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I can't think of anyone offhand who has become a troll as a result of their thread being locked...
if you read back, haus, you will find that I said thread locks create resentment, and resentment creates trolls. But on that point, you have piqued my interest. What exactly has created trolls in the past?
evil cyberman, I am happy to try to clarify my points. point number 1- I am saying that thread locking creates resentment. I am not suggesting that you should never lock a thread, ever. I wouldn't want to try to tell anyone how to do their job as moderator. I have never been a moderator. but I think there may be other ways of tackling these discussions, to give a more positive outcome.
point two... yes, it is a bit convoluted this one. I’ll try to re-write it.
I do not subscribe to the view that another person has the right to censor me, or indeed anyone, on the grounds that their opinion about what I am saying is more correct, or intelligent than my own.
that's about it.
In 3, I am talking about dumping, not anger. There is a difference. Anger is legitimate, in defending your position, in getting opinions across. Dumping on others is not.
some posters are indeed more valued, and rightly so, for their contributions. My point is that I feel that a small minority of members may be somewhat elitist about this, which may create an ‘us and them’ scenario.
Of all my points, this one is the weakest- it is something I have noticed in discussions, but it is just an opinion, rather than something substantial.
For those who have asked for links- I will not furnish links, for several reasons. I have made my point, and I can think of at least one example for each point. I do not wish to do anyone’s thinking for them. If I can think of examples, and I am fairly new here, then others should be able to, if they have come across them. If you can’t think of any examples, then you will disagree with me; barbelith is fine as it is, and there is no problem. If you can think of examples where these things have happened, to you or others, then you will agree with me, and the discussion then becomes ‘in what way, if any, to act on this?’
if nobody agrees with me, it is no skin off my nose- I’ll just put it down to the workings of a paranoid and feverish mind. Either that or too much coffee.
Also I am making general points about barbelith, and it is not my intention to funnel the discussion into consideration of a few specific threads.
the points were as simple as I could make them, to be understood by all (with some clarification…!). To discuss them would muddy the meaning. You either agree, disagree, or you don’t know.
I am happy to clarify any points, as I have for evil cyberman, and should anyone agree with the points I have made, which seems unlikely at the time of writing, I am interested in a discussion of what might be changed to make barbelith a better experience for all. Cheers.
EC: I think 2 is what is known as a "get-out clause". It means never having to say you're sorry, or what you meant by something, or whether you actually think it.
No, it doesn’t mean that. I am making a point about censorship ‘for the greater good’- which is not a point of view I happen to subscribe to.
Darque Lorde, I can’t really comment on the psychology of trolls, having never been one, but I certainly don’t think that it is a mature way to behave. I am simply saying- if barbelith has a troll problem, here are some possible reasons that this has come about.
Anyway, I am heartened that a few people think that barbelith is running smoothly lately, and trolls and thread-locks are down. That is really positive. Maybe I should cut down on the coffee, the sniff and the minty nightnurse… straighten up and fly right, finger!
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