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Torchwood, Season 2 (NO SPOILERS)

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
21:24 / 05.04.08
Vindicated.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:29 / 06.04.08
It was insane, not in the good way but the "I'm in the sixth form and I've just drunk two bottles of Diamond White!", the show kept starting and stopping and probably the only positive thing about it is that most of the team got to have their hero moments to explain why we should give a toss about them, though if I understood Tosh right whoever designed Cardiff's nuclear power plant was criminally negligent and insane.

It would have been nice if they got someone to play Gray who could act, or if they'd told the actor not to go for understated and traumatised, this character was so bad he needed to be big to make up for it.

What I thought was good was that Jack spent two thousand years in the ground thinking "when they dig me out of here, I'm going to tell Gray I forgive him, just like the Doctor did with the Master." And Tosh's final video might have been better if they weren't ripping off the Ninth Doctor's TARDIS message for Rose, but then they might as well rip off RTD, it just shows they are stealing from the best. To give them their dues, the actors managed to take what was a very badly written last scene and do so well that I found myself caring about what happened to them.

It's also interesting that Jack could be kept in the Torchwood freezers for 100 years and no-one would notice. Perhaps they should have a look in some of the other freezers, maybe they've got Buddy Holly or Elvis stashed away and just never bothered to look.

So, is that it or is there another series of this to look forward to?
 
 
Feverfew
20:19 / 06.04.08
The only other thing I thought at the time was "Well, isn't it lucky that no other show's had a plotline wherein an immortal's sealed in a coffin by a close relative who's suffered torture because of said immortal's inability to reach them and help them - Oh bollocks."
 
 
Lama glama
22:04 / 06.04.08
So, is that it or is there another series of this to look forward to?

Another series depends entirely on the ratings. The scheduling has been all over the place. When it was showing on Wednesdays at 9pm on BBC2, it frequently got over 3 million. Once they gave the first showing to BBC3, they dropped. The Friday switch also caused another drop. It was almost like they wanted the show to fail. Still, it almost always won its slot, so another series seems likely.

The rumour mill suggests that (big Doctor Who season 4 spoiler folks!)

[+] [-] Spoiler
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:06 / 06.04.08
Feverfew -- does that really surprise you? Torchwood has, since day one, been pretty much a redux of Buffy and Angel, only British and without gothic recriminations whenever anybody has sex.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
00:52 / 07.04.08
Just saw the last 2 episodes of this, having not watched anything previous of this series.

Got to concur with the Buffy/Angel rip-off comment - in fact, the rumour i heard was that most of the first series of Torchwood was, in fact, a repurposed and name-changed version of RTD's Buffyverse fanfic. Probably a bit exaggerated, but not at all surprising...

But my main thought after watching those last 2 episodes was... what the FUCK did they do to Tosh?

They took a gorgeous, nerdy-yet-sexy, genuinely intelligent (possibly the only one of Torchwood with *any* sense, in fact) lesbian (or at least AFAIK in season 1 it was only women she showed an interest in) who could have been an AWESOME sex-positive, queer-positive, nerd-positive, ethnic-minority-positive character, and seriously kicked some ass... and first decided to make her hopelessly in love with Mr Weaselface McMisogynist, and then KILLED her???

Dammit, was i the only Tosh fanboy? Then again, i usually seem to end up liking the character who gets least screentime and ends up dying or being written out horribly.

Also, why the hell didn't Owen just get a retcon pill?

I did like that dinosaur line though.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:54 / 07.04.08
To be fair she loved Weaselboy from the first and the lesbian episode was when she was being mind controlled. She did also fancy a infantryman from the first world war.

It just goes to show how much Jack hates them, John is responsible for both of them dying and he lets him go with a hug and a snog.
 
 
penitentvandal
07:01 / 07.04.08
I'm not sure Jack hates them, I'm beginning to think Jack doesn't have normal emotions as a result of having lived so fucking long. In his head it makes perfect sense to not be pissed at John, to leave all the rift casualties in the Silent Hill Hospital, to recruit a team of total fuck-ups and to not beat the shit out of Owen for being a rapist. It makes sense because after years of dying and coming back, Jack's head is entirely made of wrong and sex and nothing else.

Speaking of which, given that Jack has spent two thousand fucking years in the ground I expect, no, demand, that next season begins approximately thirty seconds after the end of this one with a massive Jack, Ianto and Gwen threesome. The man was in a coffin for two millennia with nary the space nor air to have a wank, he should be fucking everything next series.
 
 
Feverfew
07:21 / 07.04.08
Feverfew -- does that really surprise you?

Well, no, but I felt a need to vent frustration at the - let's be charitable here - homagé.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:35 / 07.04.08
My god. Two thousand years of immortal blue balls. There's a horrifying thought. I mean, this is Captain Jack. Buried alive? I'm surprised he hasn't had sex with a sentient sand colony.

This was actually a pretty sad episode. Best moment was probably Tosh & Ianto versus the Reapers.

