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ONLY NICE THINGS
00:11 / 24.08.07
Please stop saying lol. It makes you sound, accurately or not, like a moron.
 
 
Tsuga
00:16 / 24.08.07
I agree, and I hope that's directed elsewhere than (what I thought was) my apparent bitter use of it.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:47 / 24.08.07
Roflcopter.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:45 / 24.08.07
Magick Johnson, recently:

. You wouldn't like it, I suspect, if I were to claim that your response to my post was motivated less by a concern for the problem of misogyny than by a desire for you to feel like the biggest boy in the school yard.

Magick Johnson, having only one trick, earlier:

Now, it seems to me that your words for whatever reason might be read as an attempt by you to paint me as a troll apologist, a reading that's perhaps compounded by the rather selective quotation you make from the beginning of the banning thread I started on DeDI.

A waste of my time, a waste of this board's time.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:47 / 24.08.07
Ohyeah.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
11:39 / 24.08.07
Well, I guess whether I'm a waste of the board's time is for each and every member to decide for themselves. It'd be possible, with careful editing, for you to present almost anybody here in such a manner, but that wouldn't necessarily be a true reflection of their broader engagement with Barbelith.

If you feel I'm wasting your time, Haus, there's a simple solution - you can stop responding to my posts, and put me on ignore. Really, I'm more than fine with that. After all, it's not as if I post here with the intention of engaging you in conversation. I only do so when, as seems habitual, you descend on my posts in your inimitable style.

So what's it to be then? Put me on ignore, or - to paraphrase you - waste your time and the board's time by pursuing this any further?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:03 / 24.08.07
Regrettably, I feel that as a moderator of several fora I cannot in good conscience put people on ignore just because they are Modzeroid, especially if I feel that that may start to shade over into problematic behaviour. So, it would kind of be a non-starter.

Still, since you're here, perhaps you could respond to this? Or, failing that, just disappear from this thread and hope nobody notices now, to save everyone a bit of time?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:06 / 24.08.07
Between that mess and the bloody C/K/Qabblah thread, the board is a fearsomely eye-stabby place ATM.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:01 / 24.08.07
Am I in any way responsible for this? If so I come to apologize.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:10 / 24.08.07
Not for my personal eyebleed, old stick, no.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
13:19 / 24.08.07
Regrettably, I feel that as a moderator of several fora I cannot in good conscience put people on ignore just because they are Modzeroid, especially if I feel that that may start to shade over into problematic behaviour. So, it would kind of be a non-starter.

Still, since you're here, perhaps you could respond to this? Or, failing that, just disappear from this thread and hope nobody notices now, to save everyone a bit of time?



Predictions of future problematic behaviour, based on fabricated or non-existent evidence? Check.
Selective presentation of a poster's Babelith history? Check.
References (Modzeroid? Actually, don't tell me, I really don't care) that are frankly baffling to anybody fairly new to the board, but which will play just fine to a small gallery of influential stalwarts? Check.
Disingenuous 'heavy lies the crown' statements? Check.
Accusations of timewasting that are, frankly, about as logical as the hunter telling the fox off for making hir spend all Saturday chasing it through the forest? Check.

Look, I know you have this whole 'Haus' reputation thing to uphold and everything, but surely your belt holds enough (warranted and unwarranted) scalps by now? If you sincerely believe that I'm such a problematic poster, please start a dedicated Policy thread. If not, please stop this. It's beginning to feel a lot like bullying.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:30 / 24.08.07
Modzero was a problematic poster with an unbelievably irksome style. Despite being (briefly) made a moderator, his conduct deteriorated to the point where he was spamming the board and generally being a rather memorable troll. One feature of his decline was repeated accusations and attacks against Haus, never substantiated. This has since become a bit of a patern for other problematic posters who went on to require banning from the board, such that "repeated unsubstantiated accusations against one or more mods, esp. Haus" is now kind of a recognised warning sign that someone's about to go into meltdown.

Comments about scalps on belts, incidentally--not helping the onlooker to generate a warm'n'fuzzy feeling towards you. Bluntly, the onlook might be forgiven for formulating the following impression: you, chum, have been the purveyor of several rather eggy threads and posts for a fair while now. You do not respond well to criticism. You respond to criticism by making accusations and insinuations against the people who've pulled you up (X-ref the whattastic accusation linked to above). If you genuinely feel you're being bullied by a mod or mods, then you will surely be able to make a case for yourself. Otherwise you need to give it a rest.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:53 / 24.08.07
Yes, I suggest a calming down and a stepping back for a bit, or a new thread about kittens. I've tried to pull the Misogyny Watch thread into order.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:03 / 24.08.07
Look, I know you have this whole 'Haus' reputation thing to uphold and everything

Yeah, you just did it again.

So, I am sorry if you are feeling bullied. In the style of your apology in Swtichboard, I think it is utterly ludicrous for you to feel bullied, and cretinous to believe that this was in any way the intended effect, or that insufficient care was taken, but I certainly apologise. I felt bullied when you constructed a tower of ad hominem Babel based on my scandalous refusal to use your current name, for which behaviour you had expressed no desire, and then, when it was pointed out first that this was silly, responded:

Thanks for putting a nice gloss on that, TTS. I'd like to believe that you're right.

