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London Terrorist Attacks July 2005

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:44 / 09.07.05
Glad to hear it, grant... last I heard was last night (our time) when they were worrying what it would do in Florida... glad it's all okay.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
15:33 / 09.07.05
Sorry looks like reports of unexploded bombs were unfounded. It was, I thought, a reliable news source.

July 9, 2005 The Guardian
A senior Scotland Yard source said that CCTV footage of the underground could also provide valuable evidence. The police refused, however, to comment on reports that timers had been found, which would be a clear indication that the terrorists were not suicide bombers.

Scotland Yard also dismissed reports from the US that two unexploded bombs had been discovered.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
16:02 / 09.07.05
Hurricane Dennis? I missed that on the news. Sheesh! Glad you're OK Grant, but surprised at the nasty elemental twist. Anyone else out that way? Hope you're coping and showing your grit. Grrrr.....

I didn't get much sleep last night (hence the heavy prose) and did some removals work this morning and I'm knackered. Apologies. Weird thing is, I just tried to have a lie down and was nearly asleep when I heard / felt a massive bang which reverberated throughout my weary frame. Bearing in mind that I'm almost convinced our nearly three hundred year old dwelling is "alive", that many people reside between these rickety walls, and bangs are not uncommon; I thought to myself: "Again?..."

I got up and dressed, convinced it was all in my head, asked a neighbour "Did you hear that bang?" He said "no" and I thought f**k it: go and have a coffee and a smoke, and read some Barbelith.

I've banned my fingers from touching the keyboard again for the rest of the day, and I'm off now for a nice hot bath. So come on people: give me happy?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
18:46 / 09.07.05
Oh praise JD, the one whose name sounds like a bounty hunter but who is Holier and harder than poor Domino Harvey and Boba Fett put together, and who holds the cards like a man with a plan.

"Doo-doo heads inside my brain." Oh yay, praise him... I gots me a happy!

(Note: I could have put this in 'Barbequotes' or 'Give Me a Happy', but I thought it would sit better here - hope ya'll don't mind the threadrot.)
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:12 / 09.07.05
grant is hurricane proof!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:43 / 09.07.05
grant, dude, have you ever thought about not living where hurricanes come to party every year?
 
 
ibis the being
21:03 / 09.07.05
Do we think any of the bombs were "dirty"?

It was a "high explosive," which means packing a lot of power but requiring a substantial kick from a detonator of some sort to make it go off.

Not that anyone's said otherwise, but I just want to clarify that "dirty bombs" are not like typical nukes in that they spread radiation out from the blast area. Typically they contain just enough radioactive material to make what would be a smallish blast into a huge blast - anything that might leak or spread at the site would be no more radiation than you'd get from standing next to a microwave oven.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:17 / 09.07.05
Inner city Birmingham has been evacuated.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:33 / 09.07.05
On BBC radio they are saying that "The police say they are acting on a credible threat and evacuating 20,000 people is preportionate to the threat they have received."
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
21:41 / 09.07.05
Leave - Brummagem - alone. 'Nuff said.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:24 / 10.07.05
BBC's Have Your Say section has testimonials from people who were asked to leave the centre of Birmingham here.
 
 
Triplets
01:01 / 10.07.05
Not that anyone's said otherwise, but I just want to clarify that "dirty bombs" are not like typical nukes in that they spread radiation out from the blast area. Typically they contain just enough radioactive material to make what would be a smallish blast into a huge blast

Not reeeeally, as that's actually what a nuclear bomb does (uses conventional explosives to produce a massive energy release in weaponised uranium). A dirty bomb is foremost a psychological weapon. From wikipedia:

The term dirty bomb is most often used to refer to a Radiological Dispersal Device (RDD), a radiological weapon which combines radioactive material with conventional explosives. Though an RDD is designed to disperse radioactive material over a large area, the conventional explosive would likely have more immediate lethal effect than the radioactive material. At levels created from most probable sources, not enough radiation would be present to cause severe illness or death. A test explosion and subsequent calculations done by the Department of Energy found that assuming nothing is done to clean up the affected area and everyone stays in the affected area for 1 year, the radiation exposure would be "fairly high".

Because a terrorist dirty bomb is likely to cause few deaths, many do not consider one to be a weapon of mass destruction. Its purpose would presumably be to create psychological, not physical, harm through mass panic and terror. Additionally, decontamination of the affected area might require considerable time and expense, rendering affected areas unusable, and causing extensive economic damage.
 
