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London Terrorist Attacks July 2005

 
  

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paranoidwriter waves hello
21:11 / 11.07.05
I reckon it was the King Edwards lot. Don't they own something like 50% of Brummagem?
 
 
Not Here Still
08:16 / 12.07.05
Heard that Visor interview on the day itself, thought it was a bit of a coincidence but nothing more. Certainly didn't lend itself to conspiracy theorising, and I for one quite like a good conspiracy.

The interview is, as the indymedia piece shows, taking on a life of its own on the internet but didn't sound dodgy at all to me when I heard it. Also, I fail to see how anyone could have thought there were people in the tubes etc from the interview - that's not the way it came across at all.

Anyone who saw Alex Jones in John Ronson's "Them - Adventures with Extremists" will have formed their own opinions on him. I've got mine and I know it isn't good...
 
 
Cat Chant
17:25 / 12.07.05
Was a little freaked out when I got to Leeds station on Sunday to see fiver or six callow youths wandering round the station wearing police uniform and body armour and carrying FUCKING HUGE MACHINE GUNS (or something, I don't know, do I? Too big to put in a holster, anway. About the size of a large two-year-old child). The ticket lady reassured me that apparently there were armed police at all the stations on the GNER Leeds/London line (I'd love to have seen them at Wakefield "tiny little station" Westgate). After we'd been delayed at Birmingham while the British Transport Police came and removed a man from the seat opposite me (why? he hadn't done anything we could see), the train staff waited till we were underway before helpfully announced loudly that there was an unattended bag in the corridor outside the carriage I was in and asking its owner to come and claim it. (Which presumably they did, because no more disruptions/delays, but the train staff didn't think to make an announcement about that. Pfft.)

So I was quite pleased when we made it home (that's home, to our little house just off Hyde Park Road) today without incident.

Oh the irony.

Luckily we're not in the evacuated area, and we missed hearing the controlled explosions, and it looks like the people of Burley are too hot to riot or anything. But, you know. Just the fact that I was there and stuff.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:47 / 12.07.05
Bloody hell, Deva--glad you weren't mixed up in all that...
 
 
Bill Posters
18:19 / 12.07.05
Don't panic Captain Mainwairing!!
 
 
JohnnyThunders
01:45 / 13.07.05
Strange(ish) coincidence re: recent raids on terror suspects in Leeds.

Friend of a friend runs a Muslim newspaper in Leeds, which received a letter a few weeks ago regarding the UK election results. Letter claimed that Blair’s re-election was indicative of the lack of dissent demonstrated by the British Muslim community, and bemoaned their apparent unwillingness to use their vote to express their displeasure with the present government. Aside from the fact that said letter seemed to ignore Bethnal Green, as well as Labour’s drastically reduced overall majority, it was hardly a notable correspondence. Anyways, friend of a friend asked me to respond to the letter, in the hope of starting a debate.

So I emailed off my reply Monday night. And then found out yesterday that one of the houses raided, in Dewsbury, belonged to the author of the letter. Letter is below; not especially fundamentalist or inflammatory as you can see. I know that the guy has been pretty vociferous in his condemnation of Blair & Bush, but his good friends (who are my good friends) seem shocked that he’s viewed by the authorities as being implicit in the attacks on London. Best not to jump to conclusions; especially as I don’t even know the bloke. And I understand that the government has to pursue every lead which they have. I just hope that they don’t use recent events to hassle every Muslim whose dared to be forthright with their criticisms of US/UK foreign policy.

Just like millions of people all over the country, I was waiting in anticipation for the results of the General Election. As the results slowly filtered through, I realised that my biggest nightmare was about to come true, no not Nick Griffin becoming prime minister (although maybe only a matter of time)…..In high density Muslim constituencies, Labour still held the majority vote.
So what! You may wonder? Muslims have always traditionally voted for Labour as their policies have helped the Muslim communities prosper. But just take a look at their record Under Tony Blair. He went into war in Afghanistan, Labour have illegally been bombing Iraq for the last two years, and have failed to resolve the Palestinian situation, where the Muslim holy sites are in danger of being destroyed.
In these three countries alone, the Muslim death toll numbers upwards of hundreds of thousands. And we Muslims continued to put an X next to Labour at the election. Okay, maybe not next to Tony Blair’s name but for Shahid Malik who was the Dewsbury candidate, who for all his good intentions and purposes is still ultimately answerable to Tony Blair. Can Shahid Malik single-handedly bring British troops back or stop another invasion?
I hold Tony Blair, leader of the Labour Party directly responsible for not only Muslim brothers and sisters being killed but also the British and American troops that have lost their lives for George Bush and his government’s hawkish agendas.

