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Grant Morrison's Batman

 
  

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The Natural Way
17:02 / 28.09.06
Also, are those bat-suits from the toy range? I hope so.
 
 
Spaniel
19:16 / 28.09.06
Yeah, of course it'll be the 5th dimensional Batmite. Not only would Grant find the character irresistable (I know this because we pash), but he's recently made an appearance in Superman and Batman, so there is precedent.

Digging that "Crime lost" line, meself. Must be a twinny thing.
 
 
black mask
22:16 / 28.09.06
Alfred's "Ahh... Memory lane." was priceless. The only person in the Bat-household with some sane historical perspective ruminating on the emergence of another psycho-drama-queen.

Plus! The Batman/Damian 'PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE!" panel seemed to expand out into an entire pageful of profundity. You know? The primal, big dog/little dog, hierarchy thing? You don't fuck with Batman. The bad guys might know that, but occasionally everyone else needs reminding, too.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:11 / 29.09.06
Well, considering this issue was about parenthood, I'd suggest that the 'Aaah...memories...' line was there, first and foremost, to convey the fact that Alfred's had to play Papa to 3 Boy Wonders and, of course, 1 Bruce Wayne. It wasn't all dark-tears-over-dead-parents-twitching-in-alleys, sometimes it was as simple as a mopey, teenage babybat slouching up to his room because it was time for bed and, no, he couldn't watch the adverts. All 14 yr olds are 'psycho-drama-queens'. Quite frankly, I loved the urbanity of it.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
20:09 / 30.09.06
i want the kid dead already.
 
 
Ganesh
22:39 / 30.09.06
Robin came on like Little Britain's Sebastian in this one. Whatever.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:29 / 10.10.06
There seems to be a real meme/theme running through mainstream superhero books lately - namely, give the hero a long-lost son. Superman in Superman Returns' and now in the Donner/Johns-written upcoming "Last Son of Krypton" arc in Action Comics, Grant M. giving Batman the long-lost son (or should we say 'restoring' the son to continuity) and Wolverine having a long-lost son over in his ORIGINS title. And in at least 2 of the 3 comic book cases, the son is a violent problem child (given that we haven't yet seen the Superman comic story yet).

What does this mean for the superhero gestalt, I wonder? Is it that all the 35ish-year old comic fans and creators are now thinking about children in their lives & in their stories...?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
15:18 / 10.10.06
I think so. and particularly don't like it, while I don't mind older heroes at all, like they used to be in the early 20th century.

meanwhile, over at Marvel Spider-Man seems to be made into a single guy again, as Quesada thinks a married hero's not connected to the projected young audience.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:43 / 10.10.06
well, Spidey's not single yet, but Joe has indeed hinted that such status is coming soon...
 
 
Triplets
19:45 / 10.10.06
What does this mean for the superhero gestalt, I wonder? Is it that all the 35ish-year old comic fans and creators are now thinking about children in their lives & in their stories...?

Finder, more posts like these and you could people's fave poster in Comics. "No, really, what does the W stand for?", not so much. And makes you smell like virtualmilk. You have your moments is what I'm saying, keep it up.
 
 
Spaniel
20:04 / 10.10.06
(been drinking this evening, Trips?)
 
 
Triplets
00:30 / 11.10.06
When you refill my glass I'll tell you.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:13 / 11.10.06
man, this is gm's best super-comic for a while. maybe since marvel boy.

I am loving it. (more than ASS)

It's just so damn slick.

and funny.

and hardcore too - yes!

oh - and forgettable.

I never remember what happend in the previous ish.

however, this is a positive, not a negative.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:32 / 11.10.06
I'm so glad someone here sees eye to eye with me on this. It's definitely the funnest superbook on the racks.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:53 / 11.10.06
Word to that. It's also devoid of Morrison's worst writing tics. When Batman talks he sounds like Batman.

Are you listening Mark Millar?
 
 
Spaniel
20:55 / 11.10.06
Triple word
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:29 / 16.10.06
It's fuckin near perfect!
 
 
sn00p
19:52 / 08.11.06
The pitch is hairy chested love God, and it really works, that kind of polymathmatic super-sex god kind of thing, i just find it weird that in issue one we see his very cleanly shaved chest.
 
 
Spaniel
21:31 / 08.11.06
Ah, but isn't this arc, in part, about him finding his inner sexhairness? He needs to start with a shiny chest and finish with a fur rug.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
22:04 / 08.11.06
For those of you of a Wayne-ish bent, there's a fine article in the current GQ Style (a UK off-shoot of GQ) on the notion of Batman as a 'luxury superhero' - part Gatsby, part des Esseintes, all moral dandyism. Not published on the web as yet, but well worth flicking through at the newsagents.
 
 
andrewdrilon
15:11 / 09.11.06
fourth issue out, end of the first arc. has anyone read it?
 
 
Sniv
15:45 / 09.11.06
I'm guessing that It's fuckin near perfect! is a sign.
 
 
Billuccho!
17:32 / 09.11.06
Maybe the best issue yet. I'm not in love with this comic like some of you, though, so that's not saying much.
 
 
Spaniel
10:48 / 10.11.06
fucking near perfect

Dated 16/10/2006
 
 
Sniv
12:03 / 10.11.06
Head. Desk.

Apologies.
 
 
Mug Chum
14:29 / 10.11.06
I'm sorry -- if the answer is 'no' -- to be asking this, but are all the complements towards this comic some kind of inside joke I'm not in on it?

SPOILERS

I mean, I just read #658... I think my feelings are explained by the scene where they jump from the rocket. That was the kind of big-whaaaam-badabum Parachute-a-hoot joycore I was expecting -- this pulp tecno-Phantom James Tintin Bond thriller adventure. The build-up was quite neat. And then, I wasn't on board anymore -- as matter of fact, it's only been three hours since I read and about the only thing I remember about Talia's motivations and character overall is "I want my man back" or something. This is a first for me in Morrison's books.

