Something that I wrote in a pm to someone, and that I thought I'd add here aswell :
"Some people seem to spend a lot of time being as perfectly 'correct' as they can be when posting here, and as soon as something doesn't fit their standards, they seem go over the top pretty quickly. I don't think they realize that not everyone can be as correct as they're trying to be, probably because some of us can't check exactly the same thing in each of our posts, because we're all different people. They should allow more for people's errors without 'pouncing' and 'tearing apart', like Macready in the film thread was going on about.
I think that's a little self centered aswell when I think about it. We can't all examine our posts as well sometimes, and it's stupid that some people don't realize that."
The only thing I changed in that has been to replace 'that guy', with 'Macready', because I'm not sure if his/her sex.
So, thats the start of what I want to get at, and I understand that along with all my other posts, it's not worded perfectly, but none of my posts will ever be 'perfect', and that's something that I feel should be accepted instead of having people pouncing and tearing apart, etc, etc.
Self centered : I think it is in a way, and please don't think that that's just an attempt to get peoples backs up. In explaining it I'd say that some of you in your efforts in trying to make this site one of the best on the net for discussion, and standards of it, raise the bar too highly for others. Some of you are very good writers, and can craft posts that are way better than a lot of other can people can regularly manage to do. I know that I can't write posts aswell as some of you can, and I do aim to constantly write better, but many of us just aren't as good at writing, and instead of having selections of various words to use at any given instant, some of us are restricted, and that is probably just the same when it comes to explaining things aswell.
For a group of people to be good at writing and explaining things, and then not be prepared to deal with others who aren't as good without being harsh, angry, and over the top, it's pretty out of hand.
So onto the problem that's arisen with my post in the V for Vendetta thread, and that's spilled into the Barbannoy one too. I've already explained what I did wrong, and I think I explained it well enough. I was happy a few times after I'd written posts and thought that things would be cool because you'd understand, but I got some replies that weren't much help at all.
Ganesh, you said :
The old "but you know I'm not Xist therefore that can't have been a Xist comment therefore YOUR AL OVEREACTING!!1" argument.
But you haven't explained what you meant, and so how can this help me if I've done something wrong? Can you explain what you mean here? Also, what do you think of this whole thing, and where can you see the faults here? Are they only my problems, or can you also see how there's possibly a bigger problem that's also present aswell, that involves the site and the way people get labelled/judged with things without enough evidence?
What is Xist here and what type of comment was I making? Looking back at my first post again I can see how it could've offended, and apologize for that, and when thinking about it it was ignorant of me because I failed to have the awareness of what was wrong in the post, but does that mean that I'm whatever 'Xist' is?
Macready said :
Do you actually read Barbelith? Do you actually think this kind of comment ain't gonna be pounced on and torn apart for the offensive tripe it so clearly is?
Is this over the top, and how far could this have gone if the person who'd wrote it had just given a 'fuck you' and a pissed off reply? These are problems that I think the site has, and not being here as much as I used to be, and not being very well at wording things as some of you are, I've stayed out of these discussions for the most part, but if asked what was wrong with barbelith, I'd include the things that I've just written about here, and probably say that they're what I think the main problem is.
People being too fast to judge, too fast to collectively rip into someone without having any awareness that they might not be bad people, and that they should at least deserve a chance, because if you can't explain things to others without giving them abuse, then how much can you help them see their faults, and how can you expect that to be the right way of going about problems with other peoples posts and then dealing with them?
Damn, I've been here years now and even mod in the Games forum, but I sometimes still feel like a newbie here. I don't feel comfortable posting some of the time, and I don't really feel like I can post in some of the forums either because people set too high a standard on what's a good post and what isn't.
If that's a problem for me, then how much is it a problem for a lot of new people here?
I think I've written too much here and have come off as Macready's post has really offended me, but it's what usually comes after posts like that from other people that I don't like. Anyway, I have a hangover, and this about as good as I can do for now. So now I'm offended aswell after all this, and I feel stupid for feeling offended, like there's no point in worrying about it, but does it matter that I'm offended? So I started it by saying something that could've offended people, but I was trying to understand what I thought King Felix meant, and thought that where he'd said stereotypically gay, I saw V as being camp in the scene I described. Instead of speaking about how wrong he was, I was trying to understand where he was coming from, because I thought a load of crap was going to start off, but it's now me that's getting it.
The '.....' before I said 'gay or whatever', was where I didn't agree with his wording, but at the same time tried to relate to what he meant. Now I'm here and I've spent hours typing trying to defend what? Is it worth it when the people arguing with me don't seem to care as much? If they don't care as much, then why should I, and why should anyone else here? |
