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The Dark Knight - speculation and news

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17:18 / 28.07.07

Seems to me that those police reports give a pretty clear indication of some of the Joker orientated plot points.

I'm gonna hide the next bit of my thinking, because it's based on that video I linked to above.

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17:59 / 28.07.07

some impressions on the Joker visual characterization:

the suit is spot-on. realistic as per Nolan's goals, yet retains the clownish aspects of the comics.

well, i like Ledger's voice, a lot, actually. even if at the end of the teaser he sounds a bit like Nicholson. maybe he was taking the piss off Dent and other runners for Gotham's general attorney position. "i'm a man of my word".

I have to say, though, that the painted on white make-up let me down a bit. too much Realism can screw something like the Batman's mythology, which has a bizarre-Fantastic quality to it; a while ago there was a rumour stating the Joker could be an albino, so they didn't have to drop him in chemical bath.

I can see why the lipstick choice - guess he applies it in the comics as well, but in the movie he will be reduced to a very crazy crook with scars coming out of his mouth who has to spend time putting on make-up before leaving for a robbery.

or maybe... the movie ends with him falling into a container filled with anal bleaching fluid...

yeah, the long hair is pretty the-batman-cartoon Joker, but it wouldn't have hurt to see him in a proper Morrisey do, hehe. Ledger is clearly balding [takes one balding guy to spot another], so i wonder if he asked Nolan not to have his mane cut off. it looks like the same lenght and care he sported in CANDY, hehe. ok, that was too much talk about hair.

one guy i know told me if Heath gets to kiss Rachel that's two Gyllenhalls he scored...

19:19 / 28.07.07

I don't know, Hector. Usually I'm sort of a purist when it comes down to comic book adaptations, but the idea that the Joker actually wants to look like a nightmare version of a clown, building on the Chelsea smile he probably got during his early years as a sociapathic criminal, makes him even more scray than the cartoon/comic "I-can't-help-but-to-be-like-this" version of the Joker.

If that is even possible...

19:20 / 28.07.07

and again, "scray" means "scary"

20:28 / 28.07.07

hm, you good point there...

i wonder if they'll show anything regarding his origin and how that will go if they do.

yeah, we're a year away from it, still. =(

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

21:41 / 28.07.07

Yeah I'm totally okay with the white skin being make-up rather than real. That's mainly because this Joker has the mouth scarring going on, and thus is disfigured anyway, and that works just as well as anything for giving him the bad day that made him what he is.

22:02 / 28.07.07

If he deliberately bleaches his own skin by the end... if there's even the hint that this is all just horrible DIY modifications... have I mentioned the only part of the Burton Joker I really liked was the 'fully-functioning homicidal artist' stuff? Arthouse emo gone wrong. The Warhol of Hell. With a bitter little thug at the heart of it, laughing his ass off at the absurdity and the reality.

He does, from the teaser and the various ad campaigns so far, seem very project oriented.

Actually, I could stand a bit of Riddler and Two-Face and whomever else they want to throw in. Harley or the Ventriloquist. It'd hammer home that crossed-line, backlash, arms race thing. And it would force them to purify and make minimal translation-adjustments to the villains, because you'd have to play them in broad, mythic strokes and get on with the narrative. (This is why they don't put people like me in charge of these things. This, and the goosing.)

00:14 / 29.07.07

One thing I always loved about Batman stories is the way they make villains whose concept is so patheticaly ludricous seem really terryfing. I mean, the Ventriloquist? How can a guy who talks through a wooden doll be a mob leader? But then, teh guy is shown as a disturbed man with a incapability to act on his own homicidal impulses and then projects them into the puppet, who ends up becoming so vicious even the guy is afraid of him (not to mention his entire crew of battle-weary mobsters) takes a whole new dimension of terror (how can you reason with such a disturbed individual, and the only way you'll stay alive a little longer is to play along?). And that just one of the many examples, amongs which I can count the Croc (side-show guy deformed from birth who degenerates into animalistic canibalism), Poison Ivy (botanic scientist who can kill you with a kiss), Firefly (arsonist in a flying bug suit who gets sexualy aroused by burning people), and so on.

Not to mention the guy in clown costume who has a deathtoll up to four digits, of course. Gotham City must be a creepy place indeed.

02:37 / 29.07.07

this hellish city angle in being played since BEGINS, and it's cool. i like how a lot of leaked videos showing the Chicago shooting has action in and around old buildings. that's a good thing about the realistic approach: it's a creepy crime movie in the end - but with bizarre key players. the Joker is a gangster when it comes down to what he's set out to do.

The Natural Way

10:21 / 29.07.07

I think that's completely wrong, Hec. The trailer spells out why.

The Natural Way

12:52 / 30.07.07

That wasn't me, by the way. That was Boboss.

The Natural Way

12:56 / 30.07.07

But I agree with him. The Trailer states explicity that the Joker is more than a mobster, that in the end he's a force outside of their control.

01:51 / 17.08.07

Don't click if you don't want to ruin the Joker look, the Batman look or hell any kind of look at this movie.

