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London Terrorist Attacks July 2005

 
  

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unheimlich manoeuvre
08:53 / 08.07.05
Sax - Pretty calm up here so far. We've been running "appeals for calm" from the usual sources; Bishop's office, Council of Mosques etc. I did an interview for today's rag with Paul Rogers, professor of Peace Studies at Bradford Uni, in which he was pretty much calling for a "Madrid-style" response from the people.

Still, didn't stop the BNP immediately putting up on their website the "fact" that Asian stallholders at one of the Bradford markets were cheering at the bombing news yesterday morning. Which is completely unsubstantiated and highly unlikely. What a bunch of knobs.


Gah, BNP!

Was the response in Madrid that peaceful? I heard RUMOURS that there were some attacks against *suspected* muslims that were not reported to police?

I hope (please, please, please) that there is solidarity with muslims (and those accused of it) everywhere...
 
 
Jub
08:57 / 08.07.05
God. Harsh business.

I walked home from London Bridge around the city, past Camden and back to Golders Green - took me two and a half hours. I was quite happy to see everyone just tramping along. No impatience at all, everyone just tramping on. It was quite peaceful in a busy kind of way. I've never seen so many people on the south bank for example except on the weekends, so seeing hoards of suit people rather than your hotch potch of tourist clothes - it was strange. Plus of course, every single pub on the way home was packed to the rafters with sunny Londoners.

This morning was eerily quiet on the tube. Guess a lot of people got the day off.
 
 
Axolotl
09:11 / 08.07.05
My mum is a classroom assistant in a school just outside London, she told me the following last night which really got to me for some reason. She said that one of her pupils who is a muslim came up to make sure she knew that it's not "proper" muslims who carry out such things.
 
 
Smoothly
09:28 / 08.07.05
It's a grim thought that the investigators still can't work out exactly how many bodies there are, either on the tube or the bus. They're estimating that there are at least 50+ though. Whatever your feelings about the Police, you've got a spare a thought for those dealing with the aftermath. Mention of the problem of 'vermin' on the tube really sent a shiver up my spine.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:30 / 08.07.05
Totally. I know I can sometimes be less than flattering about the rozzers, but in a situation like this they have my utmost respect.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
09:32 / 08.07.05
All the emergency services did very well, as well as the likes of the bus drivers who were ferrying casualties and hotels being used for triage.
 
 
Spaniel
09:40 / 08.07.05
Phyre, my colleague is northern Irish. Her son - born and bred in London - used to be bullied at school because of his racial heritage. After a particularly nasty IRA bombing she opened her front door to find the local kids beating the crap out of him and spitting in his face, while their parents looked on.

Nice, eh?
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:42 / 08.07.05
Much respect to the ferry services too, they could have made a packet transporting people home. Instead they did it for free. Good show fellas.

Glad to hear everyone on the 'Lith is okay.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:47 / 08.07.05
The real-time tube map.

Some of the news-sources seem to be vague on whether each bomb had a suicide bomber attached (apart from the bus bomb). Unattended bags?
 
 
Axolotl
09:50 / 08.07.05
Boboss - that's awful. I just hope that people have enough sense not to get involved in any kind of anti-islamic backlash. It's an obvious point but all Londoners, regardless of creed, were just as much targeted by the scum who did this.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
10:06 / 08.07.05
Our Lady - July 8 (Bloomberg)
"Unexploded Bombs

Police recovered two unexploded bombs in London, U.S. network ABC News reported on its Web site, citing unidentified American officials who said they got their information from British investigators. They also found parts of timing devices that were used in the bombs, the report said."
 
 
Cat Chant
10:06 / 08.07.05
Here in my tiny corner of Leeds yesterday, our local off-licence/sweetshop (run by Sikhs) closed for the day; our local greengrocers (run by Muslims) didn't; and there was a fucking big police van parked aggressively across the entrance to the mosque on our corner - we think guarding it rather than responding to an "incident", but still a bit distressing.
 
 
Psych Safeling
11:36 / 08.07.05
One of the very few genuinely lovely boys at my work has not yet checked in after texting that he was on a bus from Euston to KX at about 9.40 yesterday. Refusing to believe that he's not just in shock somewhere. Can anyone tell me reassuring stories of people who've been involved in explosions/accidents and forgotten their names/phone numbers?
 
 
modern maenad
12:10 / 08.07.05
Deva - lunchtime news on R4 said there'd been a petrol bomb attack on mosque in leeds, though didn't say which mosque. You heard any more?
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
12:20 / 08.07.05
Pisses you off, I think I saw some of the best behaviour of British people possible yesterday and some wank satin is using it as an excuse for the worst.

