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The Dark Knight - speculation and news

 
  

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:32 / 02.06.07
The whole point was that it was supposed to be grounded in the real world though, so sadly self awareness of the DCUnes of the character wasn't going to be in there.

Well, that wasn't what I was talking about. I meant the film being self-aware. Of itself. As a film. I'm having trouble articulating exactly what I meant, but the "grounded in the real world" doesn't really fly with me on several counts, primarily because (typically), "real world" as a concept seems to equal "grim and soppy."
 
 
The Falcon
17:54 / 03.06.07
...I'm pretty critical of Begins, particularly the awkwardly misogynistic undercurrents (reinforced, possibly, more due to bad writing and acting rather than a specific agenda)...

I imagine I might regret asking this, but really, Papers? I'd watch it again, and it'd be far from a chore, but I doubt I'd see much more than Katie Holmes being a moral compass and pushing really the only one aspect of Batman, the anti-gun, that prevents the character being a complete right-wing wet dream. I mean, she's about the only female character and so, I suppose, in a kinda Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels way I suppose you could construe the film as excluding of women and thereby somewhat sexist, but even that seems a stretch. So - really???

(I hasten to add: I think the drive to identify and purge discriminatory forces is generally a noble one in execution, and I'm purely driven to this inquiry because thing I love [Batman Begins - I really do love it] would be spoilt by presence of thing I hate [misogyny], so apologies if this seems blustery.)
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
18:47 / 03.06.07
Der Falke - I agree with you in spirit, but I think the problem with Holmes's character is in fact her acting - what should be a strong character (her first reaction to BaleBat is to taser him in the chest, ffs) is made a lot less so by her frankly weak portrayal of such. As it is, in contrast with Bale, Caine &c, her character is far more of an extraneous damsel-in-&c element than she should be. This is why I'd like to see the Brubaker-Catwoman or Steph Brown in one of these films - so that we can see BaleBat interacting with a strong righteous woman in the same way he does with, say, Gordon, making the film less of a Freudian-daddy-fest and maybe more about more interesting psychoses. I quite like the idea of film-canon Batman/Robin being scotched because Robin is female and the Bat loves only Commissioner Jim. Gets rid of the uncomfortable public idea of Batman as latex nonce without killing the (very enjoyable) queer reading of the character. And I'd love to see a Robin costume done in the style of these films' Batsuit, not to mention girlRobin done on the big screen...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:37 / 03.06.07
I imagine I might regret asking this, but really, Papers? I'd watch it again, and it'd be far from a chore, but I doubt I'd see much more than Katie Holmes being a moral compass and pushing really the only one aspect of Batman, the anti-gun, that prevents the character being a complete right-wing wet dream. I mean, she's about the only female character and so, I suppose, in a kinda Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels way I suppose you could construe the film as excluding of women and thereby somewhat sexist, but even that seems a stretch. So - really???

Actually, I'm far more troubled by the fact that MY PARENTS ARE DEAD!!!11!! in so far as the movie is concerned, is transmuted to "My parents are dead. And by 'parents,' I mean my Wonderful Supremely Wicked Daddy and that woman that we'll refer to once as my mother and ultimately fail to acknowledge for the rest of the movie. Even when she's in the picture, standing next to Daddy.' At least in Superman Returns Martha Kent was a presence, even if she was often a silent one; Martha Wayne doesn't even get that.

Katie Holmes was badly miscast and ultimately the character failed on the grounds that it wasn't realistic to me that she'd make it to Assistant D.A. They couldn't keep her intelligence straight, either; it seems ridiculous that when a character is shown in one scene to drive a car and be fully aware of how dangerous it is to be out in the bad part of Gotham, that in a few short scenes she'll take the exceedingly decayed skytrain system by herself, at midnight.

It's not so much that it's a "No women!" argument as it is that the two particularly significant women in the story, his mother and his friend/girlfriend/confidante appear to be (in the case of his mother) barely acknowledged as having any kind of influence on his upbringing or value system or (in the case of Holmes's character) poorly written and inconsistent with regard to basic intelligence.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:47 / 03.06.07
...and, yes, part of the problem is that Holmes is a total miscast and fails to hold up her end of the bargain in the acting department.

On the writing-level, as an adaptation of a popular long-standing serial comic, I fail to see why the writers decided to go with the dubiously written generic pleading girlfriend when their inclusion of the Ra's Al Ghul stuff could have included the more striking female counterpart and love interest Talia, who - if cast effectively - could have added to the film's themes and would have made for a more useful romantic subplot. Which is partly a nerd argument and partly a frustration that they tossed aside an opportunity (one that could have been used to prefigure and suggest development toward the future inclusion of Catwoman and kinky interplay therein).
 
