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Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:38 / 26.01.07
The double mod thing was introduced to stop ppl from a) baleeting entire posts and thus gutting the thread; b) having been heartily pwned, going back and altering their posts to imply that their interlocutors had done sexings with them, this being heelarious and not in any sense made of fail. I know it's a bit irksome, but then so are disjointed threads with half the posts missing.
 
 
matthew.
23:43 / 26.01.07
baleeting

Is that intentional? I hope not, 'cause that's the funniest typo I've ever seen. Well done.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
23:46 / 26.01.07
Baleeted!
 
 
Dead Megatron
16:04 / 29.01.07
No new episodes of "The Adventures of Little People in, what?, over two weeks now? Someone should put the Fool in chains and not let him out until he finishes the damn thing...

I'd do it myself, if it wasn't for the little detail of an ocean between us.
 
 
COG
12:11 / 30.01.07
The fact that, the newest threads in Convo, for example, are on page 1, but the newest posts in one of those threads is on page 97. When I click on a thread it's far more likely that I want to see what's new, and not start a massive revision of the topic from the beginning.
 
 
Triplets
12:24 / 30.01.07
Yeah, it's a bit of a pain. I've often found I want to be taken straight to the end of a thread. On the other hand it is only a click to get there.

I think going to the first page encourages a) having a clear idea of what the thread is about / how it started b) cutting the tendency for people to reply with "well, I haven't read the thread but" bollocks.
 
 
COG
13:21 / 30.01.07
All very true, but I will only be reading an entire thread once, and will be returning for subsequent updates many times. Time is money. 1 click x many threads = a nice cup of tea that I could have had.
 
 
Char Aina
13:52 / 30.01.07
tell you what.
i'll click and you make the tea.
deal?
 
 
Ganesh
14:07 / 30.01.07
Could people post only non-crap to discussions? My crap-reading time is money, y'know.
 
 
Char Aina
14:09 / 30.01.07
whatever, work boy.
 
 
Triplets
20:29 / 31.01.07
From today: Haven't been around for a bit. I tend to read the first four of five messages then reply.

That's pretty much the reason right there, c.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:39 / 31.01.07
I never pay any attention to anything anyone has ever written. The best method is not to read, and only to reply to imagined posts. That way lies great controversy and therefore more discussion. I do the board a favour I do.
 
 
Princess
21:57 / 31.01.07
Most of the time I don't even bother opening the threads. I just lend out my laptop and suit to white supremascists and see what keerraaaayzy opinions they make.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:05 / 31.01.07
I think we definately need more facists on the board. Nothing stimulates healthy debate like a facist, eh? Plus I'm bored and I want people to fight for my amusement.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:51 / 31.01.07
Mordant- come to Digital Spy! Having a great time arguing with BNP apologists/sockpuppets.

Reminds me why I like this place so much, really.
 
 
*
04:11 / 01.02.07
DEDI,

FFS, SBSaSH. Plz ALaHB. OK?

Yrs,
me
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
05:25 / 01.02.07
That dude's still here?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
06:47 / 01.02.07
I'm mildly irritated (perhaps this is ungracious) that those two fellows who joined to talk about their Grant Morrison book seem reluctant to discuss Grant Morrison's work ~ after I'd put in a few thousand words of engagement ~ beyond telling the board which folk at DC return their calls, where the book's available and how great it is. Any discussion about GM's oeuvre on that thread is mainly between people who didn't join to promote a book ~ while the two members in question seem to be restricting their debate to "that's your opinion, so... great! The final version of our book will be available in a couple months and may answer all your questions!"
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:30 / 01.02.07
It was the three exclamation marks that worried me.
 
 
Ticker
17:42 / 01.02.07
yeah you know why I'm pissed. It's not at anyone mind you it just annoys the fuck out of me that a topic I'd really like to discuss with people here on the board rarely gets brought up and now that someone seems willing to unpack a bit other posters are circling for the dogpile...and not because of the content of the post but because of the poster.

Maybe there are reasons, maybe there are histories, but
SWEET BABY GRIEVIOUS other people are trying to use the topics too!!!!

We need some sort of Thunderdome thread so people don't fuck up other topics just to pick a fight.

