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ONLY NICE THINGS
15:07 / 07.08.07
Hands up, I wasn't trying to contribute anything useful at all - I was distracted by the oportunity to learn about the Clinton impeachment case from an expert, and was quite offtopic. Bad form, Hauser.
 
 
Ticker
15:43 / 07.08.07
everyone's best intent to try and contribute something useful.

I dispute that.


I read the thread as everyone trying to post something they thought would move the discussion forward or lend aid, or resolve weirdness, or offer insight, or express their perception. Very few people IME, actually cast themselves as the villain or even devil's advocate. Mostly they feel a compulsion to speak their truth as they perceive it.

I do not read the thread as people trying to be disruptive simply for the sake of being unhelpful or outright nasty for just the sake of trolling (sorry Haus I thought you were trying to be helpful too).

But my experience is profoundly different than yours both in regards to history and in thread positions so I can understand why our readings are not the same.
 
 
Lurid Archive
15:53 / 07.08.07
I think he meant "Paleface", if it helps.

Erm, yes, I did. Now if only we had some mechanism for changing what was written after it appeared...ah well, nevermind.
 
 
HCE
16:20 / 07.08.07
Oh, sorry, Papers - I think I got the names wrong as well.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:37 / 07.08.07
Oddly enough, I was just taking a long, unflinching look at whether my sense of spriritual exhaustion with the Temple in general and certain hefty posters therein in particular were not motivated primarily by extra-curricular factors, notably the Forum-killingly negative impact on the Head Shop, my poor starved baby.


I need to bottle my sense of timing.
 
 
Ticker
16:58 / 07.08.07
Haus, I feel the need to send you chocolates and possibly a bottle of 16 year single malt irish whiskey for your troubles. Or my troubles. Or our troubles?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:52 / 07.08.07
Maybe we all need chocolates and whisky. I know I do.

Oh, my little Barbemonkeys. How I love you so.
 
 
Papess
22:12 / 07.08.07
That sure didn't go over half as well as I had hoped. On the other hand, it wasn't half as bad either.

Pass over some whiskey, Papers. How about some chocolate flavoured whiskey? Sounds like a cure-all to me.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:17 / 08.08.07
Everytime someone pulls the where is my missing father, doesn't the authority care anymore routine in Policy I want to shoot myself in the head.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:25 / 08.08.07
I would like to go on record as NOT NEEDING ANY OF THIS SHIT EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BUT ESPECIALLY NOT RIGHT NOW.
 
 
matthew.
21:41 / 11.08.07
I'm annoyed Barbelith has been so quiet recently. What's the problem? Get your asses back in the computer chair and start typing.

And you... yeah, you, Ganesh, get your trunk online. Bring Xoc. But leave ShadowSax at the door... he's still wet and he'll shake off the water onto the carpet. Gross.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:55 / 11.08.07
It's summertime, of course the Lith is quiet. Have some whisky to calm your nerves.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
23:29 / 11.08.07
An excellent idea.

*pours*
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:51 / 17.08.07
I'm not usually one to complain, I quite like all the rough and tumble, but teh board's pretty much ground to a halt now, hasn't it?


To the point where it actually seems less interesting than Byrne Robotics.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:39 / 17.08.07
When it's made clear that nothing is ever going to change here and when there's a potential alternative in the works - two, thinking about it - then it's probably not all that surprising that nearly everybody's given up on this board. As was suggested in P&H the other day, this seems to be little more than a place where we're all staying for the time being just so that we know as soon as one of those alternatives becomes a reality.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:58 / 17.08.07
It's quite depressing to think, though, that pretty much everything that's gone wrong with Barbelith is tracable back to the actions of a lonely, angry man.

He was a bit before my time, but still, he hav done the psychic scorpion sting, thing, he hav remove the aura, and there be no hope for anyone left, now.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:02 / 18.08.07
Oh, I don't think it was him at all. It was the rest of us, how we allowed that experience to change our reaction to new members and how we tried to change the board to suit, but got it all arse-about-tit.

And this was inevitable sooner or later, anyway, even if that hadn't happened. Change or die, innit. Can't change.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:12 / 18.08.07
Out of interest though, EW (this might be relevant to whatever new board's on the way - I'm not asking just to be difficult) how would you have gone about things differently?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:39 / 18.08.07
Well, it's easy to say all of this with the benefit of hindsight, obviously. At the time, there were real worries about people's safety off the board, so panicked solutions are entirely understandable. But.

I wouldn't have got rid of super-moderators and I'd have given them increased power to deal with the obvious trolls more quickly. I think it might need pointing out that even when Tom was here, we were still having to PM and email him on - at worst - a daily basis in order to get suits locked down. We've *never* had an effective troll-management solution and that's something that really isn't too difficult to come up with, in principle. We should have looked around and asked outselves why the hell we were having so much trouble keeping one person out, when every other damn board out there was managing to cope with that stuff without it ending up in stalker territory.

