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Aertho
15:59 / 13.07.06
I'd make Black Widow a 70 year old German woman who was forced to take Nazi Supersoldier serum. She's the one responsible for killing Hitler, thank you very much. She then defects to Russia, and is hired as their spy. Cold War theatrics, meanwhile, she's marrying men and mothering children. Husbands die mysteriously when they cross her, but because she's so important to Mother Russia, she's not criminalized. She defects to France, then defects to America, now she works for both North Korea and Switzerland - where her children live.

She's Sophia Loren. Beautiful but elderly, with a superhuman body and memory, and both are beginning to show wear. She had middle aged children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren that all live fantastically sheltered and decadent lives in the Swiss Alps. She HAS to be old. She's seen disgusting things, and seeks to protect her family. Feircely and murderously independant - her children do NOT cross her. None of them inherited her powers. Slike Alias crossed with Dynasty starring Judy Dench's head and Gabrielle Reece's body.

Black Widow would be fantastically egocentric, with shifting loyalties amongst her family and foregin states. She has secrets and connections no one else has, so they woo and "marry" her. Her enemies include HYDRA, her granddaughter-in-law, and her 60-year-old gay ex-husband, the only man who left HER, but she loves dearly to this day.
 
 
This Sunday
15:53 / 14.07.06
Since I was so critical of how she's been handled, I'll give this a shot:

You play Natasha and Yelena right off each other. BW1 as supersexed flashy type who instinctively hits the limelight whenever she performs. BW2 as puritan effectiveness. BW1, therefore, makes a very good superhero, while BW2 makes a damned good spy. BW1, good for press; BW2, good for getting important jobs done. But, really, how do you feel when you know you're the real badass, the actual working superspy genius, but it's always about the other Black Widow? The one everybody thinks of as 'the real Black Widow' or the original (even though recent storylines have tossed that out the window)? The one who gets to run around with the Avengers? The Widow who doesn't have to consider children collateral? Who gets to bed the best and the brightest from all fields like an eternally young Alma Mahler in a perfectly-sculpted bullet-proof heatsynced catsuit, and a chain fucking belt - making it all work?

She's got Daredevil on her arm today, tomorrow it's dinner and dancing with Spider-Woman or a resurrected Hawkeye... and you sit alone in a shit apartment in a government owned building waiting for the next assignment that, essentially, nobody will ever trace back to you. Because you're too good for the job to be linked to you. Too good to be caught or even suspected. Sitting alone, waiting for the call.

So, yeah, I tapped the sex-angst and the generational issues, and Yelena being unsure of herself, but hopefully my spin's a little more, I dunno, intrinsic or meaningful than 'young, bare belly, nice ass and big guns - I'll be a sex worker!' which only sounds fun typed like so, and wasn't as interesting to read about.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:05 / 17.07.06
Off-hand challenge: In light of Mike Carey's X-Men run starting, All-Star me up a Rogue proposal. How would you make her work as a solo character, can she even work as one when her abilities demand access to other superpowered characters?

Also: Northstar and Aurora, some sort of miniseries. I'm thinking of a proposal that I'll post later, something about Jean-Paul's connections with the FLQ and that weird Quebecois supergroup/freakshow he encountered early in the Byrne days of Alpha Flight. What angle would you approach Aurora from? Two personalities, or more? One unified field of Aurora?
 
 
Mario
11:22 / 17.07.06
Rogue is a tough one. If I was going to do a story with her, I'd probably riff off the idea that she's been so many people over the years, she's not entirely sure who SHE is.

I'd also decree that Gambit is not allowed to show up, be talked about, or even contemplated.

Northstar & Aurora. The multiple personality thing is a bit tapped out (especially since nearly every story you could tell was done better by Crazy Jane) but I do have an approach that could be interesting:

Aurora's personality becomes less and less stable when she's not in proximity to her brother (physical contact is unnecessary, but they should at least be in the same building). Similarily, Northstar becomes more and more arrogant and emotionally distant in the same situation.

