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Big Brother 2006

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:23 / 16.07.06
It's as though "Space Cadets" had been based around letting the audience think that a dozen naifs and nitwits were going up into orbit, and either... what? sprung the surprise on the viewers as well as the contestants in the final episode that it was all a hoax, or never told us, and let us believe that there really was a shuttle launch?

No, no, that's a NASA trick, not a TV company one... erm...

Unless...

Unless ENDEMOL don't actually know the truth about Jayne!!! This could go right to the top, people!


Sorry, SG... couldn't resist. I'll get back to talking about the programme now.
 
 
Triplets
20:29 / 16.07.06
You haven't even scratched the surface of the Reverse Vampires.

No, no, that's a NASA trick

If it means Jayne might end up hunted to death across a desert then yes, yes she is a plant.
 
 
■
21:08 / 16.07.06
Every year. Every. Fucking. Year.

Flashbacks!

SG, I thought the same thing about someone a couple of years ago (and I have a nifty almost-paranoid story to back it up)and had the same response.
The reason I can't accept Jayne is a plant is that she so clearly wants everyone to think she is... because she has nothing else going for her.
 
 
Olulabelle
22:38 / 16.07.06
As for Digital Spy thinking Jayne is a plant ~ Digital Spy thought that Aisleyne and Sam would be "two African twin brothers", as I recall.

...

Pardon?
 
 
kan
23:36 / 16.07.06

So what d'y all think about bumgate? Watched tonight's highlights show so this must have happened yesterday?

Mikey enthusiasically tried to take a chunk out of Aisleyne's perfect posterior to her horror. She jumped up affronted and said she felt violated. Mikey smirked off in distance.
(Here Mikey helpfully reminds us what a steaming neanderthal streak he really is).

She then took refuge in the bedroom with Pete and discussed how best to deal. Did he think she had brought if on her self, thongs etc. Pete was admirable in his support pointing out that Mikey should have the self-control to reign in his physical urges.

Inneresting.
 
 
Smoothly
00:11 / 17.07.06
This on the heels of Spoiral's naked hug, of course. And it was Spoiral who intimated that her mode of dress suggested that she lacked self-respect and meant that she was in some way asking for it.
Possibly worth noting that Mikey did apologise when it became apparent that Aisleyne was upset by it, in marked contrast to Spoiral's aggressive defense and counter-attack.

I don't think it's very surprising that these boundary issues arise though. The BB House forces levels of intimacy that probably throws one's sense of probity out of whack. They are, by and large, very tactile, the share beds, they take baths together and there is lots of banter directed at people's physicality. Richard was encouraged to make Mikey feel uncomfortable by getting up in his personal space, for a joke; Pete was pressured into getting his cock out for Lea; Sezer did a Spoiral on Imogen in the first few days; Aisleyne had previously been comparatively tolerant of Spoiral sticking his tongue in her ear...
These boundaries aren't always going to be easy to navigate and transgressions are pretty much inevitable as people suss out individuals' (evolving) comfort zones.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:11 / 17.07.06
Shame Pete doesn't have the courage of his convictions - or the courage, full stop - to make that apparent in anything other than a private conversation with Aisleyne.

When it comes to that, he didn't even appear to think there was anything particularly wrong with Mikey's behaviour until Aisleyne told him that she felt violated.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
00:33 / 17.07.06
As for Digital Spy thinking Jayne is a plant ~ Digital Spy thought that Aisleyne and Sam would be "two African twin brothers", as I recall.

...

Pardon?


What I mean is that there were speculations on Digital Spy, supposedly from positions of some insider knowledge, that two new housemates ~ "African twin brothers" if I remember the phrase rightly ~ would be replacing (as I recall) Shabaz and Dawn. In fact, as we saw, the housemates who came out of the boxes were Aisleyne and Sam.

My point? That Digital Spy has witnessed some wild and inaccurate speculations, which were at the time treated as trustworthy and authoritative. Hence a general agreement on DS that Jayne was a plant would not necessarily sway me into believing it.

I don't have a reference or link to the story about African twins, so am just trusting my memory. It may in turn have been based on tabloid speculation.

It's an example though, and I think not the only example from that board of theories being widely believed, then debunked ~ again if I recall correctly, many people on DS constructed lengthy arguments to prove that Suzie was a plant, that the lottery machine was fixed, that Aisleyne was wearing a magnetic ring on one hand that only attracted the "right" ball, that all the balls had the same number, &c &c
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:41 / 17.07.06
And let's not forget the DJ from Faliraki...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
00:44 / 17.07.06
I must confess I've just searched DS for any reference to African twin brothers and turned up nothing at all! So maybe it was a lazy and poor example on my part.

The theories from people on DS convinced (and prepared to draw up detailed plots to prove) that Suzie's entry was fixed might be a better case, then, to indicate that a significant section of the DS community subscribing to a conspiracy theory doesn't necessarily mean it's true.
 
 
*
03:47 / 17.07.06
I think an example which uses something from real life must surely be lazier than one which one had to go to the effort to imagine, create, or fictionalize. So, brava, miss wonderstar, for your efforts.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:48 / 17.07.06
Shame Pete doesn't have the courage of his convictions - or the courage, full stop - to make that apparent in anything other than a private conversation with Aisleyne.

