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London Terrorist Attacks July 2005

 
  

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grant
15:24 / 07.07.05
There's an eyewitness account from the Kings X train on CNN here that mentions flashes of light on either side of the carriage and, when people broke windows to try to get more air, smoke coming in from outside.

Hmm. Same thing could happen if a bomb went off in the next car ahead, I suppose, but still, I can't help but wonder if they were trying to collapse the tunnel or something.

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And, just because I haven't come out and said it, I'm also quite impressed with all of you. What Sekhmet said.
 
 
Sekhmet
15:24 / 07.07.05
Or gas bombs. Or canisters of biological agents. Or any number of other things.

It definitely could have been worse, but...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:24 / 07.07.05
just wanted to say that i'm glad everyone seems to be ok. I feel awful for what has happened.

i consider a lot of you my friends, so i was immediately thinking of Barbelith this morning when hearing the news.
 
 
A0S
15:24 / 07.07.05
I just home to Tooting. Some trains are running and the buses seem OKish.
 
 
grant
15:29 / 07.07.05
In case I wasn't being grim enough before, if there were canisters of bio agents along with the bombs, you wouldn't know it yet.

I don't think that's very likely -- you really need to get people close to a bio agent, and with a bomb, the closest people tend not to make decent disease vectors. The mail is much better.
 
 
ShadowSax
15:29 / 07.07.05
from former nyc lower manhattan office worker, witness to wtc attacks, this a big shout out etc to londoners and all y'all. whether smaller than could have been or bigger than you want while eating breakfast/going to work/trying to fucking live, it's all just what it is. just feel what you feel; it's good to be able to talk and i just want to send out all kinds of cosmic good thoughts your way if you're there or even otherwise concerned. hang in there, there are so many millions thinking of you and ready to help when we can.
 
 
haus of fraser
15:34 / 07.07.05
I'm off home now- i just heard from a collegue that left about half an hour ago that its still pretty chaotic- lots of roads shut and hardly any buses- looks like i'm walking

its been a nasty day but thanks for talking barbelith....


(...now about the big brother house mates, will they tell them?)
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
15:36 / 07.07.05
Bill's fine, just spoken to him.
 
 
The Strobe
15:36 / 07.07.05
But - horrible thought - perhaps the sardined people around the explosion actually muffled it and reduced the fatalities? Or maybe it was in the end of an end carriage, effectively halving the potential injuries/deaths?

Almost certainly. There's only so much force and only so many places it can go. The bus was effectively destroyed, but all things considered, the blast didn't do that much damage outside it - smashed windows from shockwave, damage to walls, etc. A similar sized device on the Tube could do very serious damage to the carriage it was in - and indeed, that sounds like what happened - but barely effect much of the train.

The thought that keeps disturbing me is the obvious reason we don't know how many people were killed on the bus (and it is clearly a very, very high proportion): we don't know how many there were to begin with, and there are too many bits - if there are bits at all. I've found the images - and thoughts - of the wounded playing a lot on my thoughts today.

And now, I'm walking home, from Victoria, hopefully to Brixton or Herne Hill but possibly further...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:37 / 07.07.05
Just watching Blair's speech, which was quite fun in a 'you try to intimidate us but we will not be intimidated' way. It's all Carry On Up the Khyber. I need crumpets now.
 
 
Red Cross Iodized Salt
15:38 / 07.07.05
I'm happy to hear that the London 'lithers are safe. I'm still in the process of calling and emailing friends to make sure all are OK. So far my personal news has been good and I hope the same is true for all of you.

I'll echo ShadowSax's comments above. Hang in there London.
 
 
ghadis
15:42 / 07.07.05
Well, after sitting at home most of the day listening to almost constant sirens through the window i've just heard an ice-cream van drive past jingling away and it's put a huge grin on my face!!! I do love this town!!

Anyway, glad all you Barbloids are safe.
 
 
Ganesh
15:43 / 07.07.05
Bush's WE R TEH G00D GUYZ!!!1! speech is just as aggravating the second time around.
 
 
ShadowSax
15:44 / 07.07.05
at the risk of sounding something else than how i want to sound (tho well used to accepting that risk of course, and prodding along anyways), there is something tight and smart about the way blair moves about in the light of these things as opposed to the way our guy bushy does. makes me wish that teddy roosevelt was on the red phone in the oval office when something bad happens here instead of goofy the drunk clown.

i admire the british resolve, thats for sure. hate him or love him, at least from over here, he seems to be someone to rally the opposing sides into something resembling courage. all bushy does is make half of us wish that he was someone else, while making the other half want to beat us lefties up with their fecking bibles.
 
 
Ganesh
15:46 / 07.07.05
hate him or love him, at least from over here, he seems to be someone to rally the opposing sides into something resembling courage.

Hate him. He's fucking responsible for this.
 
 
Bear
15:47 / 07.07.05
I'm so glad everyone (from here) is cool, with so many people working and living in the areas it was quite a worry.

I'm now doing the sensible thing and getting drunk.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:51 / 07.07.05
Bush's WE R TEH G00D GUYZ!!!1! speech is just as aggravating the second time around.