One gets too controlled. The other loses all control. Only together can they be sane.
 
 
Aertho
12:02 / 17.07.06
You know, I want to have Emma give Rogue control over her powers, have her become disillusioned with Xavier's slow slow methods and return to the training her mother gave her. She's be a sloppy epsionage for hire, theif to make the ends meet, and self-appointed mover and shaker in mutant policy. She'd be a Black Panther to X-Men's MLK Jr. I'd make her Marvel's Catwoman.

But then I realized Rogue's whole schtick is her pathos and booooooring angst. So no good ideas here.
 
 
grant
14:15 / 18.07.06
Rogue has a complete breakdown and only functions when she thinks she's Wolverine. Almost like a gag strip, only uncomfortable in the way all broken jokes are. She really thinks she's Wolverine.

And no one can take her down and put her away for the help she needs.
 
 
grant
14:20 / 18.07.06
Perhaps she comes into possession of a chunk of Wolverine that's trying to replicate itself -- emergency blood transfusion? Fleck of muscle or brain tissue splashed into her tear duct during a gory fight?

It replicates, she keeps leeching off it. Wolverine flesh battery.

That way, he can be in every issue and still be in every other title ever!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:28 / 19.06.07
OKAY! I read the trade for the opening sequence of Bart Allen's Brave New Era of Flashery, specifically: The High Speed Emo Era, wherein our dear boy grows up to be a twenty year old and acts like someone tried to explain to someone else the formula for Marvel Heroes but failed utterly to make it interesting. I'm glad I borrowed it from work rather than buying the dreck, but Bart! I miss Bart.

What would you do with him, being given the magic power to write his series? Would you dump his ass like so many rebounds in favour of running (ha) to your dear, lost booboo, Wally West?

I'm seeing Bart Allen teaming up with the 853rd Century's own Hourman, reporting to the Twenty First Century because he's just had a flash of a RACE AGAINST TIME using his old chrono-vision. I picture Bart thrown into the future to hang out with the Lost Flash Family - his dear Mama, Meloni Thawne; his pop and aunt, the Tornado Twins; his dear sweet cousin, Jenni. Sure, you gotta juggle a couple parallel univerrses - parents are Earth-1, maybe? Jenni's some other? Or you streamline a new threeboot version.

Barry Allen's costume? Yawn. Wally adjusted his, and I don't see any reason Bart wouldn't decide to take some liberties. I'd love to see a return to that Bryan Hitch number that Wally wore while split into two people - more like light-weight body armour with funky goggles that might remind use of the old Impulse costume.

I say he should zip back to Manchester and check in on his old buds.

And Rogues? Make Kadabra the old guard foe, having had dealings with Bart when he first arrived, and having the time travel aspect. Stuck four years behind his own cell donor, Inertia writes himself, but make him a weird horrible harbinger of Bart's lost childhoods. Give us some bored Gen-Y kids emulating the old motivations of the original Rogues -- sure, we could patent our genius inventions, but we're bored and want super-powers so let's steal stuff instead.

What else? Bonus points for fun ways of removing "The Griffin" (yuck) for the playing field.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:24 / 19.06.07
Yes - Flash: The Fastest Man Alive is probably the worst comic I've ever bought, and I own a number of 90s Midnight Sons comics books. Which is a tragedy really since Barts got so much going for him as a character that it should have been a pretty hrd thing to make his book that bad. So no I wouldn't bring Wally back if I had the choice and I was writting - I loved Wally, but Bart would be way more fun to write.

I agree with everything you've suggested - Bart oughta pretty much write himself if one knows anything about all the interesting stuff in his background, so yeah I'd have Bart bouncing through time and alternate realities on a monthly basis - I'd also use his immunity to timeline changes to explore how New Earth varies from the Post Crisis earth, and how the 52 vary from each other.

Costume wise - I'd be easy just as long as it involved big boots and big feet - I might like to work in some sort of tribute to Jay's costume seeing as he spent more time training Bart than Wally ever did - but I'm no artist so I'm not sure if that could be made to work.

