from being a self-centred narcissist who only wanted to shag Gwen and shoot anything that wasn't Gwen is a relief and now that Ianto has got over his girlfriend and seems to be developing a spine is to be applauded. He and Tosh still need some character development, Tosh in particular the writers don't seem to have worked out exactly what to do with her other than make her good with machines. The scene with Jack carefully sounding Ianto out in the office was a more adult approach to sexuality and relationships than almost the entirety of series one.

If this has all happened because Torchwood is being shown first on BBC2 at 9:00 pm than BBC3 at 10:00 then it was definitely the right choice to make.
 
 
Twice
20:22 / 16.01.08
Oh, bum. I forgot to watch it. Is it on again?
 
 
h1ppychick
20:22 / 16.01.08
BBC3 at 11.30
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:23 / 17.01.08
Erm, I fucking loved it.

That was ACE. The right balance between Torchwood incompetence and silliness ("bloody Torchwood" granny) and actual WHOAH! WHAT THE FUCK WILL HAPPEN NEXT WEEK??? shit. That's what I really WANT from a show like this.

Am I really going to have to explain AGAIN to people who expect serious psychological drama from Torchwood that, well, actually, some of us really LIKE silly fun skiffy?
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
04:02 / 17.01.08
I think that FUCKING ROCKED. I agree with Stoatie about not expecting serious psychological drama from the show, but I thought the first series failed in part, because even it wasn't sure that wasn't supposed to be doing exactly that. This episode on the other hand was very confident that it was basically silly, sexy, slightly dirty fun, and evedn so handled it's characters better than series one. Best Torchwood ever in my opinion, and I can't wait for next week.
 
 
Evil Scientist
06:54 / 17.01.08
I enjoyed it certainly. It was fairly solid as a story, and the Torchwood team again showed that they're lab geeks with nothing but on-the-job combat training. Which is why they need Jack to provide much needed ass-kickery.

Without spoilering, the trailer of the rest of the season looked really good.

I mean, the barfight!

I didn't see anything wrong with it, nothing wrong with some man-on-man action mixed in with some genuinely hot (well for Torchwood) kiss-kiss. Given that I hear Marsters was being a little "het" about doing the kissing scenes I thought he sold it really well.

I still think the character was a leetle too Spike in characterisation, but that doesn't mean I wasn't entertained by it. He makes a good Homme Fatale for Jack.

"Ohhh, but I was a good wife."
 
 
Alex's Grandma
08:59 / 17.01.08
I suppose it was all right as far is it went, which is to say, as an excitable Saturday afternoon kids show that's on far too late for its own good, and consequently forced to deal with all this sexual material that makes it feel very uncomfortable.

Also, aren't there too many supporting characters on the team? Glynn from Big Brother's damp-knickered crush on Captain Jack is quite (unintentionally?) funny, so he could stay, and the Welsh Carol Vorderman has to be there as a POV character, but the other two seem like so much dead weight really. All sci fi shows need an IT person I suppose, but having two of them in there means there often aren't enough lines to go around for either;

'Is the bloodwork done, creep guy?'

'Yes, and it's fascinating. You see ...'

'Sorry, we haven't got time for that. What about the radiation, asian babe?'

'I've never seen anything like this ...'

'Just tell us we have to blow up/defuse, dear?!'

(sighs) 'All right. Have I ever told everyone I've sometimes had fantasies about me and other women?'

'Now that, you see, is interesting.'

'Well, what about if I get my cock out? Will you pay attention to me then?'

'If we must, creepy guy. If we must.'

For some, this must be part of Torchwood's appeal, but I'm not seeing it myself.

And there was some problematic writing. And perhaps somone ought to think about weaning the director off whatever drugs he thinks he's on, and sending him back to film school with an angry note attached.

James Marsters was good though. He's underused at the moment, but should have a bright future as a Bond-type villain ahead of him, once he's got a few more miles on the clock.
 
 
Chew On Fat
09:15 / 17.01.08
I loved it.

The fish-guy did seem to be very up on all their inner motivations. OK they aren't as top-secret as they'd like to be, but neither is the IT team upstairs from me, and who knows what their team dynamic is.

Still, I think the writers were just pointing out early on that they've taken on board a lot of the criticisms that people like the Barbanoids have posted. I took it very much in that spirit and took assurance from it that the show might have changed tack.

Was that trailer for the rest of the season? I thought it was the next episode but thought they seemed to be cramming a lot into one week!
 
 
■
09:33 / 17.01.08
It's for the whole season, as next week is a nicely savage story that starts with a woman who has trouble with burglars. Really ups the stakes after what I thought was a fairly wonky but quite fun exposition episode. And it's definitely NOT for children.
 
 
Princess
11:52 / 17.01.08
I am in favour of anything which gets more consensual sexy boy violence on television. I thought it was really good.

It's perfect, fluffy television. A nice brake from the stress of Rosemary's Kitchen and the other high stress viewing that seems to be everywhere.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:57 / 17.01.08
I just remembered what the fish-man's speech reminded me of; it was a poor version of The Beast's speech from The Satan Pit wasn't it?
 
 
Feverfew
17:38 / 17.01.08
As an aside, the BBC's "iPlayer" is quite sharp, as I didn't realise / remember that this was even on last night.

There were moments of joy - "Trust me, I'm an improviser" possibly being one of them, along with "You take the roof - you're good with roofs" (which I may be misquoting) - but much as I want to like Torchwood, I can't help but feel (which may be a personal thing) that so so much of it is low-rent Whedon. Not only was there the paralyzing kiss, but Jack's return felt to me so much like the beginning of Angel season 3 somehow, except with more shoving.

The bar fight was a good idea, but the music choice - "We need to show violence and exhilaration, let's use Blur" - and the cutting just seemed to take all the passion out of it, replacing it with what seemed to be - maybe deliberately - two people who know each other intimately doing very practiced moves, as if there was no way they could ever greet each other except for a kiss, a fight to test each other, and a drink.

In fact, that's pretty much a microcosm of the show for me - wanting to be passionate, filled with energy, needing to show off, but held back under invisible constraints.

The "rest of season" trailer is oddly exciting, though.
 
 
imaginary mice
18:52 / 17.01.08
The bar fight was a good idea, but the music choice - "We need to show violence and exhilaration, let's use Blur" - and the cutting just seemed to take all the passion out of it,

Alabama 3 made me squeak with joy though.

James Marsters + Alabama 3 = very happy imaginary jerboas
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
19:30 / 17.01.08
so so much of it is low-rent Whedon. Not only was there the paralyzing kiss, but Jack's return felt to me so much like the beginning of Angel season 3 somehow, except with more shoving.

I kind of agree. Personally the beginning of the episode put me in mind of the rest of the gang handling the slayage at the beginning of Buffy Season 3, but that might jsut be coz I've watched that series recently. But crucially I found this episode to be very good low rent Whedon, indeed at least as enjoyable as some of Whedon's stuff, so being dripping with Whedon influence was no bad thing as far as I was concerned.

Oh and I'd been listening to the exact same Alabama 3 track that morning so that part was especially fun for me.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:12 / 18.01.08
Low-Rent Whedon still beats High-Class Chibnall circa 2006.
 
 
Chew On Fat
12:43 / 18.01.08
When Jack said 'Miss me?', thats an exact quote of Buffy's first line in the first episode of Buffy season 2. Only Buffy's was a bit more knowing as she was speaking directly to camera and it was a genuine question asked of an as yet uncommited viewing public.

Also Buffy had actually been gone from the schedules for a bit longer than Jack had so it was a more legitimate question too on that level.
 
  

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