And then, when it was pointed out that this was arrant nonsense, and that I called people by their more memorable or stable names regardless of whether or not I agreed with them - supporting this with reference to actual fact - went oddly silent. It's OK to disappear rather than acknowledge that you made a baseless and untrue allegation, but the other side of the deal is that you then have to never do anything that will make pointing out that you did appropriate. That's the tricky part, and where people generally fall down.


However, bullying and feelings of bullying are serious and best avoided. To ensure that neither of us feels put in this situation again, I suggest not a) trying to reboot every banning thread as if it only started when you got involved, which seems rather more like wanting to be Head Prefect than anything I have done lately, and b) not being a douche in the hope that people will be blinded by the spray - Modzero, for your unwilling reference, basically got banned because he preferred to troll rather than take responsibility for the slightest error. Not making things up and then running away will make you unassailable on the grounds of making things up and then runnning away, for example. I will happily take on board any suggestions you might have to help you not to feel bullied by me.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
16:34 / 24.08.07
Between that mess and the bloody C/K/Qabblah thread, the board is a fearsomely eye-stabby place ATM.

The Qabbalah thread doesn't really bother me, I think that sort of conflict is bound to happen and there is no way we can stop it. There's going to be conflict when deeply help ideas are challenged, and we really can't count on everyone who identifies as an "occultist" to have a high enough level of maturity to make the Temple not a little eye-stabby.

I think we can all agree that having your ideas challenged occasionally is a very fruitful exercise, but it is, to many, still an unpleasant one when one doesn't expect it. There's no surprise for me when this leads to a little snark.

What annoys me is that I still haven't thought of a healthy way of dealing with it.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
18:42 / 24.08.07
Haus, you can all me any username you like. Really. Just so long as you call me.

It wasn't so much that I was running away from the whole name-gate episode in the Mathlete/SJJ banning thread, rather that I went on holiday. Much as I might of liked to continue the conversation, the rude stable in which I spent an invigorating vacation was not equipped with broadband (there were, though, plenty of high horses, and I spent many an instructive hour getting down from them - perhaps you'd like the address, it's a very relaxing place?). On my return, I realised it was best not to revisit the thread, not least because the still non-banned Mathlete/SJJ was now lying low, and any resurrection of it might have caused him to pop his head above the parapets, with possibly unpleasant consequences for the board / him. On reflection, though, I should have done you the courtesy of sending you a brief PM apologising for over-interpreting your use of my old screen name. Not to do so seems an especially bad call now that you've told me you felt bullied by my over-interpretation. Please consider that PM sent.

It'd be great if you could demonstrate my attempts to reboot every banning thread as if it only started when [I] got involved. I could be wrong of course, but IIRC I've only ever contributed to three banning threads. One was Epop's, which anybody would be hard pressed to argue that I attempted to reboot, although at the time I got a mild, almost avuncular ticking off from you, Haus, for attempting to prove that Epop was Alan Moore, and, in a more real way, Al Gore. The second was DeDI's. In that case, I created a new thread in which various complaints against DeDI across a number of threads and forums could, if posters felt it was useful, be collated. When the mods felt that it'd be better to carry out the discussion in one of the original threads, this was my response. Notice that I'm not exactly gnashing my teeth in frustration that my attempted 'reboot' failed to catch fire. A third thread was Mathlete's/SSJ's, where I made a suggestion that he shout ''You're not my real Dad!' at you, put you on ignore for a bit, and start a thread on Iron John. The point at which you got upset with me was when I quoted one of your own typos back at you. Following that, as anyone who's read further will see, you started to accuse me of a desire to reset the Matrix(!), and wipe the fact that several board members had called for Mathlete/SJJ's banning from our collective memories. I pointed out that I didn't feel it necessary to mention that several people have moved for a ban, because to my mind that much was already clear from the thread, which would have already been read in its entirety by any resposible reader before they arrived at my postings. After that meat, it was all name-gate gravy, and nothing to do with 'rebooting' the ban thread (or not) whatsoever. Not that that figures now, really, what with me saying you can call me by any ficsuit monicker you like, just so long as I'm the object of your ever lovin' attention.

Like I said, if there were any other banning threads that I contributed to, it'd be great if you could point them out to me. Maybe there'll be some evidence of my apparently reboot-happy ways there.

I will happily take on board any suggestions you might have to help you not to feel bullied by me.

Very kind of you. Avoiding the negative behaviours on my checklist upthread covers much of this ground. Please let me know which, if any of them, you would be willing to avoid in future, if indeed you feel you exhibit any of them now.

One last thing: you reaching for the word douche as a term of abuse with which to describe me. My understanding is that a douche is a device used to introduce water into the vagina for the purposes of hygiene, contraception, or to treat an infection. As your use of the word was perjorative, this seems to indicate a possible aversion on your behalf to A) vaginal hygiene, B) pregnancy, C) vaginal health, D) the thought of the insertion of an object into the vagina, or E) the vagina itself. Another possibility is that you, along with large number of gynaecologists outside the US, consider the douche to be a device that is inimical to vaginal health, upsetting as it does the pH of the vagina and, the anti-douche lobby maintain, putting the user at risk of yeast infections. If this is the case, might I suggest that you could replace the perhaps hot-button word 'douche' in your arsenal of put downs with 'nylon underwear' or 'very tight jeans'. You could also compliment somebody by calling them 'yoghurt'.