I'm very much not happy right now.
 
 
Feverfew
17:48 / 01.02.07
I take it this isn't quite what you're looking for?
 
 
electric monk
19:07 / 01.02.07
Some history if you're interested, XK.
 
 
Ganesh
19:15 / 01.02.07
Ideally the aggro should be taken to Policy, to avoid too much thread derailment.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:17 / 01.02.07
Actually, XK, I was kind of annoyed that you resurrected the thread to ask about a Gathering topic - if anyone was going to a fetish fair. The case of DEDI's contribution is complicated by a number of issues, of which his previous is one.

I would suggest leaving DEDI's contribution where it stands, pending examination in the Temple, and perhaps moving from the concrete example of a particular gathering to the idea of collectivity or otherwise in social and personal BDSM. Or, actually, one could go back to thinking about language sets, which I thought had potential.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:26 / 01.02.07
Incidentally, a) please don't use the word "dogpile" - it rarely helps one to maintain respect for one's peers if one is imagining them as an animalistic pack, and b) please don't assume that the issue for everyone who responded was the person rather than the content of the post. My issue was and remains the content of the post. In fact, the content of the post has been referenced by everyone except for Mordant Carnival, and I think it might be a tactical error to think fo her as the bad guy here. See (a), really.
 
 
Ticker
20:01 / 01.02.07
I shall PM you Haus rather than get thread rotty
 
 
Ticker
20:09 / 01.02.07
though really I think we're looking at different aspects of the exchange.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
15:37 / 06.02.07
We'd better all stop discussing Grant Morrison, because we're embarrassing the grown-ups who are above such things.


I'll tell you, this is the nightmare scenario that keeps me up all night, staring at the ceiling and muttering furiously to myself:

An Interweb person happens upon "Barbelith." "Hmm," they say, "interesting. Never heard that word before."

Said person opens up the Conversation forum, reads a few threads. "My goodness," Person says, "what an interesting blend of levity and serious discussion."

Then said person opens up the Policy forum, and reads a few threads. "Land sakes," Person says, "they certainly take this forum seriously."

Then said person opens up the Head Shop forum, and reads a few threads. "Heavens to Betsy," Person says, "there is certainly a lot of in-depth discussion in this group."

Then said person opens up the Laboratory forum, and reads a few threads. "Less active than the others," Person says, "but certainly an interesting focus on the ethics and future of science."

Then said person opens up the Switchboard forum, and reads a few threads. "Suffering succotash," Person says, "what a remarkable amount of political opinion being bandied about."

Then said person opens up the Temple forum, and reads a few threads. "Great Zeus," Person says, "some interesting thinking from the cusp of spiritual expresson."

Then said person opens up the Art, Fashion and Design forum, and reads a few threads. "I say," Person says, "some examination of contemporary art and fashion."

Then said person opens up the Books, Criticism and Writing forum, and reads a few threads. "Tally ho," Person says, "a broad spectrum of analysis of literature ranging from contemporary to classic."

Then said person opens up the Comic Books forum. "HORRORS!" Person exclaims, hurling themselves back from the monitor, spilling their Guru energy drink. "MULTIPLE THREADS focusing on ONE TALENTED AUTHOR!" And Person promptly smashes their computer monitor with their bare hands, dragging live wires out of the smoking husk with bleeding fingers, jamming the sizzling wires into their eyes in a form of impromptu shock therapy, trying to blind themselves and electrify their brain so that they will NEVER RISK HAVING TO GAZE UPON SUCH AN APPALLING SIGHT AGAIN.

I mean, Jesus. What a nightmare.
 
 
Chiropteran
16:11 / 06.02.07
Yeah, I hate when that happens.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:26 / 06.02.07
MattShepherd, I hope you've sent a PM to Boboss to thank him for starting this thread waybackwhen, so you don't have to maintain that tiring pretence of being a reasonable person all the hours of the day. For Gaius's sake, no moderator has made any attempt to squash the enjoyment of those taking part, making the observation that talking about whether this place still has a connection to the work of Morrison seems to encourage people to start talking about Morrison is not being snide or malicious, merely a statement of fact.