To quote Ralph Nader:

The accountability of government has gone to the point where
The very use of the Law is the instrument of illegality

As Muslims this was our chance to show the Labour government that we are not happy with their foreign adventures I find it hard to see innocent Muslims die all around the world because of this War on Terror. Try telling the Iraqi orphans that I voted for the leader who is accountable for your parents being killed. Try telling that to the Palestinian parents whose children are being murdered everyday as a result of British foreign policy. Try telling Reg Briggs???? (who stood against Tony Blair in his local constituency) that I voted for the leader who is responsible for the death of his son.
We as Muslims have an accountability to take care of our ummah, regardless of whether they are our own blood, our neighbour, or even Muslims that live thousands of miles away in another country.
Even without the Muslim vote, Labour might still have won the election, but a big decrease in the labour majority would not only have surprised people, but would have sent shockwaves across Westminster. Muslims would not feel powerless and would have realised we can have a major say in British politics. Jack Straw, was potentially in danger of losing his seat in the Labour heartland of Blackburn. He won in the end, with pretty much the same majority. A sizeable decrease in his majority might have made him think twice before he decides to invade Iran or Syria or any other country that is deemed necessary for regime change.
After Tony Blair won his election he said “We have listened and learned”. We will have to wait and see, but I have heard these kinds of statements before from many a politician. He seems to have developed selective hearing, the hearing that tells him he is always right.
 
 
Cat Chant
09:26 / 13.07.05
Speaking of this:

I just hope that they don’t use recent events to hassle every Muslim who's dared to be forthright with their criticisms of US/UK foreign policy.

had a very weird TV-watching experience last night - after seeing an Australian security expert on the news talking about how "the small community" of people on a bus/train can prevent suicide bombers by looking out for anyone who appears to be "different", we retreated into the (ironically) happier land of 1984 to watch The Beiderbecke Affair on DVD - an episode in which a policeman has a long monologue about how the best way to prevent serious crime is to keep your eye on anyone who acts in a way that could be perceived as "different, eccentric, subversive", since one in a hundred of them might go on to commit a serious crime... and, God, from political satire to political reality in 20 years. Scary.

(Of course, in the Beiderbecke Affair the people who are acting "different" are amiable, charming, white middle-class folk: is that the difference between a satire on Big Brother and the Terrorism Act?)
 
 
Bill Posters
13:16 / 13.07.05
one of the houses raided, in Dewsbury, belonged to the author of the letter

So would this mean the letter came from a relative of one of the "Suicide Bombers of Suburbia"*, rather than one of the actual terrorists? Or does "belonged" mean 'lived in', and are you saying that the author of that may be the author of thursday's carnage? Because if it is, and Sax or any other journalist sees that post and publishes that letter, then it's entirely possible we could be witnessing the beginning of the end of Tony Bliar, right here on Barbelith. (Then again, you could simply be an anti-Blairite making up propoganda, couldn't you?**)

* From today's Daily Mail - you gotta love it.

** No offence, btw, JT; it's just that I'm not round here much these days and I don't know you from Adam.
 
 
Sax
14:40 / 13.07.05
Johnny Thunders, please PM me if this is all above board.
 
 
JohnnyThunders
23:26 / 13.07.05
So would this mean the letter came from a relative of one of the "Suicide Bombers of Suburbia"*, rather than one of the actual terrorists? Or does "belonged" mean 'lived in', and are you saying that the author of that may be the author of thursday's carnage?

'Belonged' means lived in, and perhaps owned as well, although i'm not too sure about the latter. And i'm certainly not suggesting that the letter's author was in anyway involved with what happened last thursday. But somebody somewhere in some kind of authority seems to see some kind of connection. It's a but vague, and there's a lot of conjecture, and i'm not privy to any insider info. Just a few facts which anyone from Dewsbury would probably already know, and a lot of excess speculation.
 
 
Jub
11:00 / 21.07.05
I JUST HEARD THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE?!
 
 
haus of fraser
11:11 / 21.07.05
Jub do you mean another bomb?

i've been looking on the news pages and not seen anything- what's your source?
 
 
Sax
11:11 / 21.07.05
Nothing on the wires about it yet...
 
 
doozy floop
11:21 / 21.07.05
There are certainly a lot of sirens & helicopters disturbing the tranquillity of central London at the moment.

This could also just be normal city-noise, of course, heightened to the sounds of chaos by my paranoia and this here rumour.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
11:22 / 21.07.05
Sky have reported something here, but not many details yet.
 
 
waxy dan
11:31 / 21.07.05
I think there're likely to be a lot of minor incidents at the moment. My partner, walking home from work last night, passed by police, ambulance services and fire brigades closing St.Pauls' station and talking into radios about a gas attack.