Villains-wise Abra Kadabra and Inertia are as you say great choices - but I'd throw Mirror Master and Pied Piper in as well. Pied Piper mainly to explain in some sort of rational fashion why he's a villain again - I'm thinking that partially it's because he took against Bart when he found out the guy was working as a scab, but mainly because someone, probably Inertia has figured out that Bart absorbed Wally and Piper wants to get his friend back, and doesn't care if he has to kill the scab to do it. Mirror Master gets an in because I want to see an Animal Man guest appearance, since the current Mirror Master was originally his enemy - and I think something really interesting could be done with Buddy's fourth wall breaking and Bart time change immunity.

And with regards to when Bart isn't on duty - he should absolutely friggin love being 20. For a guy like Bart 20 shouldn't be all about angst and misery it should be about fun, fun, fun. Bart's downtime should be full of all of the joy and enthusiasm of Allecto's party posts over in the conversation, not full of moping and recrimination.
 
 
Aertho
19:16 / 19.06.07
Pop quiz:

All-Star Hawkman.

Your challenge is to incorporate Egypt, Thanagar, anti-grav metals, reincarnation, romance and lost love, testosterone, and a leather harness.

Triple word score if Shayera is your protagonist.
 
 
Mario
22:21 / 22.06.07
OK.

Novice Thanagarian Wingman Shayera Thal crashlands in Ancient Egypt, where she is rescued by young Pharaoh Khufu. They fall in love, and wed. Together, they use Thanagarian technology to defend his kingdom.

But his ambitious (and morally bankrupt) vizier Hath-set tries to assassinate him using a Thangarian memetic bomb. However, the bomb goes off early, catching him in the blast, and all three are erased from the physical universe, existing only as patterns of information in the Nth metal engravings of Khufu's throne room. His people, beliving the room cursed, seal up the entire building.

Millenia later, archaeologist Carter Hall, his wife Shiera, and his financier Anton Hastur find the throne room, and become imprinted with the personalities of the king, his queen, and Hath-set. Hath-set, completely insane, flees.

The rest is pretty straightforward, as they use Shayera's memories to rediscover a cache of Thanagarian weapons. And Fight Crime!
 
 
Spaniel
16:57 / 01.11.07
It seems to me that many of the posters to this thread instinctively lean towards brightening up characters. A laudable aim considering the miserable state so many superheroes find themselves in, but the problem with brightness is that it makes truly compelling storytelling quite a difficult task. Not insurmountably difficult, as many fine comics will testify, but tough. Also, well, I just think that some characters work much better when they're all grim and gritty, Cloak and Dagger being a good example.
I entirely agree that redemption is a big part of their thing, but I'd want to see that redemption earned within the shadowy milieu that made those characters work in the first place. For me C&D should have the same uncomfortable appeal of the Punisher or even Morrison's FF (he absolutely _nailed_ the way the comic felt to me as a kid), edgy, dark stuff, with a small side order of weird. And by "weird" I mean the kind of thing Lynch throws up: surreal, irreducible, strange.

To start with their origin story is like some nasty blend of Lilya Forever and Project Mkultra.
Cloak and Dagger were two kids transformed by fire. Runaways fleeing horrific home lives - genuinely damaged goods - who had the misfortune to run into something much, much worse: a hellish experimental programme that ripped away their humanity and replaced it with something so hideous that the entire criminal fraternity was gripped by terror in a matter of months. Something that ate people's souls and burned out their sins.

And let's look at who those street level criminals were, shall we? Street gangs, dealers, kids basically. Of course, you could accuse most street level superheroes of beating on children, but there's something about how C&D's powers operate and how they operate with them, the sheer awfulness of it all, and the inherent message of their origin - that if you mistreat kids they tend not to turn out too well - that forces me to peer closer at the humanity of the people they pursue.
So now let's look at what drove them. A desire to protect the innocent, sure, but more importantly Cloak's overwhelming hunger - a device that, when combined with the drug angle and task they set themselves, works effortlessly as an analogy for a desperate craving for sadistic vengeance. To me the young Cloak and Dagger are monstrous, terrifying hunters (Dagger's eye ring as disco war paint), lashing out at anyone that looks halfway like the people that created them.