I do think the 'thread-per-story-arc' is unnecessarily generous and I think will hinder meaningful discussion. In what thread will you discuss the development of the character of Lord Fanny through volume 2 for example?

Also, the many original threads when the comic was still going didn't make it to the current iteration of Barbelith, so if newer readers want to do it all again I don't mind too much.

Still, past experience has shown us that Barbelith Reading Groups peter out in the same way discussions often do, so I suspect that in a week or so the whole notion will be forgotten about.
 
 
illmatic
16:46 / 06.02.07
MULTIPLE THREADS focusing on ONE TALENTED AUTHOR!

But it isn't simply that is it, Matt? There are numerous members of the board who read The Invisibles when it first came out, and were hugely impressed. I was one of them. The discussion and annotation began then and has not really stopped since - indeed, it is the original reason for this boards existence. The comic has such an indelible assoication with the board that there is a fairly serious discussion in Policy about changing the board's name to avoid solely been seen as an Invislbes fan list, and to attract a different type of poster, however many bloody years after it stopped publishing. This might explain the distinct lack of enthusiasm some people are expressing for the umpteenth version of the re-reading project.

I would happily ditch the board's associations with Grant Morrision and all his works in a heartbeat if I could.
 
 
Spaniel
17:25 / 06.02.07
Matt, it seems to me that you're responding primarily to my post.

To be clear, I'm certainly not trying to lord it over the other denizens of Comics. When I said that I don't have time for the new Invisi-project I meant just that. There was no half-hidden exasperation and no sneer intended. As for the rest of my objections, I think they're reasonable and uncontroversial, and at no point was I trying to bring anybody down.

That said, I can see how, whether I intended it or not, that post, added to Mordant's and some others (mainly by long-term posters) over the past few days, could be read as the anti-fun, and for that I apologise. It's shit when you're enjoying yourself and others turn up and moan.

We all us no like the haterz.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
17:36 / 06.02.07
D'you think a mug of sweet tea might be in order?
 
 
Spaniel
17:56 / 06.02.07
Not for me.

Never for me!
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
17:58 / 06.02.07
Sweet tea would be lovely. I was trying to be sarcastically amusing above, but I think I just came off pissier than intended.

I wasn't responding really to your post, Boboss, but just this general prevailing attitude that (a) Barbelith* is inextricably linked to Grant Morrison in the minds of every human on the planet, and (b) that this is something that is somehow bad and needs to be outgrown.

In terms of volume, there may be more posts about Big Brother than the Invisibles on the site-as-it-is, but nobody's fretting about the umpteenth regurgitation of yet another season of housemates. Nobody's saying "Oh my God, they're talking about Big Brother again, people will totally think Barbelith** is a Big Brother fansite."

Hell, I'm not even interested in the current Invisibles thread, but I find the assumption that a few threads on the topic colours the perception external viewers have of the board is a bit silly.

What is this prospective audience that might be turned off by the Barbelith/Morrison connection? It's the subset of the English-reading Internet-browsing population that has (a) read the Invisibles, (b) remembers what Barbelith*** was, (c) visits Barbelith.com, (d) browses down to the ninth (out of fourteen) forum on the list, (e) opens the forum, (f) recognizes that many of the threads discuss Morrison, and (g) doesn't like that. Outside of the board, this probably constitutes about eight people.

I've invited tons of friends to check out Barbelith**** and none of them have ever, ever thought of it as a "Grant Morrison fanlisting." And I'd like to think I have reasonably bright friends.

And all this energy spent fretting about our Morrisonosity could be spent recruiting, promoting, and bolstering Barbelith***** as the dynamic and fascinating place it is.


I'm making a hash out of Barbannoy and this really should be in the Policy thread on names. I just wanted to vent in Barbannoy to keep from rotting Policy too much, but now we're back to more appropriate Policy talk, I think.

*a nonsense word that non-comics readers will not recognize.
**some random syllables unknown to the world at large.
***a string of random characters generated by a Commodore 64.
****the given name of the pig in the Owl and the Pussycat.
*****something that people will have to be told is associated with an out-of-print comic by some Scottish dude vociferously and repeatedly before they make the connection.
 
  

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