This hasn't been reported that I've aware of. It seemed to be a relatively minor incident or just a security precaution. But someone seeing it could easily believe that another bomb had gone off.
 
 
Sax
11:37 / 21.07.05
Looking pretty serious now. Talks of a nail bomb at Goodge Street(poss), other incidents at the Oval and Warren Street. And something about a bus at Hackney.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:37 / 21.07.05
C4 newsflash: Warren Street, Oval and Shepherd's Bush evacuated - and one 'incident' on a bus. Reports of somke at Warren Street.
 
 
Sax
11:38 / 21.07.05
Shurely nail bombs not usual al-Qaida M.O.?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:39 / 21.07.05
BBC latest:

reports of smoke coming from two of the stations and all three have been evacuated.

The whole of the Northern Line has been suspended, along with the Victoria Line and the Hammersmith and City. There are no reports of any casualties.

Police also confirmed that emergency service personnel have responded to reports of an incident on a route 26 bus in Hackney Road.
 
 
Jub
11:40 / 21.07.05
mate of a mate works for transport police. all a bit vague at the mo.
 
 
waxy dan
11:40 / 21.07.05
Shite.

Perhaps that was wishful thinking on my part. I hope not.
 
 
haus of fraser
11:41 / 21.07.05
great looks like i'm walking home again....

no picadilly line, no victoria line....

no buses...
 
 
Olulabelle
11:41 / 21.07.05
What's happening? Can't view any of the news sites.
 
 
Psych Safeling
11:42 / 21.07.05
Bomb on bus, looks like Shoreditch end Hackney Rd. Nail bomb Warren St.
 
 
Psych Safeling
11:42 / 21.07.05
Other things on Sky about Shepherds Bush and Oval.
 
 
Ariadne
11:43 / 21.07.05
The BBC's still reporting what Goodness Gracious Meme's posted above, olulabelle, no more details yet.
 
 
Sax
11:43 / 21.07.05
No injuries reported yet, Lula. Bus is cordoned off in Hackney. Reports of smoke from Shepherd's Bush, Oval and Warren Street tubes. Unconfirmed reports that a passenger "saw a rucksack explode". What people might have thought were gunshots were apparently detonators. Two weeks to the day since the last bombs...
 
 
Triplets
11:44 / 21.07.05
Sky News: Nothing confirmed as yet. No reported fatalities.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:44 / 21.07.05
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm

BBC says:

'Incidents' spark Tube evacuation

Emergency services have been called to three Tube stations after "incidents", Scotland Yard said.
Police confirmed they had been called to Warren Street, Oval and Shepherd's Bush stations.

There have been reports of smoke coming from two of the stations and all three have been evacuated.

The whole of the Northern Line has been suspended, along with the Victoria Line and the Hammersmith and City. There are no reports of any casualties.

Police also confirmed that emergency service personnel have responded to reports of an incident on a route 26 bus in Hackney Road.

A spokesman for London Underground said the nature of the incidents was unknown.

One hospital, near Warren St station, has started its emergency plan.

Sosiane Mohellavi, 35, was travelling from Oxford Circus to Walthamstow when she was evacuated from a train at Warren Street.

"I was in the carriage and we smelt smoke - it was like something was burning.

"Everyone was panicked and people were screaming. We had to pull the alarm. I am still shaking."

But a BBC reporter outside Warren St station said there was no sign of smoke outside.
 
 
Olulabelle
11:45 / 21.07.05
Thank you Sax and Ariadne.

Jesus fucking christ.
 
 
Sax
11:46 / 21.07.05
Smoke bombs? Very poor taste hoax?
 
 
illmatic
11:47 / 21.07.05
Seems very odd timing if aiming for a re-run of 7/7.

Hope that thing about no casualties is right.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:48 / 21.07.05
or piggybacking? The unconfirmed nail bomb seems unlikely, as Sax says, to be same people as the attacks of two weeks ago.
 
 
Jub
11:50 / 21.07.05
from:
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1189833,00.html

Victoria Line train passenger Ivan McCracken told Sky News he spoke to an Italian man who witnessed an explosion just after the train arrived at the platform.

"He told me he had seen a man carrying a rucksack which suddenly exploded. It was a minor explosion but enough to blow open his rucksack. Everyone rushed from the carriage. People evacuated very quickly. There was no panic.

"I didn't see anyone injured but there was shock and fright.

"There was a smell of smoke."

"The man who was holding the rucksack looked extremely dismayed.



I'll bet he did! Fucking simpleton.
 
  

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