But, and this is crucial, they are also very, very damaged kids, looking for a way out and a way home, and that's where the redemption comes in. But that redemption will be very difficult and painful to achieve, just like the chance they offer their victims (intriguingly this is the point where their powers intersect with their humanity and their potential goodness - they might present their enemies with physical and existential torture, but that torture carries within it the power to do some real good. Unlike, say, Spiderman's fists).

So yeah, I would want to tell a redemption story with C&D, in fact I'd want to dangle redemption in front of them for the majority of my fantasy run. Along with the inevitable love story (platonic or otherwise, I haven't decided), it would be one of the key drivers of the arc, and the primary source of much of the drama. To that end I'd want to revisit their origin story and fill in the blanks with some deeply disturbing stuff, and I'd be looking to turn a whole heap of empathy, pity and ultimately horror at their fate into a fear and loathing of what they become, shifting the focus from desperate teenagers to desperate criminals.

Blended into that I'd want to have a look at the pair as we find them today, their ferocity, rage and pain, dulled by the healing power of time, and with the coming of maturity, and consequently I'd want to emphasise their increasing ability to control of their powers which, as far as I'm concerned, have always been a manifestation of their internal/existential states. Of course, with control of their emotions and powers the possibility of some sort of redemption rears its head, so into that mix I'd want to throw a big stinking problem. Very likely the appearance of something that looks a lot like the drug programme that transformed them, and the tragic story of another runaway caught up in it's web and changed beyond all recognition. A storyline that would force C&D to face their demons afresh and potentially whisk the possibility of redemption out from under their feet as they battle to save the new runaway's now monstrous soul, and attempt to stave off the desire to wreak horrible vengeance on the people that perpetrated the crime.

I have more, but I've already spouted enough incomprehensible gibberish, so I think I'll stop
 
 
Aertho
17:06 / 01.11.07
More please.
 
 
Spaniel
17:11 / 01.11.07
Later.

Brainhurt
 
 
The Natural Way
18:06 / 01.11.07
Yes. More. Very good.

Why the fuck are DC and Marvel not employing everyone from Barbelith?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
19:00 / 01.11.07
Because I, for one, am a moron. I'm not the only one.

Boboss is good though.
 
 
Mario
19:13 / 01.11.07
I'm probably too conventional.
 
 
grant
19:35 / 01.11.07
the tragic story of another runaway caught up in it's web and changed beyond all recognition

"In their perfect, tidy, clean world, they always thought of me as a STAIN. So that's what I've become.

"A stain. A smudge.

"A SPOT."
 
 
Aertho
20:01 / 01.11.07
I'm cloning my harddrives, so Barbelith will have to entertain.

Someone give a challenge, please.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:47 / 01.11.07
Chad, could you do something worthwhile with Doctor Fate. Like, I don't know, something a bit more world-shaking that having it revealed that the new Doctor Fate is named...um...Kent Nelson, much like the first Kent Nelson, even though it's someone else entirely?
 
 
Aertho
20:52 / 01.11.07
Mmm I'll give it a shot. How beholden am I to continuity?
 
 
Aertho
21:40 / 01.11.07
Eh, I got nothing. Fate's a silly theme to play with in superheroic context. No defiance without trajedy. Plus, it's all about the helmet, and what happens after.

Anyone else got a spin on Fate, Doctor(s) or otherwise?
 
 
Mario
11:57 / 02.11.07
I've got one.

In the year 194005, Mankind has conquered the laws of physics, and turned the Solar System into a new Eden. But there were still serpents in Eden, including the super-scientist Wotan. Unable to conquer his present, he used an experimental time machine to cast himself into the past, hoping use his knowledge of future science to conquer the past.