 
Triplets
01:03 / 10.07.05
Of course, a more cynical person could say the mentioning of a dirty bomb could be just as valid a psychological weapon. Hmm.
 
 
ibis the being
04:27 / 10.07.05
The term dirty bomb is most often used to refer to a Radiological Dispersal Device (RDD), a radiological weapon which combines radioactive material with conventional explosives. Though an RDD is designed to disperse radioactive material over a large area, the conventional explosive would likely have more immediate lethal effect than the radioactive material. At levels created from most probable sources, not enough radiation would be present to cause severe illness or death. A test explosion and subsequent calculations done by the Department of Energy found that assuming nothing is done to clean up the affected area and everyone stays in the affected area for 1 year, the radiation exposure would be "fairly high".

Interesting. I know everyone loves wikipedia, but it seems they've selected part of the NRC fact sheet but omitted the part that is less scary and pretty much what I was saying earlier --

Basically, the principal type of dirty bomb, or Radiological Dispersal Device (RDD), combines a conventional explosive, such as dynamite, with radioactive material. In most instances, the conventional explosive itself would have more immediate lethality than the radioactive material. At the levels created by most probable sources, not enough radiation would be present in a dirty bomb to kill people or cause severe illness. For example, most radioactive material employed in hospitals for diagnosis or treatment of cancer is sufficiently benign that about 100,000 patients a day are released with this material in their bodies.

However, certain other radioactive materials, dispersed in the air, could contaminate up to several city blocks, creating fear and possibly panic and requiring potentially costly cleanup. Prompt, accurate, non-emotional public information might prevent the panic sought by terrorists.

A second type of RDD might involve a powerful radioactive source hidden in a public place, such as a trash receptacle in a busy train or subway station, where people passing close to the source might get a significant dose of radiation.

A dirty bomb is in no way similar to a nuclear weapon. The presumed purpose of its use would be therefore not as a Weapon of Mass Destruction but rather as a Weapon of Mass Disruption.
 
 
Triplets
04:35 / 10.07.05
But what I was trying to point out was that you said, specifically, that what you called a "dirty bomb" would have a significantly bigger blast radius, which isn't the case.

I never actually said (for or against) a dirty bomb having a longer lasting radiological effect, so you seem to have missed my point entirely.
 
 
Triplets
04:36 / 10.07.05
I've played Metal Gear Solid! I know what I'm talking about!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:50 / 10.07.05
Following the incidents in London:

East Anglian Ambulance Service have relaunched their national "In case of
Emergency (ICE) ". The idea is that you store the word "ICE" in your mobile

phone address book, and against it enter the number of the person you would
want to be
contacted "In Case of Emergency".

For more than one contact name ICE1, ICE2, ICE3 etc .

In an emergency situation ambulance and hospital staff will then be able to
quickly find out who your next of kin are and be able to contact them.

It's so simple that everyone can do it.
 
 
Bill Posters
13:54 / 10.07.05
Indeed, this thread is specifically devoted to this idea.
 
 
Sax
11:59 / 11.07.05
Bradford city centre appears to be being closed down as we speak...
 
 
Ariadne
12:03 / 11.07.05
Shit. Have you heard much about it? Is it being evacuated, like Birmingham?
 
 
Sax
12:04 / 11.07.05
Not sure. They've started closing off streets and appear to be widening the cordon.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:06 / 11.07.05
I'm guessing we'll see a lot of this kind of thing over the next couple of weeks. I'm hoping that's all it is, anyway.

Take care of yourself, though, Sax.
 
 
Ariadne
12:08 / 11.07.05
Yeah, be careful. I want to say 'get away from there' but that's a dumb thing to say to a journalist.
 
 
Not Here Still
12:10 / 11.07.05
No Bradford updates I can find online, though Sax is in a pretty good position to know what's going on. I think that we'll see a lot more of these as increased vigilance leads to people keeping a closer eye on suspect packages. Hope that's all it is.

In light of that, this should almost go in the inappropriate responses thread, though it's been linked to here.

Yes, it's Omarion time again.

How not to do PR, lesson two - deny the original story took place:

A post Friday morning attacked the piece, which had quoted the performer's alleged publicist, Shana Gilmore: "Statements and sentiments appearing in a Reuters-syndicated article and attributed to the American R&B singer Omarion were never made by the performer. Contrary to statements made in the article, Omarion is in no way affiliated with the firm AR PR Marketing nor is 'publicist Shana Gilmore' a legitimate publicist acting on behalf of the artist. Omarion regrets any confusion and sends his thoughts and prayers to the families of the victims of this horrific tragedy."
 