So I'd have kept super-moderators and allowed them to ban people based on, say, three votes. Four SMs, three votes between them for a ban. I'd have worked around the problem of those SMs becoming targets for the trolls off-board by rotating them every month or so, but only when there were real problems. Something like that. Because people were being tracked down to their home addresses and places of work - it wasn't just regular trolling, it was pure wrongbrain hurtybadlonely mentalism.

And then I'd have calmed down a bit. Which we did, to be fair, but the super-mod post was never reinstated and we still never had a proper banning mechanism, which totally fucked us over when membership reopened and we went Googletastic. Which is why we've got what we have now, with this stupid applications system.

So, super-mods would be able to ban. The people in those positions would be those who everybody trusts implicitly, but who also don't tend to allow themselves to lose it with the trolls when they do appear - I'd be saying people like grant, Stoatie, Boboss. Actually, grant was one of the SMs previously and didn't, afaik, get a huge amount of shit for it. The positions were filled based based on visibility on the board, length of service and whether or not Tom knew the people well enough, and those were clearly not the best criteria to select on.

Sorry, it's late and my head's not too clear, so I'm repeating myself and probably making no sense in the process. If you want to avoid slow death of a board, you need three things that we don't have here:

Open membership
The ability to ban immediately
Technical administration

And, given how contentious a lot of older Barbelith discussions could be in the wider context of the Internet, I'd also not have the entire board viewable by Google.

And I'd also drop the flighty notion of Barbelith being a work-in-progress towards some kind of message board utopia - the Supreme Plan for World Peace and Message Board Democracy. Nice idea, but as soon as the person who's come up with that vision loses interest in it, forgets about it or finds something better to do with their time, you're fucked, stuck in mid-development. All of the stuff that's unique to Barbelith was meant to be work-in-progress. There's not been anybody here to see whether or not it does work, let alone to do anything about it if it doesn't.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:42 / 18.08.07
Oh, and I'd put a time limit on those awful banning discussion threads, plus whack a really simple polling system into them.
 
 
sTe
01:05 / 18.08.07
annoy.. myself and to stop annoying the people I love
 
 
sTe
01:07 / 18.08.07
specially when I.m drunk...... wheres lateshift when I need some cheering up?

ok I could actually do that myself ...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
02:56 / 18.08.07
BASICALLY, it all went tits-up when we stopped open registration.

It seemed like a shit idea at the time, and, you know what? Looking back, it was A SHIT IDEA.
 
 
matthew.
03:50 / 18.08.07
I sort of think already that Barbelith is dead and that makes me sad. Some of the brightest and best people have up and left. Even fucking Dead Megatron seems to be posting less. Le sigh.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
04:06 / 18.08.07
That's Mr fucking Dead Megatron to you, chief.

As it is to all of us, in some ways.
 
 
Dead Megatron
04:18 / 18.08.07
I'll take that as a compliment, I guess

But, hey, Matthew, every relationship has its wild passionate phase and its peaceful routine phase. It doesn't mean I love you any less.
 
 
This Sunday
18:50 / 22.08.07
Bit of functionality missing: Bad Mood Post-Stopper.

I can't be the only one who would benefit from a weird digitaly sensor that reads a poster's emotional state and prevents the Post Reply button from actually functioning. Until the poster returns to being functional, themselves. Or at least witty in their bitterness.

They invented one already? Self-restraint, you say? I'd trust the machine over that.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:09 / 23.08.07
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNK POSTING? Where would it go? My god, we'd all be so painfully sober all the time. I kind of like that there's bad moments on the Lith. I dunno. Keeps it fresh.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:34 / 23.08.07
Euston Manifuckto, more like.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:22 / 23.08.07
They invented one already? Self-restraint, you say? I'd trust the machine over that

Certainly, DN, I've thought of you very differently since you, bravely, posted that photo. But, not to be ashamed! I'm also *coff* in my 'early Fifties', and we're all getting closer to the source of creation, aren't we, day by day?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:35 / 23.08.07
(I hope to be the first person on Barbelith to post from beyond the grave; I'll be complaining about something, of course, but still ...)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:41 / 23.08.07
This is a Temple. It is made of a largely unfounded sense of entitlement + FAIL.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:17 / 23.08.07
But what if I had just shot myself?

What then?

I'm still on-line, and I'm going to church tomorrow.It's

the Lord's day! If your whole, cynical universe (which is

presumably all about 'drugs',) then so be it.

Enjoy morphif you must! It never did me any harm, as

far as I'm concerned!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:21 / 23.08.07
'This thread is so depressing that I may have to kill myself ...'

It would be 'meta' in a way.
 
 
Tsuga
22:27 / 23.08.07
I imagine an older version of what appear to be currently quite young people, reading back on what they wrote while "debating issues" and wincing. But maybe that's just my imagination lol.
Truthfully, I'm old, and can look back a month and wince at what I wrote, so I'm one to talk.
 
  

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