The process damages the time machine, and while it is repaired, the portal created is not large enough to send a person through. Instead, it is decided to send a Neocortical Auxiliary Booster Unit to the past, capable of transforming a native of that time period into a master of future science, as well as advising him on it's use.

The golden NABU is sent through the portal... and in a tomb in Egypt, Dr. Kent Nelson makes a discovery.

And now, he must fight, to save the fate of mankind.
 
 
garyancheta
16:57 / 08.11.07
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents."-HP Lovecraft

Kent Nelson is insane.

While digging in an ancient tomb in Egypt, he came across something so horrific and so overwhelming that his mind could not process what he was seeing. The world around him inverted and showed him a glimpse of what the world around him truly was. This naked view of the unknown drove him insane and beyond the ability for anyone to reach him...except for his psychiatrist and wife, Inza Nelson.

Inza had created a helmet that, when placed upon her husband's head, made him lucid and more like his old self. Beneath the gold sheen lies a web of microprocessors and injection needles that coat his brain with seratonin reuptake chemicals and soothing alpha-wave sounds.

While he wears his mask, he speaks about his "insane" self in the third person which he calls his Nabu persona. Nabu can see the problems of the world before they become problems and whispers these things to Kent as he wears the mask.

Together, Inza and Kent operate in their tower in Salem, Massachusetts, solving mystical crimes that Kent sees through his helmet and trying to find a way to cure Kent of his mental affliction.
 
 
garyancheta
23:15 / 08.11.07
Going back to previous posts:

The Rogue: This series would be sort of like a combination of CSI Miami, The Closer, My name is Earl, and Miami Vice.

The first thing I would do is put Rogue in a place where there are very few mutants but a lot of story points. I'd place Rogue in Miami, as a special metahuman officer employed by Tony Stark in lieu of a full team. Rogue can access multiple powers and multiple memories from many different individuals she has stolen powers from. Her first case drove her to Miami and ever since then, she's lived in and around Miami, helping the Miami police department solve metahuman crimes using her ability to select memories of villains who are going to do crimes.

The second plot point I would bring up is that she has access to every person and every power she has ever absorbed. This would be something I would use in her stories. In her past she has done some awful things. In the past of many heroes and villains she has absorbed, they have done some awful things. Rogue remembers all of this, so she uses this to make amends for her past crimes and the past crimes of others.

The third idea is placing a mutant hunting serial killer, who is sort of Rogue's opposite, on the streets of Miami. He has no powers, but he's an extraordinary martial artist and weaponsmith. He is killing off former mutants and now he has his eyes set on playing a game with Rogue. At one point, Rogue brushes shoulders with the serial killer and she knows his next victims, but she doesn't know who he is because she's looking through his eyes.

I'd really play up Rogue's popularity in this story. She's the first resident superhero and first notable mutant to call Miami her town, so I'd sort of make her to Miami what Superman is to Metropolis. Miami is this weird place of contradictions: It has an Old Boy Network, but it has a thriving Gay/Lesbian/Transexual/Bisexual communities. It is a huge place, but it also has a "small town" mentality. People are scared of violence, but they party till way past 5 in the morning.

Rogue would fit in this place, where beauty is always shown but never touched and crime is always associated with luxurious power.
 
 
garyancheta
23:34 / 08.11.07
Bart Allen is dead, but long live Bart Allen.

When Bart pushed Superboy into another dimension, he left as a teenager. When he returned from wherever he was, he came back a 20-something adult.

How did he age 4 years?

The answer is a bit more complex. After Bart Allen pushed Superboy into another dimension, he traveled forward through time and arrived months after his actual death. Now Bart Allen has to live with the idea that he will die in 4 years. Bart takes over the mantle of the Flash from Wally and uses his powers to save others, but he knows that eventually he will have to go back through time and sacrifice himself for the greater good.