Nice.
 
 
Saveloy
12:22 / 08.07.05
This is completely inappropriate: I like the phrase 'wank satin'. Naughty.

I hope reid dosen't correct his post or that's going to look very odd.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:23 / 08.07.05
Psych S. - if he was going from Euston to KX he should have been on Euston Road, not going down towards Russell Square.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
12:24 / 08.07.05
Well I know what I meant!

Fuck it! I'd be able to correct it as well if it wasn't for that damn Saveloy!
 
 
Psych Safeling
13:12 / 08.07.05
That's what we were hoping (and wasn't it supposed to be Hackney-Marble Arch, which is entirely the opposite direction?), but BBC is showing two other people missing who also texted/called saying they were on a bus from Euston-KX. I think it was maybe the Marble Arch-Hackney and it was diverted away from KX after train bomb. Thanks, though.

Still nothing. His bro-in-law is on Sky news intermittently looking amazingly calm. It's amazing how closeness seems to defy pessimism. I guess you only think the worst until it's too bad for you to cope with.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:13 / 08.07.05
The death toll now stands at 50 dead, with 22 people in a critical condition according to the Guardian. The number of dead looks set to rise, of course, because it's hard to get all those people out of the tunnels.


I can't help thinking of all those families waiting on tenterhooks for news. I am so grateful that the first I heard of this was Lurid phoning me to say he was safe, and I'm so terribly sorry for all the people who won't be getting a similar call.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
13:18 / 08.07.05
Bloody hell. I'm glad I caught the 73.
 
 
Ganesh
13:22 / 08.07.05
Well, there's around 700 injured, isn't there? Even assuming the vast majority are superficial wounds, one might expect rather more of a death-from-injuries count.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:37 / 08.07.05
Of the 700, it appears that about 350 have been put in hospital, which is horrible but still lower than it could have been.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
13:49 / 08.07.05
I catch the 168 every single day from the exact spot where the 30 blew up yesterday...get off on the side it blew in the morning, get on on the other side of the road at night...

Spooky spooky. Luckily I have a vicious dose of bronchitis and was safely tucked up on the sofa with a head full of Beechams on the day. Watching the news and seeing almost every shot containing streets, shops and landmarks I'm around every single day is quite freaky.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
15:01 / 08.07.05
They're saying 13 people died in the bus explosion. I don't know exactly why - probably because I use the buses as my main form of transport - but that jsut makes me feel even worse than I did yesterday. All those poor people.
 
 
Smoothly
15:12 / 08.07.05
To be honest, considering that bus was likely to be packed, I'm surprised there were so many survivors. I look at that picture of the wreckage, and think it went from being a normal bus to that in, what, half a second? Considering the bomb was powerful enough to rip steel apart like it was tin foil, I shudder to think what it would do to flash and bone. It's just a horrible thought and my heart goes out to anyone who so much as saw it happen.
 
 
HCE
03:27 / 09.07.05
"First I heard of it in LA was an email from Ex this morning letting me know what had happened, and that my dad and a large chunk of my friends were fine."

Heard about this from Scrubb and wanted to say what incredible presence of mind in a wretched situation I think it shows. Deeply admirable of you, Ex.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:02 / 09.07.05
Just heard something mad on the Today programme- they've found the bus driver. Apparently he helped survivors get out, then, in a state of shock, started walking West. Several hours (and seven miles) later, he ended up in Acton and walked into the hospital there.
Not sure why, but that really made me go "fucking HELL!!!"
 
 
Benny the Ball
07:22 / 09.07.05
there was two really interesting eye-witness things in the Independent yesterday - one was from a guy who was called over by the bus driver a couple of seconds before the bomb went off because the driver was on diversion and was either asking what was happening or where he was and the other was from a man who was actually on the bus but decided to get off a few seconds before the blast because he said something didn't feel right. Not as good as the driver thing though - I wonder how many people have just wandered off in total shock?
 
 
Seth
08:27 / 09.07.05
started walking West

Maybe he was a Tolkien fan and was just doing what Frodo did.
 