Your position vis-a-vis the douche debate notwithstanding, please tell me why you feel the need to employ a word so closely associated with the vagina as a term of abuse. Also, can I expect you to call me (or indeed any other poster you wish to insult), say, a tampon?

Thanks.
 
 
Princess
18:56 / 24.08.07
Douche is either of the down stairs orrifices.
JSYK.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:03 / 24.08.07
Likes his bold text, doesn't he?
 
 
The Falcon
19:45 / 24.08.07
Incidentally, re: douche, this didn't seem so problematic a term earlier this week.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
22:50 / 24.08.07
I'll be very upset if I can't call someone a douche bag without upsetting or offending people (except the douche in question, obviously. That tool can cram it with walnuts).
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:43 / 24.08.07
Any hole can have a douche. To the tune of the Eastenders theme tune.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
00:04 / 25.08.07
Because in all the years the 'lith has been active, despite all the long, involved conversations we've had about the c-word and the b-word and misogyny in perjoratives, despite all the contributors who took gender studies at Big Skool, in all that time and through all those discussions, none of us, not one, took the time to look the word "douche" up in a dictionary.

I'd insert a comedy sound effect or a reference to gnawing through a hard object, but really I feel more as if I'm compulsively picking lint off an endless roll of grey felt. Forever.
 
 
iamus
00:07 / 25.08.07
That's life.

That's what all the people say.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
00:13 / 25.08.07
Voy a duchar ahora mismo, que me siento sucio.
 
 
grant
00:28 / 25.08.07
Ich fühle schmutzig; ich muß duschen.

(Thanks to Babelfish, but I did remember the verb in German.)

(On the other hand, I remember the verb because it always made me snicker as a teenager.)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
00:39 / 25.08.07
If we're looking for Barbelithy insults that involve copious quantities of fluid, there's always an absolute shaaaah.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:28 / 25.08.07
If calling someone a douche isn't okay, can we call them a turd sandwich?

As it is, threads like this bring me down as I can't remember who people were before they changed their suit names. I swear, if Haus changed his name to something like 'the duck pond', in a months time I'd be squinting suspiciously at something he said going "b'aint you new around 'ere?"
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:50 / 25.08.07
The second was DeDI's. In that case, I created a new thread in which various complaints against DeDI across a number of threads and forums could, if posters felt it was useful, be collated.

Breaking out the "I feel" statements: When you started that thread, Magick, I was actually pretty put out. Due to comments you made at the time, I felt that you were minimising a) DeDI's lousy behaviour and b) the--fairly substantial--efforts by myself and others to engage with him in a reasonable way. It appeared to me that you did, as it were, wish to hit the re-set button and carry on as if none of the previous name-calling, thread-rot and abusive PMs had happened and thus as if I'd taken the more combatative stance I later adopted from the word go, instead of bending over backwards to treat the creature with some compassion and obtain a peaceful resolution. I smarted about that, but chose to take the interpretation that you were basically a good egg and hadn't really meant it that way. You have since given me cause to revise that assessment.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
23:11 / 25.08.07
LTIY, the DeDI thread was an attempt to establish a single place where DeDi's various pan-thread and pan-forum instances of ickiness could be focused upon. Nothing more to it than that. I'm sorry that you feel it was anything else but that, and that those feelings caused you to smart.
 
 
Slim
02:52 / 27.08.07
The "$60 million..." thread in the Switch forum deserves a swift and brutal ending.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:34 / 28.08.07
Would you care to explain why, Slim?
 
 
Mug Chum
09:56 / 28.08.07
I don't think it should get an ending. But I pulled my own hair a few times while reading some parts of it.

(and it sort of feels like if one would use the same words to get into Iran today that they used to get into Iraq, they wouldn't remember how they got into that ditch in the first place at all. It was weird, as I read it I suddenly "got" what 300 was a bit about).
 
 
Pingle!Pop
06:27 / 29.08.07
I'd be quite pleased to see it end. And it seems it has, and already had by the time Slim wrote hir post.

That said, I'd really like people to be a bit more specific and if they have a problem with what I've written, say so. I've already clarified with Tsuga re: hir post above that ze didn't have me in mind, but in general, broad attacks like Slim's just make me anxious.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:27 / 29.08.07
Well, historically Slim has always had a pretty distinctive take on issues of American foreign policy, relative to the rest of Barbelith.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
08:37 / 29.08.07
Oh, I know - thank'ee. But there have been plenty of threads which aren't exactly complimentary of US foreign policy, and I'm not aware any of them have received the response that they "deserve a swift and brutal ending", which makes me feel that what I've written in that thread is perceived as being about on a par with "islamofascism lol". Which, well, feels a bit horrifying.
 
  

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