Interesting thing about this was in the diary room, even the Voice of Big Brother seemed to be getting exasperated by Pete's absolute refusal to enter into anything approaching conflict himself - Big Brother attempted to nudge him towards the idea that if he thought what Mikey did was wrong, perhaps he should say something to him. This was to no avail, though, Pete just repeating "Yeah... I think Aisleyne should say something... She should tell him it's wrong..."

The level of shit Aisleyne has had to put up with in this house is really quite something.
 
 
Ganesh
09:31 / 17.07.06
I must confess I've just searched DS for any reference to African twin brothers and turned up nothing at all!

I don't remember specifically African, but there was definitely authoritative word that twins were going in; we even had their names. And yeah, that Faliraki DJ is a regular one.
 
 
h1ppychick
09:32 / 17.07.06
I didn't like the evile brainworme that Spiral infected Aisleyne with, subtly reinforced by Mikey's inappropriate behaviour, that somehow she draws these unwanted intentions on herself by her 'provocative' dressing and flesh-baring. She is obviously (in Spiral's eyes) an evil whore sent to tempt him into lewdness and lascivious behaviour and who he must punish (reading between the lines slightly there, obviously).

The poor girl spent the next day worrying if it's something that she's causing, if she should cover herself up, rather than laying the blame for these incidents squarely where it belonged.

I know that the incidents concerned were relatively mild, however this sort of primitive thinking is one of the major reasons why women are deterred from reporting rapes, and why conviction rates are so low.

At least Susie managed to set Aisleyne right a bit, and she herself challenged Spiral's views with something along the lines of "so girls who go out in short skirts are asking to be felt up, are they?". Didn't stop the doubting, however.

Also, I've said it before, and I'll say it again - Pete, please grow a backbone.
 
 
Ganesh
09:39 / 17.07.06
I'm thinking Richard ought to exercise his sexual terrorism a little on Mikey and Spoiral, 'explaining' that, in wearing arse-hugging shorts and skimpy tops, they're bringing it upon themselves. Given that Mikey hyperventilates if Richard looks at him funny like, he'd likely blow a gasket or twelve.
 
 
Ganesh
09:55 / 17.07.06
Annoyed at this little exchange between Michael and Richard, particularly this bit:

The two talked for a long while, with Michael trying - with decreasing success - to explain his anxieties to Richard. He told him that he preferred to retain his masculinity whilst being gay, a contrast to Richard's lifestyle.

I'm not sure whether this is direct transcribing or a DS News construct but, erm, what the fuck? In what way is Richard's "lifestyle" less masculine than Michael's? Presumably he has, in contrast to Michael, failed somehow to 'retain his masculinity'?

This would appear to tap into the veritable mountain of bullshit around the concept of certain gay men being 'straight-acting' (by dint of dodgy and ultimately shifting criteria), and this being somehow superior to those deemed (by another set of subjective rules) unpalatably 'camp' - as opposed to, y'know, a bit closety. If it's Michael coming out with this guff then, frankly, he should know better.
 
 
Smoothly
10:09 / 17.07.06
I don’t think Michael is the only gay man to associate campness with femininity, and resist it. Is he?

At least Susie managed to set Aisleyne right a bit, and she herself challenged Spiral's views with something along the lines of "so girls who go out in short skirts are asking to be felt up, are they?". Didn't stop the doubting, however.

Well, there was a little bit of me that thought Aisleyne was playing the faux-innocent in her conversation with Susie. She’s 28, must have come across that kind of attitude before, and I suspect that she’s already pretty confident that wearing revealing clothes doesn’t give people the right to molest her, and that she’s has every bit as much respect for herself in a diaphanous cocktail dress as she would in all-weather gear. I find it hard to believe there was any genuine doubt there.
 
 
Ganesh
10:16 / 17.07.06
I don’t think Michael is the only gay man to associate campness with femininity, and resist it. Is he?

No, and I'm pretty sure I haven't claimed otherwise. I'd have hoped he'd know better than to associate campness inversely with masculinity, though (particularly given the problems of defining both abstracts), if that is indeed what he himself is doing here. I'd be particularly interested in a fuller exploration of why Michael is masculine and Richard is not. I suspect it wouldn't hold much water.
 
 
Smoothly
10:23 / 17.07.06
Being somewhat camp myself, and yet 100% prime man, I agree with you. I just meant that camp = feminine is a fairly prevalent construct, isn’t it? I don’t think it does hold much water either, but I’m kinda surprised you’re surprised to hear it trotted out.
 
 
kan
10:33 / 17.07.06
Pete just repeating "Yeah... I think Aisleyne should say something... She should tell him it's wrong..."

I agree that generally speaking Pete should be more vocal in expressing his opinions on house conflict, but in this case is there a possibility his reluctance to step forward was because he didn't want to assume the traditional protective male role and felt Aisleyne could/should handle the situation herself?

No way of knowing of course and based on past performance s'probably more likely he was avoiding confrontation as usual but there was something in his diary room insistence that it should be Aisleyne who spoke up that made me wonder.
 