But now I hope Martha comes on board full-time. Though, that suggests dangerous increases in Torchwood efficiency and capability, doesn't it?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:21 / 07.04.08
If there is a season three then I expect it will be made explicit that Jack's version of justice will, after letting John off, be based purely on whether he can get a shag or not. He'll fight Daleks unless they bring back Davros to give him a hand-job.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:58 / 07.04.08
As Henry Kelly would say on the much-missed Going For Gold, I'm playing catch-up here... (about five episodes behind, and just watched three of them, culminating in the Gwen's wedding one...)

...I know I'm not usually the one to get all precious about minor details, but... why the fuck was taking Owen's security pass away from him worthy of dramatic music when he's clearly still allowed to roam freely round the compound? What do they use those passes FOR, exactly? He goes home to his ace flat. He goes back to Torchwood and is allowed to play with fucked-up alien technology which does... well... WHAT, exactly? I mean, I love Wings Of Desire probably MOAR than the next man, but... Owen doesn't really cut it.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE SECURITY PASS THING is, I guess, what I really want to know.

I really liked the wedding one, though. It ws what I've ALWAYS wanted those crappy wedding-related romantic comedies to turn into.

The cinema/sideshow one? Had some nice images, but was fucking completely incoherent. Possibly in the running for best episode ever.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
09:24 / 08.04.08
Well, you know ... apart from the MONSTROUSLY over-the-top and unnecessary plotnasty of burying Jack for 2000 years, I thought that was actually a damned good episode in many ways.

By which I mean, plenty of stuff blowing up, lots of running around, made some sort of sense and had a proper city-wide threat, actually followed on from the last episode rather than completely ignored it, and a couple of (well, 1 1/2) good tear-jerking season-finale deaths. I though Tosh particularly was excellent and Owen was ... well, Owen really.

Although I didn't understand why, when Tosh had repeatedly told Owen that the chamber he was in was going to be flooded with coolant (usually just water, if I recall my GCSE project on nuclear power correctly) it was instead flooded with white light (WTF?) and I was cheated of a potentially nice Owen-drowning-in-heavy-water sequence.

They had better not bring Owen back. Tosh's death came as a surprise, I must admit, and made my eyes go all moist and blinky.

Jack, John, Ianto, Gwen and possibly Martha for season 3?

I have actually never really warmed to Martha - I find her very bland, TBH - so I hope not. It would be a dream come true if Captain John Spike could be persuaded to stick around but I think they really need either an entirely fresh face, or Rhys, or both, to join the team in the autumn schedules. (I'm pretty sure it will get renewed, and if it is, Torchwood series 3 might actually get as good as Season 1 Buffy).
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
13:40 / 08.04.08
I was cheated of a potentially nice Owen-drowning-in-heavy-water sequence.

I thought that was more of an fade-to-white than anything, and just meant to contrast the series's established "Death is Dark and Silent and there's something moving" thing.

They had better not bring Owen back. Tosh's death came as a surprise, I must admit, and made my eyes go all moist and blinky.

I reacted in much the same way, though I hated Tosh's farewell video. Not because they did it -- I actually think the idea is great and quite in-character -- but what she said was a little off; maybe because at this point we didn't really need to have it hammered home that YES, Tosh was in love with Owen. For some inexplicable reason.

Jack, John, Ianto, Gwen and possibly Martha for season 3?

The All-Jack-Centric cast. John works better for me as a sometimes-ally, sometimes-enemy, actually. Just because he's played by Spike doesn't mean they need to turn him into late-Buffy soppy Spike -- and they would.

Gwen has certainly come into her own, though. Martha, I think, would up the quota of mourning for Owen, which I don't need, as much as I like her.

I think they really need either an entirely fresh face, or Rhys, or both, to join the team in the autumn schedules.

Oh god. That's just what we need to sit through: an hour each week of Rhys being incredulous and whiny on a Torchwood paycheque. What started out as an interesting character interaction for Gwen, a good source of conflict, has begun to bore me. I did like him interacting with Andy, though. Torchwood hasn't got much in the way of supporting cast beyond the two of them and it would be a shame for him to join up. Though I wouldn't mind Andy being around, maybe -- except he works so well as is.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:47 / 08.04.08
Rhys and Andy to star in a spin-off set in Abergafeni.

Well, you know ... apart from the MONSTROUSLY over-the-top and unnecessary plotnasty of burying Jack for 2000 years, I thought that was actually a damned good episode in many ways.

And wasn't it full? Twenty minutes in it felt like a whole episode had gone by. Meaty, fast and (incomprehensible) plot heavy, certainly...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
13:55 / 08.04.08
It felt like a better-paced version of the "Owen fights death" episode that has an entire episode of Angel before the credits sequence.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:56 / 08.04.08
I thought that was pretty fucking awesome, as finales go. And yes, I cried at the end. I'd kind of figured either Tosh or Owen was for the chop, and spent the last episode trying to guess which. Then they killed both of them. Which was a shame- the penultimate episode was the first time I ever actually liked Owen, and Tosh was always my favourite one. Given that Torchwood's reaction to ANYTHING is always one of either a) fuck it, b) shoot it or c) do some made-up m4d h4xzx0r shit to it, she was usually the one responsible for c), which was always more fun.