 
Not Here Still
12:17 / 11.07.05
With Bradford in mind, list of alerts from Gruniad:



Within hours of the London blasts, there were bomb scares across the country

· Thursday

Edinburgh Controlled explosions on two suspect packages in Princes Street

Hereford Suspect package destroyed outside a Co-op. Residents evacuated

Brighton Suspect package destroyed at Brighton station. Residents evacuated

Portsmouth Police close Portsmouth harbour for three hours after a hoax call

· Friday

London Liverpool Street, Euston and Charing Cross stations evacuated after suspect packages found

Edinburgh Bomb disposal team called to George Street after suspect package found

Worcester Swimming pool used as evacuation centre after suspect package found

· Saturday

Manchester Piccadilly station closed after suspect package found

Kent Ashford International station evacuated after unattended luggage found



Meanwhile, the Birmingham evacuation was started in part by a firework:

Ch Supt Peter Goodman said West Midlands Police had received intelligence which gave a "credible and specific" threat.

He said a box with wires and a switch was found in a hotel room and a separate package was reported on a bus.

Both turned out to be harmless but police said they reinforced the information that the city had been targeted.

 
 
Sax
12:21 / 11.07.05
Latest is it's a "suspect package" at a Bradford Council office building, which they're going to do a controlled explosion on over the next half hour.

It's probably just the file on my council tax arrears, to be honest.
 
 
Not Here Still
12:33 / 11.07.05
Omarion has heard about your council tax arrears and is praying for you, Sax...
 
 
Not Here Still
13:57 / 11.07.05
Suicide bomber novel adverts pulled - some not soon enough.

Waterstone's said they took immediate steps to try to stop the adverts from being printed, although some have already appeared as posters on London Underground.

It's a coincidence rather than a sick stunt though...
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
14:14 / 11.07.05
Wow! As I've typed elsewhere on Barbelith stuff like this (Chris Cleave's novel) reminds me of all those artists who's work seemed to pre-echo 9/11. e.g. Michael Richards.
 
 
Bill Posters
14:31 / 11.07.05
On a similar note, I am curious to know how specious this claim is and if it's true, whether we put it down to coincidence, unconscious premonition or - as some of our chums on Indymedia prefer - conspiracy.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
14:43 / 11.07.05
Hmmm... I guess (come to think of it) specific examples like the novel mentioned above are not so "spooky", seeing as the author no doubt took their inspiration from the state of today's world and that an attack on London wasn't a complete surprise, etc.

As for the 'Visor Consultants' example, now that's what I call a weird coincidence. (BTW, "Peter Powers"? What a name! Another example of Nominative Pre-determinism?) I'd love to know the name of the company/client they were working for.
 
 
w1rebaby
14:44 / 11.07.05
This has come up on Urban75 and (no offence) it winds me up; it's irrelevant. There are plenty of terrorism preparedness plans and exercises happening all the time, and many are going to include major transport centres being bombed. It's not too bizarre that there was one going on on Thursday morning.

If you read the quotes (e.g. short extract) rather than the editorialising you find that the former contradict the latter; the exercise did not "mirror... the exact locations and times of the bombings" at all. It took place later on (still in the morning, but that too is a good bet, transport bombings take place in rush hour) and included mainline stations.

Always assume that anything coming from Alex Jones is drivel until absolutely conclusively proved otherwise. He has a long history of distortion, deliberately misleading argument and just plain lies.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:46 / 11.07.05
Crisis management exercise on the scene my arse.
 
 
Bill Posters
15:27 / 11.07.05
IMHO the conspiracy angle is indeed drivel, almost annoying as 'the Jews knew this would happen' parlarva we had on thursday, but i for one still think it's a splendid bit of coincidence.
 
 
adamswish
19:20 / 11.07.05
hey what's good for the capital is good for the "second city" (that's supposed to be my dirty little town Birmingham).

Got caught up in the evacuation (three bars in the night, second time got kicked off the entire street) and have to say it was very civilised and even a little fun.

Depending on who you listen too it was either a "clear and present" danger (official line), a training "what if" scenario staged by the authorities (my dad), or the Cadbury family and their Quaker friends sick and tired of Brum's drinking and finding a great way of closing all the bars, pubs and clubs in the city down for a night (ok I tried to start that one).
 
  

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