 
Ganesh
10:34 / 17.07.06
I just meant that camp = feminine is a fairly prevalent construct, isn’t it? I don’t think it does hold much water either, but I’m kinda surprised you’re surprised to hear it trotted out.

It's a common one, yes. I'm surprised to hear it trotted out from Michael to Richard (if, as I say, the DS article is directly paraphrasing) because Michael seemed a little more intelligent/sensitive to the nuances of sexuality than that (going by his exasperation with Spoiral's have-you-fucked-a-ladee-then question on the first night), and attempting to quantify 'camp' and 'masculinity' with he and Richard in the BB setting seems particularly ill-advised.

A better distinction might be 'scene' and 'non-scene'. This is slightly more solid ground for Compare 'n' Contrast, given that it's been a winning dynamic for conflict in the past (Josh and Brian).
 
 
Ganesh
10:37 / 17.07.06
I agree that generally speaking Pete should be more vocal in expressing his opinions on house conflict, but in this case is there a possibility his reluctance to step forward was because he didn't want to assume the traditional protective male role and felt Aisleyne could/should handle the situation herself?

He's particularly good at not assuming that traditional protective male role, is Pete. Or even the more gender-neutral speaking-up-for-one's-friend role.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
10:37 / 17.07.06
I'm tickled that shrill little Michael sees himself lodged so unquestionably at the butch end of the spectrum. He needs to look at Richard's apparent ease with his gayness and learn from it, instead of striking hostile attitudes.
 
 
Smoothly
10:44 / 17.07.06
A better distinction might be 'scene' and 'non-scene'.

I thought they were both quite ‘scene’. Didn’t they both recognise each other from going to the same clubs? (Maybe I misunderstand what ‘scene’ means). Is Richard more scene than Michael?
 
 
Peach Pie
11:59 / 17.07.06
Every year. Every. Fucking. Year

sorry ganesh - but houseplant's reaction to being accused of being a mole in front of the whole house (being unable to keep a straight face, not being surprised, smirking, walking off) and then being unsurprised even when three hm's blockaded her in the bathroom as "a mole" seems rather good circumstantial evidence that she is, indeed a mole.
 
 
kan
12:06 / 17.07.06
Or even the more gender-neutral speaking-up-for-one's-friend role.

You're quite right, this should have been his primary concern.

I think I'm projecting my feelings for how I would want to deal with the situation on to Pete's reticence. I just really wanted to see Aisleyne slap down that buffoon Mikey.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:09 / 17.07.06
secret_goldfish's opinions on Big Brother are so convoluted and implausible that when I heard them I drove out to a special private "stables" in the English countryside that was looking for new "pony girls", located the old men who ran the establishment, put on a halter, took the bit between my teeth, pulled down my trousers and pants, sellotaped a horse's tail to my dinkle, and shouted "Laaaads, I'm at your beck and call!"

They rode it to Banbury Cross.
 
 
Peach Pie
12:15 / 17.07.06

Ay thankyoh. I'm sure when I die the most important thing in my obit will be whether my views on the seventh series of a reality tv show came up to the standards of someone calling themselves Flyboy.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:15 / 17.07.06
That wouldn't make a particularly effective m*l* though, would it? Her reaction seems far more characteristic of someone who's happy enough to play up to that idea, in order to maxmise the amount of beautiful, lovely attention that's lavished on her worthless soul.

Jayne's personality is almost unbelievably terrible, for sure, but only almost - I'm not saying Endemol wouldn't stoop to it, especially not this year, when the production in general's had a certain air of desperation to it, it's just that in Jayne's case, I don't think they have.
 
 
Peach Pie
12:18 / 17.07.06

that's the beauty of interpretation.

TMM the sight of her taking the test vanquished such doubt as had existed in my mind. Two words: "ham actor".
 
 
Smoothly
12:18 / 17.07.06
You mean, of course, you were persuaded to.

houseplant's reaction to being accused of being a mole in front of the whole house (being unable to keep a straight face, not being surprised, smirking, walking off) and then being unsurprised even when three hm's blockaded her in the bathroom as "a mole" seems rather good circumstantial evidence that she is, indeed a mole.

Yes, either that or that she saw it as a good opportunity to make a House drama *all about her*. Which could be more likely? I wonder…
 
 
Peach Pie
12:20 / 17.07.06
Exactly. You wonder. Any conclusion you make one way or the other is your subjective opinion solely.
 
 
Smoothly
12:29 / 17.07.06
And if someone else wondered if Jayne was an actual, Talpinae, mole - what with her shovel-like hands and whuffly nose - and concluded that she was, would be as respectable a conclusion as someone else who concluded that it was a silly idea?
 
 
Peach Pie
12:34 / 17.07.06

methinks you are insulting the housemates intelligence.
 
 
Peach Pie
12:34 / 17.07.06

No - because visual evidence would suggest against. you, however, have provided NO objective reason why it's more likely that Jayne is an attention seeking non-mole than ana attention seeking mole. you just keep repeating your prejudice that it's less likely- ignoring the housemates views themselves.
 
  

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