 
Cat Chant
11:06 / 09.07.05
modern_maenad - wasn't our mosque, but one in Armley - a fire started in a toilet, looks like it didn't do much damage or hurt anyone. There's a news report on the BBC here, with a comment from a member of the mosque demonstrating good old British stiffness of upper lip (it's not very nice, he said of the arson).
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
11:55 / 09.07.05
I've been hearing a few dark facts about the bus bomb. Apparently a guy who survived the blast said he had seen another male passenger (who he thinks was the bomber) who kept fiddling in his bag. The witness said the guy must have put his hands in the bag at least fourteen times in the space of their short journey and the witness said this seemed odd at the time. However, the witness didn't have a scratch on him and I figured that was odd seeing as he must have been sitting close to the supposed "bomber" to note that he was messing around with his luggage. That said, the initial photographs after the explosion show people standing on the top deck in a daze with no obvious signs of injury.

Apparently, the bus was on diversion (containing some passengers who should have been on the tube), that the driver pulled over to ask two traffic-wardens for directions and this was when the bomb was detonated. This made me think that the bomber was probably already panicking (i.e. the bag fiddling, and also because of the diversion) saw the two men in uniform and may have triggered the bomb by mistake.

It was while I was thinking about this that two of my friends arrived at my place last night to ask me if they could leave their canine companion, Leela, in my care for the evening. They both live just off Tottenham Court Road and I'd been worried as I hadn't heard from them. To my horror, they began to tell me their stories of the day, and turns out that the female half of the couple had been only seconds away from the bus bomb, as she was heading for Tavistock Square to take Leela for a walk, as they do every morning. She said she'd started out from their flat then felt weird as though she'd left the gas on, so turned back to go home and check. After leaving the house for the second time, she was waiting at a traffic lights and noted how loads of emergency vehicles were zooming around and slowing the traffic. That was when she heard the explosion. Instinctively, she bent down and scooped up Leela in her arms, but she said the blast sounded more like a scaffolding beam being dropped from a great height. Indeed, she was in half a mind to tell off the nearest labourer (of which there were none in sight, of course) for being so inconsiderate. She said that she still felt weird but headed off for Tavistock Square as per usual. And this is where it gets nasty. My friend said that as she turned into the square she saw a traffic warden lying flat on his back in the middle of the green with another warden standing next to him with a look of bewilderment on his face. His eyes met my friend's and that was when she knew something was horribly wrong. As other passers-by gathered around the wardens, my my friend decided to get the hell out of there. On her way home she began to cry as the shock hit her, but (God love her) she still managed to have a go at a bunch of Scientologists (re: the Inappropriate Response Thread) who were handing out leaflets amid the panic and (in her words) "milking the situation".

I've heard many people saying things like "I could have been on that bus, etc", but this is the closest any of my loved ones came to disaster. F**king scary. If she hadn't returned home before going back out to walk Leela......
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:23 / 09.07.05
Poor people. I heard a couple of things which relate to this: that the witness from the bus got off a couple of stops beforehand (and looked the chap fiddling with his bag in the face as he was at the top of the stairs - brrr) - which would explain the no injury thing also. Also that the driver had stopped to ask the traffic wardens the way as he wasn't familiar with the diversion route, and that while one of them was unhurt, the other had a serious leg injury.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
12:46 / 09.07.05
Kit-Cat Club, you're right: "brrrr..."

My brain's been doing cartwheels ever since I found out about all this, and I'm getting dizzy from the swirling mass of details and issues, etc.

In the past, I've often fallen into "End of the World" Morpheus-esque discussions with a particular group of close friends, and (despite not being convinced either way) I have always tried to remain balanced in the face of their doom and gloom: "It's going downhill, fast. We've got ten years before the world changes so dramatically none of us will recognise it." Don't get me wrong, they're VERY smart people and back up what they say with accurate facts (I've checked), but I'm often slated by them for being naive or optimistic when I remind them of the other, more positive side of the argument. e.g. a hundred years ago even less people were educated and not starving as there are now; what Ilya Prigogine's theory of dissipative structures shows us about evolution; and/or that, if there is a universal (un)consciousness, then doesn't logic dictate that THIS is all part of the plan? etc, etc...

But for f**k's sake! Suicide bombing has finally made the leap to my doorstep, ID cards seem inevitable, people are actually talking on my vidi-screen about a justified erosion of civil liberties, the "Allies" are hell bent on war for peace's sake, the environment is at critical mass, etc, etc.

Go on, please, someone tell me something positive?
 
 
grant
14:24 / 09.07.05
Hurricane Dennis missed my house last night?

No, really -- you're in the middle of something positive right now. Just read this thread.
 
  

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