 
Triplets
00:11 / 04.06.07
Okay, but, why even say that? Batman Begins has been and done for two years now. Saying, "Oh! But what if!" is an exercise in the most extreme of fanboymachosism, surely?

If you're going to discuss this shit, re: Batman Begins, do it in the Batman Begins thread. Dude.
 
 
Triplets
00:13 / 04.06.07
For fuck's sake.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:43 / 04.06.07
Right, sorry, Trips.
 
 
Triplets
01:01 / 04.06.07
Actually, I apologise for the abrupt 'n' harsh tone but, I don't know, it's done. Batman Begins is done and, anyway, this is all about L'Dark Knight. What different paths they could have taken for the first film should be discussed in the Batman Begins thread.
 
 
Spaniel
07:09 / 15.06.07
New cossie

Likey

And...

An interesting car

Likey
 
 
FinderWolf
12:00 / 15.06.07
Me likey new cossie!
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
14:14 / 15.06.07
looks good under that light, but i have to say i didnt like it. more and more it's looking like the last suit from DKR - and in this case it's a bit out of TRON or ROBOCOP.

nananananananaaaaaa, crowd-controllllll!
 
 
Seth
22:36 / 15.06.07
The new costume is much better. Sleek. And neck movement is always helpful in a scrap innit.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:03 / 16.06.07
Heath Joker fan-made action figure.

neat, actually, all things considered.
 
 
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06:22 / 16.06.07
and in this case it's a bit out of TRON or ROBOCOP.

Yeah at first sight I thought it looked a bit too mechanical-like too. I'm sure it won't bother me that much though, and I'm seriously looking forward to this, it could be a classic.

2008 is faaar away though, damn..
 
 
Spaniel
11:13 / 16.06.07
YO! That's pretty much exactly what I think, also I think we'd all do well to remember that Batman is likely to spend most of the film in the shadows so it's unlikely he's gonna look all robo.
 
 
FinderWolf
02:47 / 17.06.07
Plus, the lighting will usually be darker on the costume, I would think... early pics of the costume from Batman Begins had some people scratching their heads at the seemingly light grey rubber, but in the movie it's almost always in approriate shadow.

I dig that he's standing on a police car in that pic.
 
 
Spaniel
07:04 / 17.06.07
He is? Cool
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
17:25 / 18.06.07
The link, it lies!
 
 
Spaniel
17:40 / 18.06.07
Again!
 
 
Triplets
18:10 / 18.06.07
That looks ridiculous.
 
 
Seth
18:18 / 18.06.07
In a good way.
 
 
Spaniel
18:26 / 18.06.07
Like the Tumbler, which was also great.

I really sooperbadly want to read the script of this'un. I read the script to Begins and it didn't spoil the movie one jot. TDK seems to under lock and key, though.
 
 
Triplets
18:37 / 18.06.07
Don't get me wrong, I'm trying to love it, but... I think it's the way Bats is sitting. He looks like he should be riding a little Shriner Batmobile.

 
 
Spaniel
19:07 / 18.06.07
It'll be the shit when we see it in action. It is truth
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
00:00 / 19.06.07
not like that, Bizarro.

check this TODAY show video of the movie bike; one of the hosts is lying on the batbike, belly down.
 
 
CameronStewart
00:54 / 19.06.07
I'd be willing to bet good money that the bike separates from the Tumbler as some kind of escape vehicle - it's apparently called the Batpod (as in escape pod) rather than the Batcycle.
 
 
Spaniel
07:56 / 19.06.07
There was a rumour along those lines which was apparently quashed, but it looks a lot like an escape pod to me, particularly when you take into account the position Bats takes when he drives the Tumbler.
 
 
Spaniel
08:02 / 19.06.07
This might well be some pretty major spoilerage, in that, if for real, it reveals a couple of big plot points. Brandon over at Filmick seems to think that it fits with a lot of what he's already heard, and, well, it has the ring of truth - at the very least it sounds plausible.
 
 
Spaniel
08:03 / 19.06.07
(I can penetrate the fx and accent, so if people want help deciphering it let me know)
 
 
CameronStewart
12:37 / 19.06.07
That's really not a mouth that should be seen in extreme closeup.
 
 
Spaniel
12:38 / 19.06.07
LOL.

Not a lie
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
12:39 / 19.06.07
that spoiler video is weirder than anything that could have the Joker in.

here's the batsuit pic in high res [he's on the police car roof indeed]

don't think this was posted here: Harvey Dent and the new Rachel spotted.
 
 
Spaniel
13:00 / 19.06.07
1st link isn't working, Hec
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
13:44 / 19.06.07
sorry, i had directly-linked the pic

this one should do the trick
 
  

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