Get 'em while you can.

02:05 / 17.08.07

If only there were going to suddenly be a half-dozen Batmen and the whole movie consisted of Joker and Batman kicking each other around various sets with minimal interference. If only.

But, nice. If the Joker could tilt his neck a little and smile a bit broader, it'd be nicer, but y'know it's a long ways to release and indicative of nothing, et cetera.

07:46 / 17.08.07

Bat-computer's in then.

11:24 / 17.08.07

Jason Statham as a lawyer, though? What's all that about.

14:17 / 17.08.07

pics are here, for those who missed.

mildly spoilerish

everything is so BRIGHT.

14:24 / 17.08.07

I think a few of them are very spoilerish, but cheers for supplying a link

11:31 / 18.08.07

Apparently there are hundreads of spoilery (rumors?) out there, if anyone is too curious for their own good.

(sort of big) SPOILER:

Only one I've read (and ended up liking) was about the possibility of Joker having two layers of make-up (one pretending to be normal skin, and the white one, him actually having some sick bizarre white skin underneath it all, maybe to cover that up or some weird Joker thing -- no idea how that could be, but I can imagine a Killer Joke type of twist in the interrogation room (since we've had the "make-up off" photo already).

I'm really excited to see Ledger's delivery. On a film that without the superhero name you'd think it's a oscar-pandering film by the names on the poster, from Christopher fuckin Nolan. Isn't a great time to be a fanboy?

11:47 / 18.08.07

There's the bit in the Burton Batman where Joker's done up with peachy fleshtone makeup and ooh, big cheap jump moment when he's doused with water and it washes off. Or something.

I do believe Nolan and Co. could make me appplaud in the theatre at a momentous reveal of the facade beneath the facade like that.

17:51 / 21.08.07

I'm really excited to see Ledger's delivery

The one Joker line we hear in the teaser ("Starting tonight, people will die. I'm a man of my word" [laugh]), his delivery sounded very good to me. Very psychotic, with a hash breathing that reminded me of a pervert making phone calls to women in the end. Kinda like jack Nicholson's rendition, minus the cartoonish sense of humour of Tim Burton's movie.

03:34 / 31.10.07

whysoserious.com, which for the past weeks had a half-rotten jack-o-lantern very similar to THE LONG HALLOWEEN's now has a new game on:

put a puzzle together that'll lead to some new promo stuff [a teaser poster, maybe?]. each piece is located in a different American city, though.

14:54 / 31.10.07

Didn't one of the composers end up accidentally releasing what's said to be the teaser poster?

15:24 / 31.10.07

Looks fan made to me.

15:38 / 31.10.07

That's definitely a fan job.

20:23 / 31.10.07

hit the site again; it took the whole day for the site to compute the data fans had sent to complete the puzzle.

it formed a Joker-esque sentence, unearthed a new pic of Heath [with sound] and sent people to a new Halloween play at another site.

a new teaser trailer wouldn't have hurt...

08:50 / 01.11.07

Christmas innit

08:54 / 01.11.07

Woooooo!

10:04 / 01.11.07

they're in the right track, i suppose. check out panel 5, from BATMAN #1:

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11:02 / 01.11.07

Personally I love that image - and if that's what they're shooting for then I'm going to be a very happy bunny (at least as far as the Joker's look is concerned)

12:11 / 01.11.07

He looks mighty fine to me, there's something crow-y that seems aptly Joker-ish for Begins' tone in my head more and more for some reason. But I'm really anxious to see what he and Nolan cooked up for the final product.

(and also really excited to see Batman and the Joker playing Bob Dylan in that biopic)

20:15 / 23.11.07

Friday is Batnews day

Imax shoot behind the scenes featurette includes Batmanaction, batmobilaction and explodaction.

[sorry to link to my own blog, but it's easier to chose as both the Imax and the Youtube widgets are there]

two new viral sites have been launched today

http://www.wearetheanswer.org/

and

http://thegothamtimes.com/

this last one is fun, lots of news from the city to help dive into the movie's context. people who submitted their own pics in Joker make-up to rorysdeathkiss.com have received print copies in the mail.

01:21 / 24.11.07

text in the gotham times contain hidden links that lead to...

http://www.rememberinggina.org/

http://www.gothampolice.com/

and http://www.thehahahatimes.com/

15:52 / 24.11.07

If you take all the red-circled words in the hahahatimes.com site, and count the number of each letters in each circle, then use a standard A-1 chart to turn the numbers back into letters, you get

WHYSOSERIOUSDOTCOMPERSONALITYPROFILE

04:19 / 25.11.07

Just scored a copy off The Gotham Times, which many people were avoiding like it was a Mormon/Jesuit/MindHead doubleheader Chick Tract, but both my friend and I were all over like rabid geeks. If you're going to advertise, this is the way to go. Swag is always good, even if the movie turns out to be junk later, and I don't see that happening here. Still if everyone's avoiding taking the things, that ain't so great.

And I'm back to wanting a Bats-goosing by ye Joker, 'cause I'm like that.

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