And when she broke her arm, I was thinking- "fucking amputate it! Haus'll be over the moon!"

But yeah, John could have sorted everything out by cutting his OWN arm off.

So yeah, nice move in having an episode which actually, finally, made me care about most of the characters, and then one where they get totally pwned. Wouldn't have worked otherwise.

Ah, I love Torchwood. It's EXACTLY on my level of really fucking stupidness.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
13:04 / 09.04.08
at this point we didn't really need to have it hammered home that YES, Tosh was in love with Owen.

Ah, you see, yes, that is true - but I'm afraid it's also unavoidably true to the character that she would tell him only when one or other of them is dead/about to die.

And besides, I thought they just about got away with it because of the poignancy of her addressing someone who's dead, but she doesn't know they're dead because so is she ... it's actually quite ironic and sad.

*snif*
 
 
e-n
07:56 / 10.04.08
Was no one else lookign forward to Owen popping up just before the end, all highly radioactive,sarky and lethal?

Condemned to a "life" sitting in nuclear waste dump, waiting for lethality of his coolant soaked flesh to expire whsilst morning Tosh?
:-)

That's not really right.. is it.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
08:54 / 10.04.08
I quite like the Owen-as-radioactive-zombie idea. A bit like Dr. Manhattan but not as intelligent, attractive or emotionally rounded.

Plus, extra poignancy/control points for him not being able to touch/come near people in case he kills them. A bit like Rogue but not as ... etc.
 
 
penitentvandal
20:16 / 10.04.08
I want Owen back as King Weevil - he will be totally, horribly deformed because he has had radiation poisoning but can't die from it. He comes back looking for Tosh, finds she's died, blames Jack and becomes a tragic villain in the Marvel 70s tradition.
 
 
sleazenation
16:41 / 12.04.08
No. Owen is better gone.
 
 
Feverfew
19:57 / 12.04.08
Perhaps he's ascended to a higher plane, but will still be watching over the Torchwood team, and is bored and wants to come back - but when he does, a demon accidentally hijacks him and comes to our world?

Or perhaps he's only half-ascended, and is trapped in a hallucination of a fifties-style cafe, wherein the embodiment of ultimate evil is an overweight American man, also in a half-ascended state?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:31 / 13.04.08
No, because that line of thought leads to Owen being naked.

I would just like to make it clear that I saw Burn in The Curse of Steptoe that was on BBC4 and I thought he was great, even though he had a silly beard and was only a supporting part. He deserves more work.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:22 / 13.04.08
Okay, so I'm watching the Ecceleston Who right now, particularly the episodes that introduce Jack -- and then I started thinking, randomly about his personal timeline.

Now my head hurts. He was physically present in 1941 at least three times in his life, even if in stasis for it at least once...all simultaneously....ugh...
 
 
Whisky Priestess
08:56 / 14.04.08
It does often nark me off proper, the thought that - pretty much without exception - all the fans of Torchwood put so much more thought into what's going on in terms of plot and character than any of the writers of the show.

Not to say that that's even an awful lot of effort on the part of the fans ...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:48 / 14.04.08
I do have a weird feeling that it's going to turn out there's at least fifty versions of Jack wandering around Earth for the Twentieth Century, randomly waiting for the appropriate time for each one to show up at Torchwood, or waiting for the Doctor, or both. And they all have to very carefully avoid running into each other.
 
 
Feverfew
18:31 / 14.04.08
Can you actually see him having the self-control to avoid fifty versions of himself, though, instead of - oh, let's say - having a fifty-one man orgy with himself? An all-Jack jack-off, perchance?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:33 / 14.04.08
I suppose not -- if Torchwood didn't have poor impulse control, they really would have no impulse control...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:37 / 15.04.08
Blinovitch Limitation Effect! The first time Jack tried to snog himself the universe would end...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
06:09 / 15.04.08
But wouldn't you, Lady? Wouldn't you?
 
 
Whisky Priestess
08:15 / 15.04.08
I just don't think that would stop him for even a second, though ...
 
 
DavidXBrunt
15:37 / 17.04.08
It's only Paul Bloody Grist drawing the Torchwood comic strip this month...blimey.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:59 / 17.04.08
There's a Torchwood comic strip? It's not like the Spider-Man strip is it, with three panels each day of Jack shouting at the TV?
 
 
DavidXBrunt
20:27 / 17.04.08
Heh...it's in the Oh so glass half full Titan magazine and it's usually not very good. This months strip at least is pretty and upcoming stuff from Ian Edginton, D'israeli and Stevie Owl promise to be the bestest Torchwood ever.

Oh, and there are details out and about about the upcoming Radio 4 Torchwood special. It's post series two, it's written by Joe Lidster and has Jack, Gwen, Ianto, and Jones the Alienist in it.
 
  

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