Big Brother 2006

12:41 / 17.07.06

I cannot believe out of Jayne's ham acting, the fact that the housemates themselves felt sufficiently confident to confront her en masse, the fact that she was unable to provide a decent denial, the phoney "outrage" of the big brother tannoy over her misdeeds, and the fact that every other big brother site also seems to deem the idea worth serious consideration, all of this fails to persuade you to even ENTERTAIN the idea, lest your original, rather supercilious stance be proved wrong.

You to your corner, I, Suzie, Richard, et al to mine.

12:42 / 17.07.06

I tend not to put a great deal of stock in what Housemates think on such matters, given that Housemates are inclined to believe all kinds of crazy shit; being, as they are, locked up without access to information (or lack thereof) that we on the outside are privy to. As has been mentioned, they also believed (might still believe) that Nikki was going to Australia and that Susie was a plant.

12:43 / 17.07.06

Oh, I'll entertain it! Right now, I'm entertaining it.

Hmmmm.

Yeh, I reckon it's bollocks.

12:46 / 17.07.06

I tend not to put a great deal of stock in what Housemates think on such matters, given that Housemates are inclined to believe all kinds of crazy shit;

It shows. You seem to look down on them.

12:50 / 17.07.06

Do I? You reading minds again?

12:51 / 17.07.06

No claim to read your mind - look at what I wrote. You seem (to me) to look down on them.

12:57 / 17.07.06

Why do I seem to be looking down on them? Because I said their circumstances mean that they are inclined to suspect things that have no basis in fact?

Triplets

13:01 / 17.07.06

molefish, it's been 5 pages. Let it go or be a little less aggressive about it, please. This is about Big Brother 2006 not just OMG CONSPIRACY IN BIG BROTHER 2006. Do you see the difference? Do you see how you could be being a ta-a-a-d myopic?

I believe, personally, that Jayne's recent behaviour about being a plant is to do with soaking up the lovely, lovely, attention-rays she's getting. She's bending towards those like a pasiflora to the sun, which is the only "plant-like" behaviour I'm seeing.

How often do you spend on the internet talking about this, may I ask?

13:19 / 17.07.06

Now THAT was weird...

just looked up from the computer to see Michael stretched out on the floor, eyes closed, one arm stretched out with the other hand resting just above its elbow.

"Christ!" I thought. "Fucker's only gone and died of a smack overdose!!!"

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13:33 / 17.07.06

Supposing you are right (and I'm very sure you're not).

So what? Really, what would anyone (us, Endemol, housemates, plant) gain from a "plant".
And if she is then so are all the other people from the second house because if they wanted a plant for some reason they'd have to guarantee they got through or all their special secret sacred wars roach training would have been wasted.

Entertained and rejected. She's just a pain in the arse who realises there's such an air of paranoia that she can exploit it to freak the others out.

13:36 / 17.07.06

I suppose another way of looking at this is that, in a very real sense, they are all ‘plants’.

13:37 / 17.07.06

I have no doubt that she was chosen purely because she'd cause trouble, and that the producers are naturally capitalising on this as much as possible, but I don't think she's an actual plant. I'm not gonna completely discount the possibility, but my feeling is that she is as she appears- a deeply, deeply unpleasant person.

Now if Susie were any more dull I'd suspect she may be a plant, but only in the sense that she'd need watering.

Jub

13:46 / 17.07.06

Yeah - that seems likely.

I think enough's been said on the "plant" subject now. Move it along people... talk about something else!

13:54 / 17.07.06

The tabloid interviews with Nikki were quite good- they all had the line about Pete being "one of the most amazing, special people I've ever met", but one of them (think it was the New of the World, but I could be wrong) missed out the comma, making her seem far more patronising than I'm sure was her intention.

The Falcon

14:05 / 17.07.06

I think Nikki, post-eviction, on BBLB and the night has come across really, really well. I'm actually sorry about all those meen fings I said about her initially, she seems likeable and amusing.

14:06 / 17.07.06

I liked her until quite recently. Seeing her on BBLB reminded me why that was.

Jub

14:58 / 17.07.06

My favourite Nikki moment.

15:05 / 17.07.06

molefish, it's been 5 pages. Let it go or be a little less aggressive about it, please.

i am not being aggressive about it. goodness. what is calling a person a plank? a pacifist gesture?

i have indicated that i'm entirely happy to drop arguing about it - just that i don't want to be bullied out of mentioning it. and yes - of course it's myopic. that's what happens when people dig their heels in.

Jub

15:09 / 17.07.06

Cool. Now let's move on Mm'kay?

Mkay.

To be fair to secret goldfish, while watching BB Highlights last night I did wonder whether Jayne could be a plant or mole, simply because her obsessive rule-breaking behaviour and Big Brother's continued indulgence (even encouragement) of it were unlike anything I'd seen before on the show.

For the logical reasons people including me have given above, I don't think it's true. But I can understand someone thinking "there must be some explanation for this bizarre dynamic" and seeking a conspiracy.

What struck me most is that the show was working more as a fascinating psychological experiment last night than anything I'd seen on BB in many years; it was almost like a D. Brown mass hypnosis, the way Jayne kept doing whatever she could to sabotage the housemates and indirectly make their lives worse, and still almost every one of them laughed, applauded and refused to blame her.