Bart fights the good fight, but even he knows that even the fastest man alive cannot out race the reaper...
 
 
garyancheta
21:33 / 12.11.07
Here's an All-Star makeover: Starfire. She's the alien warrior from another planet in Teen Titans who grew into a slightly confused character that really has no direction. How would you "All Star" Starfire?
 
 
Mario
12:08 / 13.11.07
Starfire is a problem because All-Star Starfire is (essentially) Big Barda.

I'd probably downplay the naivete (which really only works in the cartoon) in exchange for a viewpoint that is alien but still "civilized".
 
 
grant
13:58 / 13.11.07
Make her Martian Manhunter Year One, only without the ability to blend in.

Followed everywhere by reporters, scientists and Homeland Security officials until she can negotiate getting a visa - and getting a publicist.

It'd actually be kinda fun having stories with her falling for somewhat obvious cons. Something like the time-slipping journalist in X-Statix, you know? Stories about publicity, celebrity, exploitation of the image - all of which end with her beating someone up. (Possibly some crime figure is behind the publicity machine.)

This, I just realized, would make for an ideal Manhattan Guardian crossover. They'd make quite a team....
 
 
Aertho
14:11 / 13.11.07
Hm. Never thought of is that way. Koriand'r as Barda.

I began seeing Starfire as Wonder Woman(warlike beautiful princess) in Superman's context(science fiction superheroics). Same holds true for Dick Grayson Robin as Superman in Batman's world, and Donna Troy as Batman in Wonder Woman's.

Where does Starfire end up? Who besides the Titans are her cast? I'm not opposed to exploring the character, but like the Insane Kent Nelson idea sitting between Order and Chaos, what's her schtick?
 
 
Aertho
14:12 / 13.11.07
lolz grant wins.
 
 
grant
19:57 / 27.11.07
Boboss, strike while iron is hot: Cloak and Dagger among properties licensed to Paramount.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:05 / 09.04.08
POP QUIZ~!

Remembering something Pacific State said to me about it, and then reading the following review of the tragedy that is Young X-Men #1--

Talking of being written for an audience entirely alien to me, I can’t help but wonder what the thinking is behind this latest version of the New Mutants/Generation X/New X-Men idea: “They’re young heroes in a dangerous world! So they have to become soldiers… who kill!” What, really? There’s something so depressing and hopeless about that idea – and about the fact that the new Brotherhood of Evil Mutants are the original New Mutant team – that I can’t help but hope that there’s going to be some “surprise” reveal some time soon that shows that everything isn’t as oppressive as it seems. As it is, this first issue was Okay; written fairly generically, but with some nice art.

Your mission: explain how you would write a comic about young mutants being trained to be X-Men. Would it be a soldier-kill fiasco? Constraints include that it has to follow from established continuity -- so there have been groups like Gen X and the New Mutants -- and make use of some change in the X-paradigm. I have some half-considered thoughts, but they aren't ready yet.
 
 
grant
16:21 / 09.04.08
Bad News Bears with powers.
 
 
grant
16:40 / 09.04.08
In case you haven't seen the original Bad News Bears, it's a lot more like To Sir, With Love or the movie version of M*A*S*H - much less cuddly than people remember. Walter Matthau is a gruff, hard-up ex-coulda-been baseball player with a drinking problem who winds up coaching a bunch of near-delinquent kids who have some genuine problems. He's a mess, they're a mess, but somehow it all works out in that early 70s folie a deux way (tales of mutual madness and incapacity - Butch Cassidy, Bonnie & Clyde, it was like one of that era's motifs).

The question is, who would be the Matthau character? The character would have to be a/ washed up, b/ never better than an also-ran at his peak and c/ not terribly likeable in most ways. My X-knowledge isn't good enough to pick out a decent representative, but someone from a late Kirby/early Claremont supporting cast would be ideal. (Madrox the Multiple Man is a little too "in," I think, but close.)

Scanning Wikipedia, I find this concept may have been done as Fallen Angels, which I don't remember ever hearing of.

Coconut Grove? That's in Miami...!

Hmm.
 
  

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