The entire Batcave scene just made Batman a incompetent prick somehow in my view when I remember it as I read the issue's last page. Batman standing at the beach, bastard kid & ex-girlfriend he knocked up "blown to pieces" while back in the cave there's his beaten best friend butler and semi-comatose surrogate son (yes, I know that also might be the reason the issue is called "absent fathers" but it's like, it all went into shit -- or relief, perhaps -- and I wasn't caring... don't even know if it was to look like it all went into shit. I pratically can't even remember how it all went into shit. Honestly, it was four entire issues to just a vague "unwanted son & bitch fuck things up". Feels like it could all be encapsulated into one panel of a girl going "I'm pregnate", and the guy hitting his own forehead going "doh! I've made a huge mistake!", leaves her and she dies while having an abortion) and the only thing I can think of is, "wow, Batman could have quite a fun adventure so he can get back home -- and, maybe, in that last panel, he checks his pocket and sees that he forgot to pack his american express, or maybe it was in the belt that Talia was holding while sinking into the deeps".

And quick question, why did he need Langstrom's help again? Why was that scene there?

I feel like either this is just not going well, or I'm waaay off.

(I may just have grew bitter out of my Marvel-90ies reading -- but another thing is: damn I hate Kubert. The panels, the action and dialogue deliveries... Felt like I was in a cater where people just heard the fire alarm -- too, I don't know, 'bumpy' may be the wrong word... it all feels too much like rough-edged paper - everyone's open mouth is a razor-sharp 2d triangle)

ps: a)The kid felt at times like the sidekick-wannabe kid-later-villain from The Incredibles. b)Jesus, the Joker is like heroine to Batman readers, no?
 
 
LDones
14:59 / 10.11.06
It's Morrison Lite. Diet Moz With Spritz Of Rum.

It's fun. Forgettable. Hilarious. Emphasis on the latter.

I'm tempted to say that if you missed that much of the plot on a reading, might want to read a bit closer, but really the joy's in the quick read, the smile, and the discard.

It's good genre work. It's what most superhero comics should be but, peculiarly, aren't.

Not a lot to say on it. Last page is classic Batman 'Find His Body! - but I know they won't...' business. Rest is spot on characterization with weird pulp pacing and artwork that feels like it's both a throwback to weird Dick-Giordano-era Batman stories and bizarrely modern; a comic from some alternate universe where all the shit Batman stories from the late 80's on just never happened.

It's no crime if others don't see it, but it's good. Not much call for bringing the beards out for it.
 
 
Mario
15:16 / 10.11.06
I didn't care for it. After all this setup, Batman spends the climax of the story listening to Talia monologue? And Damian was such an annoying little brat, I'm actually glad he got the ending he did. Hope it sticks.

(Plus, his tunic changed color at one point, which confused me for a bit).

In conclusion:

"Hnh."
 
 
FinderWolf
15:38 / 10.11.06
Why not accept Talia's challenge to reform her? (I really thought he was going to accept her challenge by the final page) Sure, it would be a major status quo change for the Batbooks, but maybe Morrison could have dealt with it in his book and the others could have left it alone until the 'reform' inevitably failed.

Given Morrison's theme of redeeming 'bad guys' by looking for the good in them, I would have liked to see Bats find some love, or at least try.
 
 
Mug Chum
16:21 / 10.11.06
Well, I didn't like it. But I'm still giving it a few more chances, re-read the issues occasionally and check the new issues. Did it with Seaguy, and it became a favorite. Who knows this'll end up proving itself a damn good comic?

The guy still provides me my regular drug of choice (I never liked Superman, but I'm addicted to A*S! And I love how this sounds).
 
 
Triplets
17:16 / 10.11.06
I really can't wait til they start collecting Grant Morrison's Honey Badger Man.
 
 
Spaniel
13:54 / 11.11.06
LDones has summed up my feelings towards this comic perfectly. It is a very light read, and upon reflection I can see how some people might want more, but I'm loving it.

Of course, there may be a lot more "more" to come.
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
15:27 / 11.11.06
(Plus, his tunic changed color at one point, which confused me for a bit).

Plus, Robin has a homemade bandage wrapped around one arm (which I wouldn't even have bothered to look at, except the dialogue says "S'okay...I stopped the bleeding," making me look to see where the bleeding was and how he stopped it) when Batman finds him, then, in the very next panel, the bandage is on his other arm. Between this and Damian's between-panel tunic switch, and the way that cop Batman impersonator's mask kept changing (I can see his eyes...no, wait, I can't...but wait...), I'm thinking there must be a wizard in Gotham. Or that Kubert is making a lot of sloppy, distracting mistakes.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:46 / 11.11.06
I really can't wait until they start collecting Grant Morrison's Honey Badger Man.

In my dreams, dude.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
10:20 / 12.11.06
Why not accept Talia's challenge to reform her?

Agreed, really. It might have added some depth to what's otherwise so far been a frustratingly lightweight take on the character. If dim memory serves, wasn't part of the appeal of the late Seventies/early Eighties bat-storylines being referenced here Bruce Wayne's extremely convoluted love life? I'm thinking Silver StCloud, Nocturna, and the ongoing issues with Catwoman.

I just feel (and ok, I'm probably bitter because of the restraining order and so on,) that up to a point GM is phoning this stuff in. I hold out some hope, but it seems fairly unlikely that he's going to do anything new with the Joker, all the same.

Basically, if Robbie Morrisson had written this, I'm not sure if we'd be bothering to discuss it.
 
  

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