Alex's Grandma

15:52 / 17.07.06

I suppose the lack of Jayne-hate makes sense if the other housemates think she's plant - as an Endemol employee she'd effectively be untouchable, and they may be worried about get their wrists slapped if they say bad things to her.

Jayne's strategy(?) of playing up to her supposed mole-status, however, doesn't seem entirely risk-free. Mainly, I just feel very sorry for the eleven year old daughter she apparently has.

16:30 / 17.07.06

I wouldn't worry, Grany- I imagine the kid has seized the opportunity to run away and join the circus.

Fantastic exchange between Richard and Spoiral just then- Richard's saying how he feels like a fish out of water in the house, because in his normal life he'd be surrounded by gay men, and it's weird being among all these heterosexuals, "but it's alright, I can-"

"Control it?"

"get on with them".

16:31 / 17.07.06

Actually, that's just revealed another level of wonderfulness- poor Spoiral, thinking gay men are always having to "control it" when they're around atractive young males, otherwise they'll turn into predatory... oh, hang on a minute...

16:43 / 17.07.06

Just this once I have to side with Glyn against Richard- Turning Japanese WAS about masturbation, wasn't it? Not the market bveing flooded with Japanese goods during the 80s...

dance margarita

16:48 / 17.07.06

i think the housemates are reaching slowly tipping point with jayne though, arent they? pete's joyous gritted teeth moment, aisleyne and jennie in bed talking about how her behaviour could really fuck them up, the bad vibe when she came galumphing into the bedroom at five past sleepy o' clock. there is that weird thing when youre spending a lot of time with a group of people and one of them is busting your hump, and you dont really want to be the first person to say anything befcause you dont know if its just you... i think thats where the housemates are at the moment, waiting for the first person to mention how much she's fucking them off so they can unload. im looking forward to seeing a snowballing of grievances over the next few days.

The Falcon

16:53 / 17.07.06

Aye, there was a moment between Susie and Aisleyne prior to that magnificent toothgrind where you thought 'they're getting to tipping point here, and no bloody wonder.'

16:54 / 17.07.06

Yes, Richard's "if you do that again I'm gonna rip your fucking lungs out and stuff them up your arse" really did seem only half-joking.

And for all I've criticised the guy, threats of violence- even jokey ones- aren't really his stock in trade. If I were Jayne I'd have been seriously considering shutting the fuck up forever after that. Apart from anything else, to make a hideous generalisation, a lot of the time I find it's the people who are hardest to wind up who are the ones you really DON'T want to reach that point with.

The Falcon

16:55 / 17.07.06

And say what you will of spineless Pete, he evidently does have pretty good taste in people - best pals: Richard and Aisleyne, grits teeth at: Jayne.

17:46 / 17.07.06

suppose the lack of Jayne-hate makes sense if the other housemates think she's plant

including Ais refusing to take the diary room bait and criticise Jayne for putting everyone else up for nomination, even after Jayne had behaved ina vile way toward her.

17:54 / 17.07.06

Actually, yes, the real fun comes without a plant, but with everyone in the house convinced there IS one... I've long thought those alien invasion stories would have been better if there were no aliens, and the paranoia was all...

We need Kurt Russell, a red-hot paperclip and a petri dish.

For a brief moment back there I found myself feeling a bit sorry for Jayne- she almost seems to be overdoing the "annoyingly jolly" thing because she KNOWS she's horrid but doesn't know how to change, and overcompensates hideously... then I remembered the backstabbing and slapped myself. What was I thinking?

Keep an eye on me guys. My desire to see the good in everyone may lead me into trouble.

Ganesh

17:55 / 17.07.06

I thought they were both quite ‘scene’. Didn’t they both recognise each other from going to the same clubs? (Maybe I misunderstand what ‘scene’ means). Is Richard more scene than Michael?

Yes, he is - in terms of tending to fit the buffed, waxed & plucked muscle queen thing to a greater extent. You're right, though, that there's much less of a difference between them in terms of the 'scene'/'non-scene' thing than, say, Josh and Brian. I suspect Richard's thrown himself into the gym-bunny, Trade-going hedonistic thing more than has Michael, and is more comfortable with his sexuality.

miss wonderstarr

18:00 / 17.07.06

think thats where the housemates are at the moment, waiting for the first person to mention how much she's fucking them off so they can unload

I think there was a moment yesterday, after the Rule School task-fail when the HMs were still in the front room, when Richard exchanged gritted glances with Suzie and one said to the other "I know just what you're thinking".

Richard looks a lot less like a gym bunny and rather more... cuddly when he has his vest off, I think. It's as though he concentrates on biceps and forgets about the tum.

Ganesh

18:02 / 17.07.06

sorry ganesh - but houseplant's reaction to being accused of being a mole in front of the whole house (being unable to keep a straight face, not being surprised, smirking, walking off) and then being unsurprised even when three hm's blockaded her in the bathroom as "a mole" seems rather good circumstantial evidence that she is, indeed a mole.

Sorry SG - but, frankly, I'd put more credence in throwing bones than in attempting that specific an interpretation of Jayne's response to anything guaranteed to focus more attention on herself. If she were accused of being Dermot in a fatsuit, I suspect she'd behave in much the same way.