It just doesn't work in a country that dealt with IRA threats so consistently, especially when we're aware that politically Bush has targetted us by partly putting us in this position in the first place. Blair's more aware that he needs to galvanise people by mentioning intimidating tactics, which is very English when you consider how 'intimidated' London has potentially been in the last century.
 
 
future101
16:01 / 07.07.05
Sky News are now saying there's a suspicious package on a bus at Victoria and the police are telling people to get away from the station. Network Rail have confirmed.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:06 / 07.07.05
Just seen Blair's speech. His speech patterns really are fucked up, pauses in all the wrong places, it's like he's had William Shatner as his speech coach.
 
 
Warewullf
16:10 / 07.07.05
37 dead.

700 injured.

Source: Police bloke on BBC news just now. (6.10pm)
 
 
pacha perplexa
16:12 / 07.07.05
I heard about it this morning. Awful! I hope everyone's fine (keep thiking about the great folks I met in London), and that this was the last of it.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
16:20 / 07.07.05
I imagine Blair's as shocked as everyone else, it's entirely possible that his children were in London when this happened, which is enough to make anyone's heart stop. For once I can forgive his stilted speech patterns because this is his home as well.
 
 
Nik
16:26 / 07.07.05
Bush's WE R TEH G00D GUYZ!!!1! speech is just as aggravating the second time around.

i hit the mute each time he comes on. be sure and let me know if he says anything brilliant, cuz i'll miss it.
 
 
Spaniel
16:28 / 07.07.05
It is to see so many 'Lithers come out of the woodwork.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:43 / 07.07.05
I'm not sure I've ever seen a politician look as genuinely affected as Ken Livingstone did today. Then again, he's not yr average politician, really.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
16:45 / 07.07.05
Does anyone have a link to Livingstone's statement? I'd like to watch it in full.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:45 / 07.07.05
Fuck. I just woke up to find my local news chattering about the weather, local traffic, a children's pirate musical being put on tomorrow and oh yeah, 30 Londoners dead from terrorist attacks.

Stupid fucking American news. Thank god for this thread. Many thoughts, love, big hugs and karmic merit sent your way today, guys.
 
 
grant
16:52 / 07.07.05
Here's the full text of Livingstone's speech.
 
 
invisible_al
16:52 / 07.07.05
Here's something I picked up off Livejournal. Respec' in a word.

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Traditionally, it's round about now that the Home Office dusts off the latest set of draconian powers which they've been waiting to shove through Parliament on a dodgy topical pretext. With that in mind, this is as good a time as any to remind ourselves of just how badly the courts slapped down the last bunch, in A -v- Home Secretary last December, in which the government argued that Al Qaeda were a "threat to the life of the nation" and therefore justified the arbitrary detention without trial of foreign terrorist suspects. Lord Hoffman:-

"...The question is whether such a threat is a threat to the life of the nation. The Attorney General's submissions and the judgment of the Special Immigration Appeals Commission treated a threat of serious physical damage and loss of life as necessarily involving a threat to the life of the nation. But in my opinion this shows a misunderstanding of what is meant by 'threatening the life of the nation'. Of course the government has a duty to protect the lives and property of its citizens. But that is a duty which it owes all the time and which it must discharge without destroying our constitutional freedoms. There may be some nations too fragile or fissiparous to withstand a serious act of violence. But that is not the case in the United Kingdom...

This is a nation which has been tested in adversity, which has survived physical destruction and catastrophic loss of life. I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive Al-Qaeda. The Spanish people have not said that what happened in Madrid, hideous crime as it was, threatened the life of their nation. Their legendary pride would not allow it. Terrorist violence, serious as it is, does not threaten our institutions of government or our existence as a civil community...

The real threat to the life of the nation, in the sense of a people living in accordance with its traditional laws and political values, comes not from terrorism but from laws such as these. That is the true measure of what terrorism may achieve. It is for Parliament to decide whether to give the terrorists such a victory."
 
 
ibis the being
16:53 / 07.07.05
Fuck. I just woke up to find my local news chattering about the weather, local traffic, a children's pirate musical being put on tomorrow and oh yeah, 30 Londoners dead from terrorist attacks.

Yeah, what the hell is that about? This morning I turned on those morning network news shows, and apart from a brief breaking news flash it was bullshit, I mean business, as usual. I turned it off and switched on National Public Radio, which was playing a BBC Special News Report for most of the morning.
 
 
grant
17:01 / 07.07.05
There may be some nations too fragile or fissiparous to withstand a serious act of violence. But that is not the case in the United Kingdom...



Damn.
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
17:04 / 07.07.05
Having just woken up on this side of the Atlantic, checking in to say - thank-you so much London Barbeloids for posting and keeping the updates going. Am feeling a terrible sense of impotence at not being able to do anything from over here (and only finding out about it 8 hours after the event).

Also terrible impotence at not being able to bop G Bush on the nose with a large brick and say "Shut the fuck up".

Inappropriate huggles to you all.
 
 
Hieronymus
17:08 / 07.07.05
Yeah, what the hell is that about? This morning I turned on those morning network news shows, and apart from a brief breaking news flash it was bullshit, I mean business, as usual. I turned it off and switched on National Public Radio, which was playing a BBC Special News Report for most of the morning.

yeah, it's slowly infuriating me. The biggest news items on the attasks for the last half hour have been: 'how is Wall Street being affected' and 'are Colorado's bus lines safe'.

It's about the Murkans. *shoots his television*
 
 
Psych Safeling
17:23 / 07.07.05
Anyone else get home and totally fucking lose it?
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
17:23 / 07.07.05
I think this number is already up but just to be on the safe side the casualty line for Scotland Yard is 0870 1566 344. Obviously only call with very good reason.
 
  

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